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Content warning: Please don't use Lemmy :( Human rights, oppression

I’m a bit confused with my options here. I am looking at Reddit alternatives and see a lot of people flocking to lemmy but it seemed like kbin was the more centrist option?

Apparently lemmy was set up by a tankie and has some CCP propaganda and other problematic background?

https://mstdn.social/@feditips/106835057054633379

I have accounts with both and definitely seems like kbin is struggling compared to lemmy but that could just be because lemmy is better established? What are people’s thoughts?

  • Alkalyon@lemmy.ml
    16·
    2 years ago

    Apparently they had a falling out or something because there a similar post by the tankie including screenshots and proof that the dude that posted the above is lying.

    I don’t wanna start my experience by listening to someone else to be honest so I will decide for myself what is better for me.

    And up until now lemmy has had a better experience for me than kbin social. Additionally I think kbin isn’t open to signups anymore from what people are saying.

    I have been using lemmy for more than a week now and have also talked with the dev/admin both regarding communities and on GitHub for a pull request I did. The experience was good and for now I will be staying here.

    I also don’t like the look of kbin and the ux for now.

    I have an account in mastodon, kbin, tildes, raddle and lemmy and out of all, lemmy seemed to work the best for me, for now.

    • notmyredditusername@lemmy.mlOP
      10·
      2 years ago

      Yep definitely agree lemmy is the better experience. Kbin doesn’t even have an app on Android. The nice thing is I can use either I guess, that’s the benefit of the fediverse.

      I guess I will just watch this space and see how things go

    • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works
      5·
      2 years ago

      I love this comment because I didn’t make an account on mastodon, kbin, tildes, or raddle. But I blindly assumed Lemmy was the way and this dude is confirming that.

    • CheshireSnake@lemmy.one
      1·
      2 years ago

      I agree. It’s nice to get feedback but in the end your experience with something will probably be the major reason for your decision.

      With regards to the political stuff… idk. I understand where people are coming from, I really do, but my stay here hasn’t been tainted by political stuff from either side. I’ll try to judge them by their actions. They’ve been very objective as far as I can see so I have nothing against them.

      Lemmy works for me primarily because of Jerboa.

  • sunaurus@lemm.ee
    11·
    2 years ago

    Lemmy the software does not come with any propaganda. Some Lemmy instances or communities may be moderated in a specific way or endorse specific political views, but that’s up to each instance to decide for themselves.

  • Ulu-Mulu-no-die@lemmy.world
    7·
    2 years ago

    I’ll paste here what I wrote on reddit a few days ago about the same topic

    I think it’s important to distinguish Lemmy as a software from Lemmy as an implementation (servers).

    The software is opensource, noone “owns” that kind of software, many people contribute to it, anyone can fork it, modify it, and setup their own servers with it, regardless of the belief of the one who started the project.

    Now, telling people to avoid the “main server”/“grad whatever” is fine, because those are the servers in which those “political views” are expressed.

    But any instance of it? It doesn’t make sense, many new Lemmy servers are popping up because of redditors trying the platform, and surely people setting them up now have nothing to do with what the main devs believe.

    You can’t put everyone in the same basket, it would be like saying that anyone having an iPhone is in favor of child labor, or that anyone eating Nutella is in favor of destroying the Amazon forest, or whatever other example you can think of products we consume daily that are detrimental to the health of our planet.

    Heck even Reddit got investments from Tencent, a Chinese company, and we all know what the Chinese government thinks of human rights, yet we’re here using the product.

    Where to draw the line is of course a personal matter, but again, it doesn’t do any good to “categorize” everyone based on the views of a few.

    adding

    Not to mention that kbin and lemmy are federated, they “talk” to each other, so if your only reason to choose kbin over lemmy is to avoid lemmy communities, you’re out of luck, you’ll see them all on kbin too.

    • notmyredditusername@lemmy.mlOP
      1·
      2 years ago

      Thanks this does make sense obviously and you seem to know what your talking about so I’ll ask this:

      Am I right that searching for a kbin community/magazine on Lemmy, or vice versa, will only pull in new posts on that community as well?

      For example I just searched for the home assistant community on kbin and found nothing local, so it pulled up the lemmy home assistant community, “great!” I thought, but when I go to look at the posts it shows a number of posts,but not the actual posts, instead directing me to go to the original source to view old posts. In that instance then I am taken directly to lemmy from kbin and can’t post using my kbin account. This seems like a bit of a limitation of the federated community if you want to take part in historical/existing threads on another server.

      • myk@beehaw.orgEnglish
        3·
        2 years ago

        The kbin server is massively overloaded right now so things like federation of messages are badly impacted. But once that is over you should see the the same content in a group no matter where you follow it from.

      • Ulu-Mulu-no-die@lemmy.world
        1·
        2 years ago

        On top of every community being massively overloaded right now as myk said, kbin had to set up an attack protection, temporarily, because the servers couldn’t hold the load.

        It’s probably not a real attack, just immense load, but in any case, all that seriously disrupts the communication between the 2 platforms.

        Nothing is working as intended right now, we have to wait a few weeks probably, until the reddit influx slows down and things go back to normal, before we can truly see how the federation is supposed to work.

  • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works
    52·
    2 years ago

    Lemmy is better. It’s open source and the tankies can’t control us. If they wanna fuck around they’ll just get blocked. Lemmygrad.ml is the only instance that’s problematic and they’re already blocked by almost everyone else.

  • Buntywalla@fedia.io
    1·
    2 years ago

    Lemmy is a software. I am sure there are nasty lemmy instances, but that does not reflect badly on the code of Lemmy, even if those instances are run by some of the lemmy devs.
    Go to/Start a a different lemmy instance, block the tankie instances and don’t donate to the tankies, Problem solved.