Objective: Secure & private password management, prevent anyone from stealing your passwords.

Option 1: Store Keepass PW file in personal cloud service like OneDrive/GoogleDrive/etc , download file, use KeepassXC to Open

Option 2: Use ProtonPass or similar solution like Bitwarden

Option 3: Host a solution like Vaultwarden

Which would do you choose? Are there more options ? Assume strong masterpassword and strong technical skills

  • @[email protected]
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    8 months ago

    Keepass on phone, desktop and tablet. Sync serverless via Syncthing.

    • completely private
    • always available when needed
    • no dependency on services which may go away
    • all open source software
    • maximum security
    • Ark-5
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      58 months ago

      Yup. Same system here. I really like it.

    • Jvrava9
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      38 months ago

      Same here. Home server to which desktop and phone connect with OpenVPN.

      • Rootiest
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        28 months ago

        Check out tailscale (or headscale)

        It lets you connect those devices without necessarily sending all data through your home network when you are remote. (Though that is an option along with many other great features like ssh authentication)

        It also uses WireGuard for the backend which is more secure and efficient than openvpn.

    • ferret
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      58 months ago

      Your vault is always encrypted very securly except when in RAM. There is no security concern with uploading it directly to the cloud.

      • @[email protected]
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        18 months ago

        It’s encrypted at rest with a passphrase. Syncthing encrypts it at transit with a random key.

        There is a huge difference on the security of those.

        • @[email protected]
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          Keepass allows you to use a passphrase in combination with a randomly generated keyfile. You only need to copy the keyfiles to your devices once (not via cloud services, obviously). Your actual database can then be synchronized via any cloud provider of your choice (hell, you could even upload it publicly for everyone to see) and it would still be secure.

  • @[email protected]
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    208 months ago

    Keepass fIle in my own nextcloud instances, synced to my phone so I can also use keepass2android. This way if something happens I at least have another copy of it, beyond my backup system.

    • @[email protected]
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      68 months ago

      that’s actually exactly how I have my setup. I just use syncthing to keep everything dynamically backed up as I add passwords. my main login password is memorized and not written down anywhere so I think I’m good

    • @[email protected]
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      28 months ago

      I do the same, but synced to Dropbox from computers and phone.

      I have the Proton password manager as well but not sure yet if I’ll do a full swap over.

  • @[email protected]
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    138 months ago

    I’ve used Option 1 with my Nextcloud and it works perfectly. Other options seem more apropriate when you need scale, many user each with their own vault.

    • @[email protected]OP
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      48 months ago

      Stupid me, didnt even remember using nextcloud instead of commercial clouds. I like it

  • Jelloeater
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    128 months ago

    Option 1, KeePassXC plus SyncThing, done. Works amazing on all my devices.

    • @[email protected]
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      38 months ago

      I’ve never heard of Syncthing, I use Keepass on Windows and my Android, syncing to Dropbox. If I change to Syncthing is it an easy swap, anything I should watch out for?

  • 👁️👄👁️
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    128 months ago

    I used to self host Bitwarden, but didn’t want the hassle of securing it and updating it properly and consistently. So I just pay $10 for bitwarden premium and I get to support the company.

  • James Kirk
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    108 months ago

    Option 2. It’s the most robust. You’ll never lose it (provided you have the redundancy), you can use it offline, you can transfer it using a USB pen, it’s available in all platforms, including web. I’ve been using this for 8+ years, on my phone, desktop, laptop, company computer, etc. I store it on a personal cloud (and on each machine, of course, by syncing).

  • ⓝⓞ🅞🅝🅔
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    I use and prefer option one, but take it a step further in that I host my own cloud service. I used to use Dropbox for years, but we got divorced.

  • @[email protected]
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    88 months ago

    Vaultwarden. And take regular back ups. I don’t trust my passwords to be safe anywhere other than my own servers. The chances of my server being hacked is very less.