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Four years after the Raspberry Pi 4 shipped, today the Raspberry Pi 5 is launching with a much improved SoC leading to significant performance gains.
The Raspberry Pi 5 is designed to deliver a 2~3x performance improvement over the Raspberry Pi 4. The Raspberry Pi 5 features a quad-core Cortex-A76 processor that clocks up to 2.4GHz, compared to the four Cortex-A72 cores found in the Raspberry Pi 4 that only clocked up to 1.8GHz. The graphics are also much-improved with now having an 800MHz VideoCore VII graphics processor over the VideoCore VI graphics with the Raspberry Pi 4. The Raspberry Pi 5 is capable of driving two 4K @ 60Hz displays and features 4K @ 60 HEVC decode hardware capabilities.
Also interesting with the Raspberry Pi 5 is that it features in-house silicon in the form of the RP1 “southbridge” used for much of the board’s I/O capabilities. This southbridge should yield faster USB I/O along with other I/O bandwidth upgrades like a doubling of the peak SD card performance. The Raspberry Pi 5 also features a single-lane PCI Express 2.0 interface for improved connectivity.
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Wow the foundation really hates the idea of putting reliable dependable storage on their device.
Like would it kill you to have an M2 slot?
Honestly, given the improvement of every other capability in the boards over the years, it’s really mad we don’t have an m.2 slot as an option. Even if they ended up having to create a slightly more expensive SKU (which they seem to have no issues with given the memory options for the Pi4), I don’t think anyone would complain
Edit: apparently there’s gonna be an M.2 HAT, so that’s something at least, would prefer an option to have it on the board and the GPIO header available for something else
The single least reliable part of a raspberry pi is the storage. Always has been.
I don’t even need more professor performance, because the storage performance is the worst part.
The professor really is what sets this device apart from competition
The professor…
Are we talking Gilligan’s Island or Futurama?
Not sure, but i couldn’t help myself :D
Professor Calculus from Tintin
Professor Calculus from Tintin
Talk about setting the Wayback Machine on high…
Likely an issue with the pci express lane not being able to handle nvme and everything else.
I thought that might be the case too, but the launch page has a line that suggests an M.2 HAT will use the new PCI-E interface, so it does make you wonder why they couldn’t include the connector on the board. Might just be me, but I feel like people have been asking for this since they gave up asking for a SATA connector
Probably form factor reasons. The RPi5 doesn’t break the form the RPi3(?) set.
Looking at photos of the Pi5 board, the PCIe pins are a separate ribbon connector. I am guessing the M2 hat will just use the GPIO pins for power and hardware detection, and pass the others through.
I agree it would be have been useful to have an M2 slot (or maybe eMMC connector) integrated indirectly to the board. Other similar SBCs have done so. Perhaps the Pi designers were concerned about board space or thermal considerations. I imagine they want to keep the form factor as similar as possible each version, so they maybe can’t make drastic changes to the board layout.
An M.2 makes it really difficult for a kid to pop the card out, plug it into a computer and flash it.
I think RPI Foundation is still holding onto its education-targeted roots.I think the compute models are more targeted at the industrial/commercial side of requirements.
And any homelab enthusiast would probably be better buying a cheap used/refurbished thin-clientYes, I think the Foundation still favours SD cards because they are cheap and easy to use. Which suits the Pi’s original base of education, hobbyists etc.
Of course that doesn’t stop the market seeing things differently and dropping Pis straight in to production use cases instead of moving up to the Compute modules.
I think the SD card problems are a little exaggerated too. They may not be the fastest but they are reliable enough if reputable brands are used.
I had three cards from Kingston and SanDisk fail on me quite regularly while using the Pi.
M.2 / external storage is definitely the way to go
Well, personally I could do without and if it reduces costs I’m for it. Raspberry pi was always about being cheap.
Yeah, this should be higher up. Pi’s have usually been around the $35-40 mark, and this one is going to be $100. My B, B+ came as a kit with power supply, SD card, and a cheapo case for $45. Now you can’t even get just the 3B+ for less than $50. My Pi’s are doing boring, simple work like running my 3D printer, running PiHole and a VPN, or being a print server. None need $100 computers to do the job. I guess as long as earlier Pi versions are still available, NBD.
$100 is starting to price out of the cheap educational/hobbyist/experimenter range and send people looking elsewhere.
That’s Compute Module carrier board territory.
The official Compute Module carrier board has a 1xPCIe slot for an NVMe or SATA adapter, and there are 3rd party carrier boards with a M.2 slot on them.
You can boot over Usb now, but yeah would be nice to have m.2
They said they will probably add a M.2 hat.
Voltage is potentially a concern. Can you run the Pi and a M.2 drive on 5V 3A?
Yes. See orange pi 5. The pi 5 comes w 5amp power supply now.
Yep! I run my pi off’a m.2 SSD, I love my case!
I think M.2 would require controller of sorts and would consume considerably more power. However nothing is stopping them from implementing flash chip. Even 8GB is more than enough for what device is normally used.
I think M.2 would require controller of sorts and would consume considerably more power.
Pretty sure electrically it’s just a Mini PCIe slot, which it already has a controller for.
Hm, in that case, M.2 slot would be a nice add, even thought it might be a challenging thing to squeeze in physically.
They’re gonna prioritise companies again and make it impossible for normal people to get it, right?
I think that the rpi4 came out before the supply chain issue caused by Covid.
Before that, it was easy to get a Rpi. It was an issue getting any kind of electronic parts for any kind of project. You had to secure your supply for your production first before starting a project. It was never seen before.
They admitted to supplying hundreds of thousands a month to bulk customers over the last 2 years while none made their way to consumer resellers.
Plenty made their way to consumers, they were just snapped up immediately
My issue with their distribution methods is that they prioritized business customers during that time. They still produced RPis, but preferentially sent them to companies who use them in their products. This is completely removed from their original mission.
That’s a fair point. I can see why they prioritized business customers, but their mission is aimed at education.
You’re wrong. They’re not GOING to. They already have and won’t stop. They’re copying Nvidia.
Build your business off the backs of consumers and good will until you don’t need them anymore. Then fuckem.
They’re doing a great at capitalism.
It’s not impossible to get it if you try.
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Yeah, it didn’t take me long to buy a Pi by just following that site for less than a week.
It’s quite odd that I keep getting downvoted and you keep getting up voted.
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Hmm, so the chip supply issue is sorted? When are we getting the original price back? Never that’s when.
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What annoys me about all these RPi articles is the praise for improved performance and all the projects you can do with it, etc. But you can’t find the damn thing to purchase. It’s always out of stock everywhere I look. So much so I have given up on it completely. There are other competitor products with lower price that are fully compatible or I’ll just end up using old phone.
They are way easier to find now than last year. Which ruined my little home project
jesus christ those Pi Zero prices.
This shit has gotten stupid.
Are you looking at the price in other currencies? Because all the US ones are $15
Pi Zero is supposed to be 5.
They are selling for what they are supposed to be sold for.
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Thank you very very much.
Wow, can’t wait to not be able to buy one!
*cries in third world country. Is it the same in North America (Canada and USA) and Europe?
Yes. (Sweden)
Almost the same fcomment I came here to make.
I cant wait to not be able to afford one.
I have just been buying small Linux computers on Amazon and hooking them up to Arduinos for all my projects. I probably won’t buy a raspberry pi again since it’s working so well
I got some old celeron N4100 4gb RAM/128gb NVME Thinkpad 11Es for $50ea with the power adapters. With as useful as they’ve been, I’m sold on doing something like that in the future.
There are many small DIY computers on the market now, not just Raspberry Pi.
Orange Pi, Banana Pi, Asus Tinkerboard, …
Those usually don’t have delivery issues.
The only problem is the shitty support they have. Just bought an orange pi zero 3 and can’t find any documentation for using the gpios
You can’t find a schematic for the pins?
Well, maybe if I was an experience coder capable of writing my own libraries that would help. Even still, this must be a new board, the documentation for it is abysmal. On the opi forums people are asking what gpio libraries work on this board, and the answer seems to be, well you will have to write you’re own for now, ok, but not all of us are at that level. I didn’t realize this was such a new board when I bought it, and support on the off brands is known to be much more sparse. I have just finished my second animatronic halloween decoration for my yard, and bought this because I can’t get any more rpi’s at the moment. With rpi, there is a great libraries to work with, and tons of good documentation on how to use them. It’s great to pump out cheap alternatives, but without software and documentation support, they aren’t really that useful.
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If for nothing else, probably to be able to control it or turn it on or off based on other conditions remotely. But you can do that with an esp8266 too.
Orange Pi delivery is only available via Ali Express or Amazon though.
Stock does seems low on Raspberrys, but I picked up a pi 4 last week without issue.
I haven’t followed Raspberry Pi for years - when did they go from $25-35 to $100+?
I bought a Pi 3 for $25 when it came out.
Sold it for $115 a few months ago.
Weird, I ordered a Pi 4B 4GB months back for 55bux or so. They’re still under 70 and available on Amazon lawl. Someone got ripped
Sounds like the other guy’s problem tbh
Full agree lawl
Got a $35 Pi 3B+ like 6 years ago or something, and sold it for $60 a couple of months back. Also had a Pi 4 (4 GB) that I also sold a couple of months back, and got $170 for it. The guy didn’t even haggle. People who want a Pi really want a Pi, lol.
Scalpers. They haven’t been available since pandemic, plus the Pi 4 was designed in 2019 so is pretty old technology at this point.
I’m hoping the Pi 5 is their big comeback: modern, twice as fast, improvements in cases and hats, etc
This is great news… for business customers, as they’re those are the only channels they’ll be available through.
Well, unless you don’t mind spending $200-$400 per unit to scalpers, who magically never seem to run out of stock.
This is great news… for business customers, as they’re those are the only channels they’ll be available through.
Could you elaborate, as I would imagine you’d be able to buy it from anywhere that wants to sell it, if not online?Edit: As I read further into this conversation a comment stood out for me that gave me understanding on what the original comment I was replying to might have been speaking about.
They’re gonna prioritise companies again and make it impossible for normal people to get it, right?
Ever since the pandemic they’ve diverted 99% of all available inventory to business only sales channels. They blamed the chip shortage, but it’s been several years now ongoing.
You can only find the lowest tier crap stock, old stock, or scalped stock, from retail sellers.
This is very well documented and even websites setup to check stock across multiple resellers in the hopes of finding that 1% of retail allocation.
They sold out the community that built them up in favor of a business to business sales model. Don’t let their PR team, or their fanboys, tell you otherwise.
That’s the problem. They’re always out of stock.
https://www.adafruit.com/search?q=raspberry pi 4
https://www.sparkfun.com/categories/233
You’d even be hard pressed to find one at a Micro Center or some other physical store.
I just managed to get one like a month ago. After watching all the retailers I could find for like 2 years. Eventually I found a site that aggregated them to make it easier but it was Still like 3 months before I caught someone with stock in time to buy it. Figures the next one would come out right after all that…
I can find a raspberry pi 4 set for like 80-90€, but it’s on AliExpress…
You sure it’s not a knock off being sold as the real thing? Or maybe it doesn’t matter if the hardware is the same.
I’m not sure, it’s AliExpress after all lol
I’m a little disappointed to not see AV1 decoding mentioned, since Broadcom has had one for years now.
Well they clearly don’t care about video transcoding since they removed h264.
REMOVED H264??!
well then
Jesus, I thought you were joking, but I looked it up and almost did a spit-take…
- https://www.yodeck.com/news/raspberry-pi-5/
- https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/#comment-1594037
Wat. Isn’t that a fairly big deal?
So you’re telling me Rpi’s can finally emulate N64 games at full speed.
Revolution.
No, Project Reality.
Obviously I got a RPi4 just a couple months ago, after struggling for 2-3 years… Well, crap.
EDIT: at least the prices didn’t seem to have increases significantly over the previous version.
I was going to say, will I ever be able to buy one?
I was able to buy 2 Pi4’s while trying to source 20.
They cost 2 and 5 times the expected price.
I ended up converting the project to use VIA industrial x86 boards instead. Reliable supply and reliable price.
Are you talking about RPi4 or RPi5? RP4 can be now found easily, at least in my region (Spain).
In the US they are still hard to get. When they are in stock they still sell out in a day
Pi 4b 4GB in stock on US Amazon for 66 right now.
They’ve been in stock a while. That’s barely above MSRP.
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There were a lot of supply chain issues in general that also affected the RP.
This is really a myth, they make a lot of pis every month and have done for a very long time. 99% of them go to industry instead of end users.
It was the same for any electronics during covid. If you didn’t have any volume buy, the manufacturers and suppliers didn’t give you the time of the day.
The supply chain is better now and there is some availability.
I know
I know you know. That’s why I wasn’t replying to you. 😅
LOL, sorry for my misreply 😜
Yes. Availability of RPi4 has been low to none over the past 2-3 years.
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I would love to upgrade my few 3b+ units, if you could actually buy this. It’ll likely be out of stock for eternity, just like the 4 was
not to judge, but buying 3 billion+ raspberry pis seems like a lot!
Yes, it is I, the CEO of Broadcom
In the Czech Republic it will be available on 27/10 and I already preordered 2 units with 100% guarantee of delivery next day of release through 3rd party reseller who has big reputation in our country considering Raspberry Pi stuff.
It’s 100$ for 8GB but you cannot buy it cheaper in our country and when I order it from official store I have to pay 21% tax + custom fee up to 15% + burocracy fee 5%, while filling dozens of forms and waiting endlessly for package to arrive and go through burocracy roller coaster. Fck that…
Where are you from and how much do you pay for it?
Ok, the amount of Pi’s 5 for guaranteed delivery next day is sold out, but I’m in (first batch gone in 6 hours). 🙆♂️ The other’s will receive Pi’s until Christmas. The mania has begun.
Edit: I’m not even sure what I’ll do with them I have zero (pi hole), zero 2w (ps4 jailbreak), 2gb 3b (with touch display and kali), 4gb 4b (6tb nas for movies and shows) so I need 8gb 5. 😅 Finding the use for it is the last problem. 😅
Dammit, is that why all the preorder resellers wouldn’t take my preorder!
You can buy a 4 today… they were out of stock for so long because of the pandemic
Can we get a usb-c port with data? And more power supply to the ports? I hate having to power hard disks with a separate cable.
This is painful. I have a powered hub. But I suspect they have to design to whatever they have researched as their primary market.
I really wish they would have stuck 32/64GB storage or something like that on it, so the OS could boot without external reliance. Give the Pi0 8GB and it would be perfect.
I boot my Pi4 and Pi3 from SSD and it’s great but it’s clunky with the SSD and adapter.
I’m seriously considering a N100/N305 mini pc instead of my Pi.
So for how much :-D
I’d take a cheap slow one any day…
A cheap slow AVAILABLE one.
Like seriously, I’ve had horrible success trying to source Pi3/4 in the past few years and due to their bad availability, they cost so much it often end up opting for something different.
Man I really want something in the full size form factor but with a CPU closer to a zero2, basically I want a pi3 modernised and cost optimised, not another more powerful pi.
Yeah I want a cheaper zero with less power use, very few of my projects come close to using all the zeros resources so if they could do similar spec cheaper and modernized it would be amazing.
Maybe chuck on an ADC, power management for batteries, better usb power supply…
Not bumping the PCIe lanes to 4-8 is disappointing. So is now requiring active cooling, not using USB-C for the USB3 ports, and PoE being unusable without a hat.
It’s probably time to add a higher end “pro” line to let the “education” line focus on power efficiency, tiny form factors, and low cost.
Also, did they fire the cop they hired?
You’re demanding a bunch more high performance connectivity - which means high performance silicon to run all those lanes - and complaining about the active cooling in the same post.
Did you read the second sentence? RPi needs to pick a lane, or have two targeted product lines.
For example, the MacBook Air is fanless with a lot more IO, and the Thinkpad X13s is also fanless with a lot more IO.
They are obviously not direct competitors, but they are examples of hi performance Arm silicon on the market.
The RPi is still kind of crappy, but it now requires active cooling. Crappy without a need for active cooling that’s more forgivable.
And for this reason the perscribed they split the product into two SKUs
The 4 already supposedly needed cooling
Just a decent heatsink
