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- cross-posted to:
- linux@programming.dev
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/62192988
The latest changes implemented in the Systemd repo, related to or prompted by age-verification laws, have made many people unhappy (I suppose links about this aren’t necessary). This has led to a surge in Systemd forks during the last days (“surge” because there have always been plenty of forks). Here are some forks that explicitly mention those changes as their reason for forking (rough time ordering taken from the fork page):
paramazo/systemd “The systemd System and Service Manager without age verification”
ganitam/systemd “Systemd fork just before the Age Verification addition. Hoping more capable developers and maintainers do same…”
GSYT-Productions/systemd-fork “The systemd System and Service Manager, without the stupid Age Verification”
speedythesnail/unre tarded-systemd “The systemd System and Service Manager, without the r e t arded age-verification commits”
ta13579/systemd “The systemd System and Service Manager WITHOUT THE FUCKING AGE CHECKS”
r4shsec/systemd-no-age-verification “This is systemd but without the age verification made via pull request https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40978”
Pingasmaster/fightthesystemd “Systemd without the nonsense: no age verification, no lighthouse built-in.”
Jeffrey-Sardina/system “Liberated systemd – no surveillance. Ever.”
HaplessIdiot/systemd-saneagecheck “The systemd System and Service Manager with age verification bypass and polling rate options for said feature”
Queer-Coded-LGBTQ/systemd-fuck-california “The systemd System and Service Manager, but without age bs added in.”
Codiak540/unshitted-systemd “A fork of systemd aiming to strip the Age verification. Sue me california.”
Hopefully the energy of this reaction won’t be scattered among too many alternatives, although some amount of scattering is always good.
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The reaction by definition is unproductive. I think Brodie Robertson did a good job covering this the other day.
It’s literally an addition of an optional text field in a collection of already optional and often unfilled text fields. In a small part of the systemD suite. UserD, with no checking or enforcement. Which has value in business and corporate environments. In the form of a pull request from an external, unaffiliated coder.
Regardless of where you stand on metas push for age-gating everything so they don’t have to. Which if you aren’t against it, you’re a fool. This is all way more reactionary and less substantive than the valid sysV vs systemD debate.
I wonder how many people freaking out over this field have even looked at what other fields are on that user record. The
realNamefield could be used to dox you! ICE and the CIA are interested in yourlocation! Those fields have about the same level of enforcement as the new one, i.e. you can just lie.While we’re at it, we could add a race and sexual orientation field, this could have value for business in some countries!
A JewONo field might be useful in some counties too
Value for business ≠ Mandated by law
Hopefully the energy of this reaction won’t be scattered among too many alternatives, although some amount of scattering is always good.
It’s traditional:
I’ve seen less complex taxonomic trees!
Wait wait wait, your telling me that systems has a user thing to log user data?
Where does systemd start and end? As it looks to be way too invasive
Debian systems have optionally collected this kind of data way before systemd existed via
adduser.
Womp Womp.
What did they expect would happen?
I can only hope this ends up with the original simply being left to rot.
Did you read the freaking merge https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954
Nope. No one did. It’s all drama farming and ignorant apoplectic panic. I’d absolutely be interested to know more about the person behind the merge request. Apparently they have submitted similar code to several other projects for the same purpose. But it’s just fashionable to hate on systemD right now. At least the sysV vs systemD guys have valid issues. Even though as a 30-year Linux user, I wouldn’t go back to sysV inits. I do not miss having to use poorly documented or outright undocumented tricks, tips, and arcana to write basic process watchdogs and initialization scripts.
It’s hard enough for maintainers and devs to fight ai and governments. If you wanna go against someone go against corpos and government not people doing their hobbies.
When has Foss been sued by governments? I can think of only a few examples, when the software was used to mix crypto.
I don’t see age verification being used to shut down Debian. They would just move to another country
Yes, time and effort would be infinitely better spent yelling at the local and national governments pushing for this to be implemented at the behest of meta. Than outrage of an optional text field.
