Here’s the process as I understand it (please correct my errors):
- USA likes Israel, a lot for some reason
- “Israel” attacks Iran. This whole thing is being done with the USA’s airplanes though.
- Why does the USA love Israel so much?
- What’s the logic here? Not just the conspiracy. But why now? Why at all? Is Israel gaining something that I’m not seeing? Destabilization the main goal? What’s the USA gaining here?
because trump raped children
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If you want a very good in depth answer: https://youtu.be/7y_hbz6loEo
The gist of it is that the USA, KSA, and Israel all want Iran’s current government to be toppled as they are a direct military/economic/political threat.
What’s the logic here? Not just the conspiracy. But why now? Why at all? Is Israel gaining something that I’m not seeing? Destabilization the main goal? What’s the USA gaining here?
Israel is an ethnostate so they do ethnostate things, which means constantly attacking anyone they view as “not us”. Iran happens to be on the top of that list after Israel’s former enemies, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, and KSA were passified via the US or Britain.
The US and KSA also want to secure their oil regime, and now that Venezuela is dealt with, Iran is next.
Why does the USA love Israel so much?
They have a significant economic and military investment in Israel, and many of those Israeli billionaires are a part of AIPAC, which successfully lobbies the US to do what they want.
A bonus is Christian zionism which reinforces the idea that Israel must exist to cause the second coming of christ, or the messiah for the Jewish zionists.
Don’t forget when you have removed Republicans and an Alt right religious nutcase or the Button administration you get some very crazy people. Remember God is a good motivator for these people to rationalize raping children. They don’t care about God’s message their own delusion is fueling it. Similar to ISIS levels of crazies.
That “some reason” is their governments are the same entity. Israel is the USA and vice versa. This is essentially why Iran attacked USA military bases, not because the USA also attacked them. Both entities share the unashamed tendency to expand as an empire, against international law. Israel sees Iran as their only real menace close to them. Imagine China in Central America. Why now? That’s Trump and the Epstein case variable. What gains the USA? They are loosing all kinds of influence against China and Russia, they are trying to regain hegemony through oil and the dollar.
At the most basic level, the Trump admin likely has plans to make bank on it. Perhaps bribes or “deals” with oil companies, Israel, weapons manufacturers, etc.
Also, a part of the MAGA coalition consists of Zionists (the Evangelical Christians and Zionists Jews [both are death cults, IMO]), which makes it easier for Trump to do these things without too much opposition from MAGA. And, groups like AIPAC have been somewhat successful at tipping the scales of US elections against politicians that don’t support Israel.
how will the US support it’s many many gun factories and research if there is no war? Don’t forget a large part of american economy revolve around the war machine.
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Just look at how Germany was dawn into WWI (not II!). Austria started it, but Germany was closely allied to Austria and went all in without thinking. Just to get the complete blame at the end.
Germany was worried about a two front war, with Russia slowly getting ready to help Serbians on the east. They decided to try for a knock-out attack against France by going through Belgium. They made it shockingly close to Paris, before their efforts stalled.
To answer why, I have a theory. (I apologize beforehand for any ignorance, I only know a very minimal history of US - Iran)
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Government. The US has wanted to control Iran from a long time, and succeded once in 1953. When the revolution of 1979 happened, they lost their hold in Iran’s goverment. They have constantly been trying to topple Khamenei’s regime since then. Khamenei was getting old, and if he names a successor and they come to power, the current regime system will be cemented and more difficult to overthrow from outside. And I think the release of Epstein files has accelerated the whole process, since the connections between politicians/influential people of various countries and the US/Israel are getting revealed to the world.
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Oil. After the Russio-Ukraine war started, America has been trying to stop countries from buying Russian oil and make them buy crude oil from American companies. The US needs to get hold of two things now - Oil wells (Venezuela, Arabia, Iran, I think Palestine too, I’m not sure) and trade routes. Iran has control over the Strait of Hormuz , which transports about 1/4th of world crude oil trade.
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Dollar. Both Maduro and Khamenei were trying to change the currency of oil trade, that is the American dollar.(This goes back to some agreement made between USA and Saudi Arabia)
This is the answer.
This seems like a very logical and reasonable assessment, but I always wonder, somebody HAS to know this.
As in, the bomber pilots don’t know what their mission is really about, the generals just follow orders, but who decides on this?
Trump is too old/stupid to come up with such plans, so who is pulling the strings? His cabinet? The heads of the oil companies? How deep does this go? Also, it seems to permeate different administrations at this point.
I realise there’s probably no clear answer here, just wondering.
but who decides on this?
The US government? There is no one person behind this. This has been their foreign policy for decades. The US administration, as an imperialist entity, is acting like this.
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To distract from Epstein prosecutions. Also, war is a great cover for unpopular domestic policy.
Distract who?
Plus the most obvious…Cha-ching!
I imagine that there’s no real consensus response to what you’ve asked, given that the official reasons are pretty murky. My take, for what it’s worth at least:
Epstein was likely connected to Israel. From bits and pieces that’ve been reported about timelines and from the email archives, it seems like he sold information to both Israel and Russia – typically blackmail material for use as leverage against people in key positions in politics / business. Many of the later emails relating to Trump, appeared to talk about the dirt Epstein had on Trump, and efforts to potentially sell it to others.
This blackmail material, combined with the massive amount of money thrown at US gov candidates by things like AIPAC, results in ‘close ties’ between the US Govt and Israeli interests. Basically, to control Americas government, if you can ‘buy’ a majority of the candidates via PAC funding or blackmail material, you can control the overall tone and direction of America’s international politics.
In terms of ‘why now’ and what they gain…
So the Epstein files note above is just ‘another nail’ in the common american’s support for Israel – even before those links were made more apparent, public opinion had largely soured due to the brutal treatment of Palestinians. Israel as a state has been increasingly an apartheid regime – mostly in its alignment to far right fascist motifs involving xenophobia. The US right also aligns with this general sentiment – the people currently in the administration, for example, practically all cheer on figures like Jack Posobiec, who romanticizes figures such as Spain’s Franco, a fascist dictator who literally came to power with the backing of Hitler. They maintain this notion that ‘they’ are the sole custodians of civilization, so any atrocity they commit against ‘others’ is justified and right. So timing-wise, it’s definitely best to do this sort of thing with Trump’s administration in power – they’ll be gleeful willing accomplices, no need for much convincing.
Also entering in to the arena, would be the emergence of powers like China, and the perceived deterioration of the USA’s global influence. Israel as a state, exists because of the USA – Trump likes to say that about Canada, but Canada doesn’t really have a bunch of neighbours (other than the USA) that want Canada dead for having a history of “pre-emptive strikes” and so on. If the USA were to fall into significant decline, Israel’s existence would be in clear jeopardy. In order to survive, Israel likely needed to trigger a conflict before America’s hegemony deteriorated too far – to survive without a ‘singular’ military hegemony’s backing, Israel needs to have the entire power dynamic of the middle east destroyed and remade with them as the defacto/unchallenged ‘power’ of the region.
Add in to the mix the Tech bro oligarchs, who all want their own baronies – or ‘free cities’ as they like to call them. These folks actively bank roll efforts to destabilize states. Their reasons seem to vary a tiny bit, but the end result/drive is the same: they want to have the ability to control cities/people, without worrying about government controls/oversight/regulations, because “they know best”. So they’re completely in alignment with the other areas in which we’re seeing dramatic increases in authoritarian traits. So there’s practically unlimited money available for any sort of atrocity that can benefit the richest 0.1% at the expense of everyone else.
Most of what’s above speaks to the conditions that set the stage for the event.
As for the very specific timing, it’s still highly likely that Trump is just trying to mute the Epstein stuff. What he gains is less coverage of Epstein. He is America’s dictator, so what benefits him, benefits America. That simple.
It’s called an ally.
Please look up the definition of ally.
Jfc… Smh
How does that answer any of OP’s questions though? You haven’t answered either.
Do You Prefer Strategic Ally?
I think you’re just dumb or playing dumb. Either way, lol.
OP posed two main questions:
- why did Israel become an ally of USA
- why did Israel attack Iran right now
Saying that Israel is an ally answers neither. That’s information OP already came in knowing. Are you playing dumb?
So this is one where actually it really makes no sense for the US to attack Iran - this comes down to a bad president making impulsive decisions. It certainly benefits Israel. Trump seems to think he is untouchable after attacking Iran last year and kidnapping Venezuela’s president. This war seems to be him shooting from the hip and not being restrained by those around him from making very bad decisions.
From a US strategic point of view, it can’t achieve regime change in Iran by bombing the country (it’d need troops on the ground) and it has low supplies of air defence munitions thanks to selling stocks to Ukraine and also using up some supplies in it’s 2 day war against Iran in 2025. Going to war now is foolhardy - Iran just needs to prolong this war beyond a few weeks and the US will be in trouble. It will need to pivot to a defensive posture to protect its allies in the region as defenses run out, which will be tough and cost US servicemen and women’s lives. It will also cost a fortune to prosecute this war without any real benefit.
US allies in the middle east have been drawn into a conflict they certainly didn’t want, global trade will be disrupted by closing the Strait of Hormuz (a very major shipping route), oil prices will spike and could stay high if oil infrastructure is damaged in the war, air traffic will remain disrupted and the gulf states economic hub plans (building up Dubai as an Economic centre etc) will be damaged. It’s possible this could even tilt the global economy to recession, or even precipitate an earlier end to the AI stock-market bubble.
This war is looking like a major strategic blunder by the US; more stupid than the Vietnam war (which was at least thought-out by strategists). Its likely the Pentagon was against this war, but sadly Trump and his clown-car cabinet are pulling the shots. It’s a war that’s goals cannot be achieved, yet will costly the longer it runs.
You’d be amazed at what a cabal of pedophiles will do to protect their secrets.
The word is horrified, but yes.
Israel allows the U.S. to maintain a foothold in the Middle East and have an influence in the region (which is plentiful in natural resources like oil), that’s the gist of it. The U.S. also has a large Jewish community that is generally pro-Israel (not all of them, but many are. In recent events, many Jewish groups in America are now condemning Israel for their war in Gaza, starving the population, all that heinous stuff)
Iran’s government has made it clear that they don’t like Israel’s existence (due to their displacement of Palestinians, various war crimes, that sort. They also don’t like that they are so heavily American influenced). They don’t like the U.S. either, as they believe that they are an imperialist power that wants to take advantage of the Middle East. That is one reason that the United States deems Iran an enemy. Note that Iran’s government’s viewpoint is not necessarily the same as those of the Iranian people. Additionally, the state of Iran funds many proxy terrorist groups across the Middle East, all of which do terrible terrorist things, which the U.S. doesn’t like at all (especially when they do terrorist things against American citizens living in the Middle East).
Israel and Iran’s rivalry (and you can include the Saudi Arabia, UAE in this too) is mostly down to wanting to be top dog in the Middle East, having the most influence and power, and it doesn’t help that they have very different beliefs (not just religion, different styles of government, different policies, that sort)
TLDR:
U.S. supports Israel for Middle East influence
U.S. don’t like that Iran’s government is anti-America and anti-Israel, and they don’t like that they support terrorist groups either
Israel competes with Iran for power in the Middle East, and have very different beliefs
Please note that I am not trying to incite a political debate. America and Israel has done bad stuff (war crimes, imperialism, etc), Iran has done bad stuff (terrorist proxies, political repression, etc), both are bad in my book.
They don’t like the U.S. either, as they believe that they are an imperialist power that wants to take advantage of the Middle East. That is one reason that the United States deems Iran an enemy.
In 1953, the CIA and MI6 effectively ended representative democracy in Iran when they backed a coup d’etat that deposed Iranian prime minister Mohammed Mosadegh. Mosadegh had tried to audit the books of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (which later became a division of BP).
The 1953 coup resulted in the Shah of Iran, Reza Pahlavi, ruling autocratically and with heavy support from the United States. This status continued until 1979, when an Islamist revolution deposed the Shah and installed the Islamist government led by a clerical Supreme Leader that exists today.
In 2013, the CIA released declassified documents that showed that the CIA planned and carried out the 1953 coup using all kinds of abhorrent tactics, including bribery of public officials, astroturfed paid protesters, and false flag operations.
So hopefully that explains why the US is “the great Satan” to Iran, and why Iran keeps spouting “death to USA” rhetoric.
Yes, I do know of the coup against the democratically elected Mosaddegh in favour of the autocratic Shah. Wow, the U.S. removing democratically elected leaders in foreign countries in favour of autocratic ones that support American business interests? I wonder how often that happened! (a lot, that is)
yup, anyone who seriously questions why so much of the world hates the US has nwver opened a history book. there are many many reasons, damn near all of them generally coming back to a sovereign nation trying to check the US’s extractive, unsustainable, capitalist-colonialism
Iran also hates the US for past CIA fuckery that got them to their current policy nonsense
Them, and about 100+ other countries.
This is way bigger than just Israel, most of the Gulf Arab states hate Iran and would love to see its government fall. They’ve been funnelling literally billions of dollars to the Trump family since just before he took office again. The Qataris, Emiratis, Bahrainis, and Saudis are all openly bribing Trump, and this attack is almost certainly at least partially, if not mostly, driven by their talks with Trump behind the scenes.
So why was NOW the time? What’s the USA really gaining here with these strikes?
Israel has some real, incontrovertible dirt on Trump that they are holding over him
He’s also desperate to have the US at war so he can suspend elections, because he knows that he will be hurt by the midterms
He’s also pathetically insecure, and history has traditionally looked back fondly at wartime leaders like Churchill and the like. He’s hoping for that
And the worst motivation, but one that I sincerely believe is accurate, is that he wants to use nuclear weapons. He wants to be remembered as a president who pushed the button. He’s a child, and he wants to play with all the toys
I hope he dies before he can do more harm
He’s also pathetically insecure, and history has traditionally looked back fondly at wartime leaders like Churchill and the like. He’s hoping for that
A key thing to note is that it’s normally defensive leaders that are looked back on fondly. Attacking another nation usually doesn’t give this boost, or at least not as significantly. Frequently it’s negative in fact.
He’s too stupid to understand this though, if this is his reason. I don’t think it is though. At best, it’s a distraction. At worst, and more likely, it’s an excuse to implement policies that expand his powers, and maybe to prevent elections from taking place.
I.have no.idea what they’d know.that isn’t public already. In the past I’d say the Epstein connection but that’s all public. What the fuck could be in the files we don’t know about?
Only half of the files have been released.
Not even half.
And text only thus far. The Epstein files aren’t emails, they are TERABYTES of CSAM and worse videos and pictures.
Murder, rape, pedophilia directly linked to government.
Distraction from the Epstein files, amongst other things. I straight up call this the Epstein war.
To bring detail to this, the Republican Party has been wanting this for a long time. Some want the oil control, some have fanatical religious beliefs (encouraged by the greedy oil-wanting ones) that want to see Israel win because it brings about the “end of days” and they will be “raptured” into heaven (body and all) while the rest of us foolish non-believers perish in hell.
Trump and Co. are using this desire of theirs to make them happy with him, distracting from the disgusting crimes that are coming to light about him. They won’t remove him and his criminal cabal from power if he keeps them happy by giving them the things they’ve always wanted, so they get to keep living and be in power as long as those freaks are happy.
As ridiculous this sounds, there are many many people in power who would oppose removing Trump, and have the ability to crush any dissent that would do so outside of the process of law, which they currently control through state violence. So, it’s not so easy as “fuck you guys, you’re insane, we’re not listening to you anymore, he’s gone” since they hold all the cards and that leads to a much bigger conflict for control of the most powerful nation on earth.
Ironically, the current state of Iran is a good analogue for what happens when a sudden power vacuum appears, and we don’t want to be ruled by a Christian cabal any more than we want what we currently have.
As much as we deserve it after all this, I sure hope we don’t find out; if only for my own sake.
As well as calling Iran attempted to influence elections while Trump tries to get national emergency powers enacted so he can cancel elections.
In the past, there have been moves against Iran (sanctions and the sort that are worsening their already mismanaged economy) but the recent strikes have been down mostly because Iran doesn’t really have any allies that are able to support them should they get attacked. Russia has their invasion of Ukraine that they are grinding soldiers in, and the Assads have been overthrown in Syria. Their bad bad economy also means they have lots of domestic issues too, making them super vulnerable.
and many of the naughty Iranian proxies have also been weakened through a hellfire of Israeli and American bombing, like the Houthis in Yemen, Hamas in Gaza, and Hezbollah in Lebanon.
Russia is impotent to act. Iran had recent protests indicating that the regime is weak. China has not done anything preemptive and can’t do anything now because it’s too late.
Best case protests reignites and replaces the regime with something less US hostile. Worst case denies China cheap oil and Russia some war materials for a while.
China? Why would China give a fuck about Iran?
It’s 2026, not 1980.
They don’t really care about Iran other than that they are useful for annoying the US and they have oil they are forced to sell at a discount due to western sanctions.
all these other comments are giving far too much credit to those in-power in the US right.
the only thing that matters to republicans, all establishment US politicians really (and especially any taking $ from AIPAC), is that their lines go up. once capitalism reaches a certain point, the best way to make your line go up is to just start breaking shit.
this the republicans role within the larger US economic/political cycle. they act to actively try to crash the US economy every time they’re in power, as they’re abject disaster capitalists…smart people have to hedge when instability threatens their bottom lines, disaster capitalists run around throwing rocks at windows. those that can’t keep up and go out of business are just bought up as distressed assets by those that have been around the block a few times.
everything these sociopathic cunts do is ultimately used as a way to extract liquidity out of the US’s stock/futures/bond markets (purposefully unregulated, relative to most other markets around the world)…every…single…time.
trump is ultimately just an incredibly easy tool for the real powers that control the US to enact their disaster capitalism as they see fit
follow the money, it is the only thing actually sacred to capitalists (extra so for american capitalists)
Distraction. Americans have a long history of supporting any asshole as President the second they declare war. As long as the war is “over there” and with other’s kids.
The Epstein files are the reason
If you look at news from the past few months you see Iranians were in famine and drought and political violence leading to many protestor deaths in Tehran and the Iranian leadership moving out of the capital. Now was the perfect time to strike.
That’s happened a few times before hasn’t it?
Depends on who you ask. I think topically it feels like it’s an Epstein files distraction. There’s also the whole issue with them enriching uranium for nuclear weapons. It doesn’t help that Israel leadership has been crying wolf about “Iran will have nukes in the next 3 years” since the 90s.
It’s likely they are working to get nuclear weapons, and given that they fund all this terrorist stuff, it can’t be ignored. They’ve already been caught enriching uranium to levels beyond what’s needed for any peaceful application.
Note that America’s support for Israel has exist since pretty much when it was founded after the end of WWII by Britain, this certainly isn’t a new thing. As for the dislike of Iran, that has been a thing for ages too (see the coup against the democratically elected leader when they were against American business interests, Iranian revolution that propped up the new government and had Americans living in the embassy taken hostage by protesters)
You forgot the nuance of Iran being backed by China and Russia.
For your information, in a later comment I did note that the weakening of Russia due to their invasion of Ukraine is playing a part in making Iran more vulnerable. In terms of their ties with China, that is correct, their relations are an additional reason why the U.S. doesn’t like them very much. It doesn’t look like China would support them in a conflict though, at least not with troops on the ground.
Trump is torn between the neoconservatives like Rubio, formally bolton etc, and Israel that want regime change and his own unwillingness to go full troops on the ground. The neocons successfully get trump to blow up Obama era deals designed to keep the peace by catering to Trump’s ego telling him he can get a better deal than Obama, in reality they don’t want a deal and want to escalate but this is the best they can get.
So trump goes to the negotiating table only to find out that Obama’s deal is the best he can get. Frustrated and unwilling to admit Obama was just as good a negotiator as him he begins to blame the leaders for their intransigence. The longer this goes on the dumber he looks for blowing up the original deal and not being able to get a new one, all the while Iran is enriching more uranium to try and push the US to accept the old deal.
Then Venezuela happens and he comes up with a new plan, if you can’t change the deal you can at least change the negotiating team. He can take out the leader, use them as a scapegoat for the long stalled negotiations, sign the same deal and call it a win. Maduro repeatedly said he was willing to play ball with Trump but it would be on similar grounds to the Obama era deal but trump couldn’t go back to the US and say he re-imoosed all these sanctions for nothing, so he took out Maduro, got a reason to declare victory and went home.
My guess is he’s trying to do the same here, say all the issues with negotiations were because of the Ayatollah, sign a new version of the same deal with Trump branding like the USMCA , declare victory and head home.
Is Israel gaining something that I’m not seeing? Destabilization the main goal?
Yes, Israel doesn’t want regime change because they know hatred for Israel is so broad that it will survive a regime change, especially one triggered by a war of aggression started by them. They want to turn Iran into the next Syria and get them to turn all of their ire inwards instead of at them.
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Republicans since the 60s have only ever had two ideas: invade countries and lower taxes on the rich.
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Trump is surrounded by republicans and is a 90 yr old narcissist. He either has dementia or doesn’t give a fuck what happens
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he has reached new levels of unpopularity due to his status as an epstein style sex predator of kids, his killing of americans in an attempt to punish ‘santuary cities’ by violating the constitution using ICE as a political tool, as well as tariff bullshit.
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trump when in a pinch tries to do a new “newsworthy event” to reset the news cycles. Often it will be some advisor of his that has the idea. Its clear that being surrounded by republicans “invade iran” is probably a regular mantra.
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he needed a new diversion and “invade iran” was one of the few ideas left.
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