There are good things to experience, yes. If you’re already alive, then by all means, seek to find happiness and enjoyment. Don’t force someone else into that endless struggle. You can make no guarantees that their life won’t be one of pure suffering, and that’s not a risk I’m willing to take.
And again, we are destroying this planet - not just for us, but for all life on it. We are the problem.
I agree with the other commenter recommending therapy. When you don’t see it as “life is pain and the future is hopeless”, you might sound less like a scifi villain calling for human extinction.
“Existence is suffering” is a foundational tenet for many worldviews and religions, not just antinatalism. Existence is literally the first cause to all suffering - no existence, no suffering.
Acknowledging that doesn’t make me depressed or pessimistic, it’s just acceptance how things are.
You’re free to live in whatever fantasy you want, though. That’s your right.
Also, responding to differing worldviews with “get help” is generally bad form
Your worldview is literally calling for the extinction of all humans. You need to come back to reality and stop convincing yourself that this is normal or healthy.
Just know that you don’t have to feel this way. Depression is a sickness that convinces you “that’s just the way it is”. It’s a chemical disfunction of the brain. It can be treated most of the time. It’s a hard path, starting with finding the right therapist, but it’s worth a try. Talking as someone who’s life was saved by therapy.
If you knew and understood what actually goes on in this world, you would be “depressed” regardless of the chemicals in your brain working or not. All the happy pills in the world, and trust me from experience, all the best drugs in the world, would not get rid of genocide, fascism, or a world built upon capitalism, that at its very core is based upon exploitation, subjugation, and oppression of half of the world, and the mass destruction of most of the Earth’s species and the planet itself to fuel the greed and sole benefit of the worlds greatest sociopaths, wherein you happen to be one of the few lucky ones who can live in a tiny bubble where you are completely unaware of the extent of mass suffering and death that is occurring in the neighborhoods you don’t go to and the countries that are too far away for you to care about. If you read through the publicly available documents of what the CIA in the US did in the 20th century alone, you would not think coming to the conclusion that humans as a species are irredeemable could only be the result of a disfunctioning brain. I’m not even an antinatalist, I’m just autistic and study a lot of history.
It’s a gamble. Literally gambling with human lives.
If one never exists, they face neither pleasure nor pain. If one is forced to exist - remember, this is never consensual - then one may experience pleasure and pain, and simply hope that pleasure is more bountiful. Hopes, dreams, goals, ideas that may or may not be met. All of it essentially left to chance. Will their life be pleasurable? Possibly. Will life be painful? Certainly. Suffering is guaranteed. Pleasure is not. Are we to keep forcing others to play, simply in the hope that things work out well for them?
You call it pessimism, I call it realism.
There are good things to experience, yes. If you’re already alive, then by all means, seek to find happiness and enjoyment. Don’t force someone else into that endless struggle. You can make no guarantees that their life won’t be one of pure suffering, and that’s not a risk I’m willing to take.
And again, we are destroying this planet - not just for us, but for all life on it. We are the problem.
Says every person with depression ever.
I agree with the other commenter recommending therapy. When you don’t see it as “life is pain and the future is hopeless”, you might sound less like a scifi villain calling for human extinction.
“Existence is suffering” is a foundational tenet for many worldviews and religions, not just antinatalism. Existence is literally the first cause to all suffering - no existence, no suffering.
Acknowledging that doesn’t make me depressed or pessimistic, it’s just acceptance how things are.
You’re free to live in whatever fantasy you want, though. That’s your right.
Also, responding to differing worldviews with “get help” is generally bad form
Your worldview is literally calling for the extinction of all humans. You need to come back to reality and stop convincing yourself that this is normal or healthy.
Yes, it is. And I’m just fine, I prefer not to live in idealistic delusion
Maybe educate yourself on the actual philosophy
Ah, yes the classic “everyone else who doesn’t subscribe is deluded” echochamber red flag.
“Voluntary Extinction” is right up there with “flat earthers” and “anti-vax” as the dumbest pseudo-intellectual things I’ve read on the internet.
Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.
Enjoy your dreamland, and have a nice day
Just know that you don’t have to feel this way. Depression is a sickness that convinces you “that’s just the way it is”. It’s a chemical disfunction of the brain. It can be treated most of the time. It’s a hard path, starting with finding the right therapist, but it’s worth a try. Talking as someone who’s life was saved by therapy.
If you knew and understood what actually goes on in this world, you would be “depressed” regardless of the chemicals in your brain working or not. All the happy pills in the world, and trust me from experience, all the best drugs in the world, would not get rid of genocide, fascism, or a world built upon capitalism, that at its very core is based upon exploitation, subjugation, and oppression of half of the world, and the mass destruction of most of the Earth’s species and the planet itself to fuel the greed and sole benefit of the worlds greatest sociopaths, wherein you happen to be one of the few lucky ones who can live in a tiny bubble where you are completely unaware of the extent of mass suffering and death that is occurring in the neighborhoods you don’t go to and the countries that are too far away for you to care about. If you read through the publicly available documents of what the CIA in the US did in the 20th century alone, you would not think coming to the conclusion that humans as a species are irredeemable could only be the result of a disfunctioning brain. I’m not even an antinatalist, I’m just autistic and study a lot of history.
The fact that you’re equating antinatalism to depression tells me you really don’t understand what you’re talking about.
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Without any sort of guarantee.
It’s a gamble. Literally gambling with human lives.
If one never exists, they face neither pleasure nor pain. If one is forced to exist - remember, this is never consensual - then one may experience pleasure and pain, and simply hope that pleasure is more bountiful. Hopes, dreams, goals, ideas that may or may not be met. All of it essentially left to chance. Will their life be pleasurable? Possibly. Will life be painful? Certainly. Suffering is guaranteed. Pleasure is not. Are we to keep forcing others to play, simply in the hope that things work out well for them?
No. I don’t gamble with lives. Nor should anyone.
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