I have seen that the lemmy.ml mods will openly ban discussion about the CCP. I am wondering if the sh.itjust.works team allows criticism of government bodies, while still banning racism.
Any government or governing body should be open to criticism. They are suppose to be working for the people they serve. How is anyone going to know better if no one tells them what they are doing wrong? @[email protected] you have my support
👆my dude this is yet another reason why I like it here
The dude abides.
Right on! So I have a question, if I posted something that got me banned from lemmy.ml (such as an article criticizing the CCP for example) I would just not have access to the communities on that instance right? Like it won’t affect my experience in other instances right?
That’s correct.
Interesting to know, thanks!
Yeah, it’s not about levying criticism. It’s about having an outsized agenda, arguing in bad faith, spamming the critiques where they don’t below, trying to co-op a shared space to create an echo chamber, etc…
Let’s find out: The CCP is committing genocide against the Uighur people
If I get banned, it wasn’t worth being here in the first place.
Agreed.
totally agree, the ccp are evil
Adding the people of occupied Tibet to this.
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*Occupied Tibet
Mao Zedong was a little piss baby who hid in the mountains while the KMT fought the Japanese.
The KMT was also bad and also definitely killed innocent people, in China and in Taiwan, see for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_28_incident
The KMT were brutal fascists and the communist parties around the world sacrificed more than canadians during world war 2 wtf is wrong with you… revisionist history to own who? If the kmt were powerful they wouldnt have gotten insta bozo’d by the CCP. Modern china is nothing to defend but youre weird, posting pro fash propaganda
I hope so, although it’s not something I personally care too much about.
You’ve been banned from /c/memes 😎
LMAO sexy communist Winnie the pooh was not on my itinerary today. And no I’m not aroused I’m just interested in the content.
Sexy?
Surely I’m not the only one wondering what kinda unit he’s packing down there. My man looks awfully proud
Find Jesus 🙏 😦
Hey man don’t infringe on my ability to be degenerate in one instance and self-righteous in the next. Besides everyone has wondered about Winnie the pooh’s genitals at some point. Right guys? Right?
nice bomb ass dank ass snoking pfp
Chronner brothers dot com
I mean he’s not wearing any trousers, unless he has some kind of prehensile penis that he can retract at will? Like a foot long yellow elephants trunk snuffling around for honey.
unless he has some kind of prehensile penis that he can retract at will? Like a foot long yellow elephants trunk snuffling around for honey.
And now I’ve found my new kink.
Check out ducks
Then I think you’re going to love John Dillermand.
And you can watch them all here (in Danish, but I don’t think that matters in this case).
Is there any other kind of communist Winnie the Pooh?
I don’t think there is, now that you mention it.
What have you brought upon this thread…
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wait, what?? you just typed that or was your comment removed???
farnsworth voice Oh my!
There’s some talk about “a rise in anti-China posts that have hit Reddit lately” in https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/users/07-history-of-lemmy.html, which struck me as odd.
Criticism of any governments should be allowed, especially authoritarian ones.
Yeah. This is kinda gaslighting:
We’ve also seen a rise in anti-China posts that have hit Reddit lately, and along with that comes anti-chinese racism,
No. Anti-china posts are not racist. We all hate Hitler Germany. Does that mean we are racist against Germans?
This sentence is fundamentaly flawed and shouldn’t exist in the documentation.
To push back on this a little: there’s definitely historical precedent for anti-regime sentiment bleeding over into anti-populace sentiment. To use your example of WWII, a lot of the anti-Japan sentiment bled over to anti-Japanese sentiment in the US in the form of internment camps.
Of course this was in the 1940s and I like to think that we’ve become a little bit less racist now. But I’ve noticed a lot more racist “jokes” on Reddit as anti-China sentiment has risen. Don’t get me wrong, we should still criticize China for its many human rights abuses and imperialistic practices as well as their violations of personal freedoms in their citizens etc. etc. but we should also be aware that these criticisms will be used by racists to justify their views and their actions, and call it out when it starts becoming more about the people than the government.
I think it’s because people nowadays are brought up to to ***follow ***what they read.
There is so much importance of memorising facts one is informed like a computer, then alongside this, are informed by media and abrihamic based religions repeatedly, that life is binary good and bad.
And as such, when an average reader attempts to criticise China, or Israel, UK or US present governmental practices for instance, they struggle to not generalise and lump government, people, race, and more all into one.
To educate massess of people into being able to criticise policy is a surefire way to get the masses to be critical of the practices of a present government, and get you out of power.
Binary identity politics however, will keep you there, in power, forever.
It’s an absolute gaslight. He doesn’t mention that the subs closed down supported authoritarian regimes and were a safe space for violence and extremism where members regularly advocated for it.
But yeah it’s typical authoritarian/fascist gaslighting.
Anti-China posts can be racist. If someone is yelling about the Chinese government oppressing people, great.
But it sure does seem like people are out there fomenting FUD about China as China, not really in reference to particular policies or practices that need to change.
For example, in The New York Times’s coverage of that time the US decided to try and ban people anywhere selling good GPUs and semiconductor stuff to people in China, it’s all about “how effective will this be at preventing China from having things” and “how much will this cost Americans”. Not “is this the right thing to do to best stop people in China from being oppressed” or “why should the US be in charge of who can make microchips”.
You could say “we think China’s government is going to use GPUs to abuse human rights” or “we think if China ever develops a halfway decent semiconductor industry they will immediately invade Taiwan”, but often that kind of context seems to have been deemed irrelevant. People are just taking it as read that it is right and proper for the US to decide what industries Chinese people may or may not do, and how good at them they are allowed to be.
And I don’t think they’d do that in the absence of racism.
It’s from the people developing Lemmy the software, not the creators of independent instances like this one or lemmy.world and many others. I think there’s not much to worry about since the software is open source and if they start to “leak” their ideologies/politics into the software (no idea how 😆), people will fork it quickly.
However I worry that this is so off-putting to some people that they stop doing anything to help Lemmy grow when they learn about the developers’ politics. A good example is Lemmur, an Android app for Lemmy, whose author stopped further development on it, due to “lack of interest and political differences”, which is sad.
https://sh.itjust.works/c/fucktheccp hasn’t been banned yet, so I guess yes.
Also lemmygrad is blocked here. As a person born in eastern block, fuck communism and tankies.
just came over here after poking around some of the other instances and the quality increase from not having tankies brigading shit is truly amazing
What do you think of this video on Eastern Europe from my favourite Hungarian YouTuber?
We’ll it’s all true but there are some smaller differences, I live in ex Yugoslav country which was in eastern block but more liberal than Soviet puppet states.
Most people aren’t racist or xenophobic (except Balkan rule: hate thy neighbor). We are just an extremely introverted and paranoid society, that’s why many empires fell around our people. We never had any colonies because our people were used as labour for other empires, so we never developed a superiority complex to other races.
We’re just anarchy that’s preserved through community.
We’re just anarchy that’s preserved through community.
I like that.
That’s interesting. Thank you for sharing your perspective. As a paranoid and anxious person I can empathize with a whole society with this issues.
Yeah old eastern block ex-pat here too. Lived through two communist regimes (Ukraine via the USSR and Poland). Don’t want to go for a third.
I am staunchly Socialist though.
Never actually met an immigrant who actually stays here in Eastern Europe but yeah communist shouldn’t come back. But I don’t want capitalism either, this shits wack for our people and workers. Guess there isn’t a place to create new economic structures that could surpass both of them.
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I mean they are commiting a genocide so that’s probably not great.
Yo, fuck the CCP!!! If sh.itjust.works doesn’t like it I’m out
#fucktheccp
Ooof the admins are weighing in on that linked thread at lemmy.ml and it’s not a good look if you are in favor of human rights
Which admins? Lemmy.ml ones?
Huh?
The great thing about Lemmy is that it’s all decentralized. Lemmy.ml mods and admins can’t do anything about other instances
Technically correct, much like you can’t do anything about what your neighbour does in their own home.
However, what sh.itjust.works and lemmy.ml can do is block ‘bad server’ communication.
They can also enforce rules on their own ‘home’ as it were.
Like Beehaw? Well, it mostly inconveniences their own users…
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The Lemmy devs cannot unfed a server. They can only block it from the lemmy.ml instance
Would users in the unfederated instance still be able to access other content and instances in the fediverse?
If a server becomes blocked by some other server(s), then neither can communicate or access the resources of the other, but they can still access resources from the other parts of the fediverse. If a server is unfederated from every other, then they operate as their own separate little island by themselves.
Users from the banned instance would not see the communities or content from the instance that blocked them. (As I understand this all thing ^^)
what if they browse All at another instance. That instance could have pulled lemmy.ml data.
This is why I didn’t make an account on lemmy.ml. I check to make sure instances I join have banned lemmygrad.
How do you check this? And is it banned via the instance “sh.itjust.works” for example, or is it banned via the “subreddit” equivalent, for want of the accurate name?
Scroll to the bottom of the page and click ‘instances’
Wow, there are so many instances. One day there’ll need to be some method of recording various biases within it.
I’m glad that’s not my responsibility!Some of those are Mastodon instances where someone has subscribed to a community on your server
I understand some of those words. But together, that means little.
If only I could figure out how dinasaurs were related to this…
If I make an American instance would that help? I mean anyone can make an instance.
Most reddit shit ever
Yeah, I guess a mass platform migration does mean bringing a lot of the culture, for better and worse.
You joined Lemmy 5 days ago…
DAE care about marginalized groups?
don’t say the R word. let us not speak of R which is in the past
Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad.ml are the two only instances where I encountered such criticism, so I assume that sh.itjust.works would allow it
yes, just post your anti-ccp shit here dude it’s free dude dude free it’s free dude
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very success sir!!
hope your legacy remains https://sh.itjust.works/post/39653
also you’re a mod now
omg fuck those ppl omg dude wow dude rude to kill, so disrespectful
kent state shootings are from 1970, idk who was in charge back then but it wasn’t trumpbiden sad sad who do we say fuck to idk im not american
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ah ic, watergate seems unlinked to case, but i see the timeline matches, ty ty
Hate to see tankies running the software and big parts of the platform.
I wouldn’t even say “big parts of the platform”. Beehaw, Lemmy.world, sh.itjust.works have large enough userbases now to counterbalance Lemmy.ml
The biggest communities are still local to lemmy.ml though (for now)
2nd and 3rd from the top 3 are on Beehaw: https://lemmy.directory/communities/listing_type/All/page/1
Still 7 of top 10 are lemmy.ml… but yeah, glad to see beehaw growing! When I tried to sign up there it never worked :<
I think beehaw is getting absolutely hammered rn, I feel kind of bad for their operators. It was one of the two instances recommended when I started considering moving to lemmy.
Fortunately that’s where federation helps. I just hope they will add option for user (and not only admins) to block whole instances.
