• Neuromancer@lemm.ee
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    People use the word war crime incorrectly so often it has no meaning.

    Read the article, there was no war crime. They missed their target and this family was hit.

    People have lost how shitty war is for everyone. War is awful.

    People also need to learn the rules of war and stop saying everything is a war crime.

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        Can you cite which one you think is a violation?

        Also cite the corresponding rule you think was violated ?

        Civilians getting killed is not an automatic violation of any rules.

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          Can’t speak for him, but off the top of my head…

          Article 49 of the 4th Geneva convention accords:

          49: Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as
          deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the
          territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country,
          occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.

          Nevertheless, the Occupying Power may undertake total or
          partial evacuation of a given area if the security of the population or
          imperative military reasons so demand. Such evacuations may not
          involve the displacement of protected persons outside the bounds of
          the occupied territory except when for material reasons it is
          impossible to avoid such displacement. Persons thus evacuated shall
          be transferred back to their homes as soon as hostilities in the area
          in question have ceased.

          The Occupying Power undertaking such transfers or evacuations
          shall ensure, to the greatest practicable extent, that proper
          accommodation is provided to receive the protected persons, that
          the removals are effected in satisfactory conditions of hygiene,
          health, safety and nutrition, and that members of the same family
          are not separated.

          The Protecting Power shall be informed of any transfers and
          evacuations as soon as they have taken place.
          The Occupying Power shall not detain protected persons in an
          area particularly exposed to the dangers of war unless the security
          of the population or imperative military reasons so demand.
          The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its
          own civilian population into the territory it occupies.

          I don’t hate Israel, in fact I think it is in America’s best interest to protect our spy network assets. Though, I will not stand for people making misleading statements about war crimes. We can do better.

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            I don’t see how 49 has anything to do with air strikes.

            49 is about moving people from an occupied area.

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              I don’t see how 49 has anything to do with air strikes.

              It has to do with an active warzone or areas hitherto, which Israel just declared.

              Keep in mind, I am not even looking at their past, I am looking at the here and now and seeing what they are doing,

              49 is about moving people from an occupied area.

              Which Hamas currently… occupies… the southern part of Israel.

              Unless Israel is just fighting civilians, then we have a whole other set of war crimes.

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            1 year ago

            Are you going for points by adding nothing to the discussion ? Do you think you added any value by trying to throw out a worthless quip?

            In what way is there a war crime? In the article they clearly show there wasn’t a war crime.

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            1 year ago

            Correct.

            They are also threatening to execute hostages which is also a violation.

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      Israel isn’t exactly operating with improvised explosives. Israel is one of the most well-funded militaries in the region and has enough Western guided munitions to fend off all their neighbours.

      Either Western munitions are absolute garbage or Israel is going “oopsie doopsie I totally didn’t see those civilians!”

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        Western munitions are great but not perfect.

        Israel even designed special weapons just for the occupied lands.

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        It isn’t.

        I think people should take some courses on war crimes. I have.

        Accidentally hitting the wrong building is not a war crime. Even if that building is marked with a Red Cross.

        People need to realize war is shit. It’s not a video game. People die, buildings get destroyed, and crying war crime is stupid.

        We should try to avoid wars whenever it’s possible.

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            The conversation was around the Israelis. I am aware Hamas has committed war crimes. In the article I didn’t see where Israel committed a war crime.

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              My original comment never explicitly called out Israel nor Hamas, and for good reason. You’re the one that claimed, and I quote, “read the article, there was no war crime”. The line I quoted was pulled directly from the article.

              I’m sure now you will be correcting your original claim, right?

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                AH you’re being pedantic to be pedantic. We were talking about Israel and you wanted to pretend we were talking about Hamas.

                No, I will not be adjusting anything as we were clearly talking about Israel.

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                  No, YOU were talking about Israel. My comment was “clearly” as general as I could make it. You replied to MY original comment, the onus is on you to understand the subject of my comment.

                  Instead of being intellectually honest about your mixup, you’re re-defining the goal posts. You challenged me to find a single part in the article that would classify as a war crime and to also provide the exact war crime committed. I did exactly that, as requested.

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                    So you don’t think the r bombing of the building was a war come? You think it’s was fine?

                    I do but let’s see if you’re consistent or just being pedantic like I think

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          If you are naive enough to think that a bombing a “jam-packed refugee camp” was an honest mistake, then I have a bridge to sell you, going very very cheap.

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            That is an easy way to say you never served in the military.

            While movies show the military as a well-oiled machine flawless in execution, in the real world, it is functional chaos.

            Mistakes happen.

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              Blowing up buildings and jam-packed refugee camps, knowing fully well that it’ll create mass civilian casualties is a war crime. And I’d rather take the word of experts rather than a nobody over this.

              Quoting from the article itself

              But human rights groups have previously said that Israel’s pattern of deadly attacks on residential homes display a disregard for the lives of Palestinian civilians and argued they may amount to war crimes.

              The article quotes a previous article Human Rights Watch: Israeli war crimes apparent in Gaza war

              Human Rights Watch on Tuesday accused the Israeli military of carrying out attacks that “apparently amount to war crimes” during an 11-day war in May against the Hamas militant group.

              The international human rights organization issued its conclusions after investigating three Israeli airstrikes that it said killed 62 Palestinian civilians. It said “there were no evident military targets in the vicinity” of the attacks.

              So yeah, brush it off as “Mistakes happen” somewhere else

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                That isn’t a war crime.

                Israel notified the area that war was starting, they told all civilians to flee. They use decision motions and notify the targets they will be hit.

                Israel is going out of their way to avoid civilian loses and exceeds the standards of war.

                Hamas is hiding in civilian areas which increases the chance of the civilian loses.

                Israel isn’t at fault here. They’re trying to destroy legit military targets.