[…] I asked the man behind the counter if the Steak Nuggets were such a hasty retreat because they were unpopular with his diners. He said the following: “Well, we were one of the last stores to have those things, because nobody bought ’em.”
Just (finally) got a digital pressure cooker.
Bro, Pulled pork BBQ just whenever the fuck I want it for $10.
This slop? This ass food? Nah. It ain’t even meat. Fuck that. Make a roast, do a brisket, you can do it!
I swear this push for protein (and they seem to specifically fixate on animal-based) is like they’re trying to do a speedrun climate collapse.
… and public health catastrophe of cardiopulmonary disease & colorectal cancer
https://youtube.com/watch?v=485Em2JF34M
(Sleeper – healthy food & smoking. A classic)
RFK Jr-approved!
It’s trying to handle ozempic diets.
People on ozempic have much lower appetites than normal and it is affecting their protein intake. Meal items like this are meant to appeal to those looking for a quick protein bump.
Back in my day you just blended powder into a smoothie, but apparently that’s too much work.
I for one would much rather eat actual food than a protein shake. I get so sick of those things even when I vary how I make them.
An actual complete, balanced meal? Yes. But a cup of “protein”? Might as well just go for the shake.
Nah, I’d take nuggets or beef jerky or a can of tuna over a protein shake any time. The only time protein powder is tolerable is when it’s mixed with oatmeal which defeats the purpose of just trying to bump your protein intake.
Well, then you are the target audience for the fast food industry’s latest innovation.
Beans are a better protein source because you get fiber too and fiber is really the thing people lack in their diet. Also, no living creature is harmed in the process.
Except the beans but they’re bastards anyway.
Not even sure why but this cracked me up. Appreciate the laugh man.
Just neglect to adequately soak the beans; you will understand.
Can we talk about insoluble fiber for a second?
A discount grocery store near me had 3 for $1 turnip greens. I ate then all over two days along with some homemade chicken stock I needed to use. What came out of me the next day was some kind of lovecraftian sleep paralysis demon. But holy shit have I been feeling great ever since! I sleep easier and longer, more energy throughout the day without a mainline of caffeine, and I think I’ve actually lost some weight dispite not actively trying to!
Y’all mfers need
Jesusfiber!I’ve honestly wanted to do a cleanse maybe this will be the trick. Plus I’ve always wanted to meet my lovecraftian demons, so added bonus!
Homie, I cannot describe how happier I’ve been since then! I mean, I know gut micro biota contribute to mental wellness. But the difference is fucking stark for me!
Also I am not a doctor or professional! Do not think this is some sorta miracle cure! It just happened this way for me, ymmv.
Right right of course. I’ve just been making steady improvements to my diet and had t found a lot in terms of fiber. Just something to try. Appreciate it!
Beans are great, but you need to eat 7 cups of beans, ~1.75 Litres of beans to get 100g of protein.
Even if you’re vegetarian there are better sources of protein then that.
Noone is saying get all your protein from beans. Maybe 25 grams from beans is doable, then have some yogurt, some whole wheat pasta/bread stuff, a few eggs. Variety in your diet and whole foods are more important than hitting specific macros as you get a good range of micronutrients, fibre and your gut microbiome is happier.
Lol I know, but they were essentially making the point that beans are just an overall better protein source.
Now, don’t get me wrong, beans are a great and nutritious food, and a good source of protein, but if you’re analyzing them just as a protein source, then they’re just objectively not as good as most meats, or like you pointed out, eggs.
I do agree that you should want to eat a healthy and balanced diet with a large variety, but at the end of the day macros do still matter, especially if you need to gain or maintain muscle mass. That can be because you’re an athlete, or because you’re over /under weight, or because you’re elderly and need to prevent muscle mass loss to maintain the rest of your health, or if it’s because your sick or recovering from an injury. In all those situations, where macros do actually matter, then it’s perfectly possible to gain muscle while eating vegetarian or vegan, but just normal beans are not the protein source to do it. You’re either going to want to eat quite a decent number of eggs on the reg, or supplement with a concentrate like whey or pea protein powder.
My point is just that beans are not an equivalent protein source to meat, and there’s no point pretending like they are. No one is going to fall for it and suddenly convert. You’ll have more success convincing people to go meat free by actually giving them viable alternatives, not gas lighting them.
I understand, but my problem is with influencers pushing only (animal) protein without considering other dietary factors important to health.
For protein sources, a quick look online says seitan, quinoa and nuts (for vegans) and eggwhites, cottage cheese (for vegetarians) are your most efficient options looking at protein per 100 grams. If you prefer lower calorie foods, beans, green veggies and mushrooms are also good options (high protein percentage but you have to eat a lot). For a high protein diet, especially for veggie/vegans it’s generally better to replace every meal with one slightly higher in protein than to try to add one foodstuff to your diet to achieve it all. For example quinoa or whole wheat options for your rice/pasta. Adding lentils to your tomato sauce and yogurt with nuts/seeds instead of cornflakes will get most people a very long way.
I could probably handle a handle of beans in a day, but I’m not sure if it’ll go as well if I keep forgetting to pour out the vodka before beaning the handle
beaning the handle
Just be safe, okay?
Tell me you’re influenced by social media without telling me you’re influenced by social media.
Or you can just look at the nutritional information for beans?
Does the can of beans tell you you need 100g of protein? Musta missed that…
Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you were questioning the nutritional density of beans.
In any case, I haven’t done the literature review on this, but just based on literature I’ve encountered on the matter (ranging from scientific papers to pop-sci articles), everything that recommends a lower intake also specifies that they’re recommendations for the average sedentary person. If you have any sources to share that contradict this, please do share. I think I’m going to do a proper lit review on this soon, so it’ll be a good addition.
Lmao, stop projecting bro. You’re so social media pilled that because rfk likes protein, you reactionarily think protein is bad.
Educate yourself on the very basics of nutrition, and then go touch some grass.
Oh yeah you’re definitely a gym bro. Even the way you type is cliché.
And you’re definitely so simple minded that you need to put people in buckets.
You put yourself in the bucket, I’m just pointing to it.
Lmfao you don’t even understand the analogy.
Cite your source on protein needs or shut the fuck up.
Nobody needs 100 fucking grams of protein in one day, even if you’re exercising you’ll still shit half of that out because your body can’t absorb that much.
The standard Daily Recommended Allowance for protein intake is ~0.83g / kg body weight. I.e. that is the minimum amount of protein you need to eat every day to maintain your basic nutrition, which for a 180lb person is about 70g of protein per day, at minimum.
You need more it you’re an older adult, and you need close to double that if you’re an athlete trying to gain muscle.
Is there a c/confidentlyincorrect yet?
Pff, be down wind after dinner and tell me no living creature was harmed 😁
But seriously, beans are great!
Y’all talking about beans?
Beans‽
The magical fruit?
The more you eat…
The more you eviscerate the patriarchy?
Oh fuck yeah! I can literally get behind this!
TIL plants aren’t alive.
I dunno if we can call them creatures. Considering a creature is almost universally considered an animal, it is at least considered motile.
Oh snap he got us, boys! Give this guy a podcast and a position in the Trump administration!
They’re not harmed
So you say! You could be a shill for Big Bean!
You’re thinking of Boggis, Bean is the mean one
how are you defining harm?
lol
Neither are chickens when I eat their unfertilised eggs, but vegans still complain.
That’s because the chickens in factory farms are kept in squalid conditions that have them attempting suicide by autophagia if they aren’t debeaked!
Says “freeroaming outside” on the package at least.
That’s a lot better, but I have a secondary concern I didn’t want to clog the above comment with. It’s that chickens as they exist today shouldn’t really exist. They’ve been bred to the point that the daily periods destroy their bodies. It’s not healthy. It’s like the problem with pugs, we should have left them alone, and now that they’re like this, it’s our responsibility to breed them back to health. Continuing to breed more with these health problems is an act of abuse in itself.
It’s some better, not a lot if you research most of the sources for those packages that say “freeroaming.” The only way the minimum standard for “freeroaming” labeling looks good (and, face it, no profitable operation does more than the minimum required) is by comparison with the factory hell-houses.
OK, so you’re saying we should let them die out? Go extinct?
They’re still killed when no longer of egg producing age and the males are ground up at sexing.
I mean, if they’re your chickens then sure, but if you’re buying eggs from the grocery store then those chickens are in hell.
And here’s the hard to reconcile thing: if everybody did their absolute best effort, investing 5 hours a week in the family or local cooperative chicken farm to get their eggs, and nobody bought mass produced eggs anymore, salmonella and other disease deaths would skyrocket. Not that everybody who raises chickens for the eggs gets salmonella, just that modern rates are so low - a return to individual farming would see them rise 10x, maybe 100x - even with conscientious chicken ranchers.
Now, get real about how much effort most people would actually put in on personal chicken-egg operations if they had no mass produced options and you’re looking at 1000x increases…
Fun fact, my wife and I got salmonella from eating airbnb homestead eggs!
no living creature is harmed in the process.
Everything annihilated by aerial spraying, and the creatures (including farm workers) dying of cancer from non-lethal doses, would beg to differ.
Are you aware livestock eats farmed crops too? Taking out the middle man (or cow) makes the whole thing more efficient at least.
No, I thought they ate butterflies and sunshine.
Conversion of rain forest to grazing land has been a sickening thing to watch for the past 40 years - it’s got an up-front massive incentive through sale of the old growth hardwoods, then they turn around and make residual continuing income off of the grazing instead of letting the forest regrow.
But, then again, that’s pretty much what happened to most of the continental US’s forests in the 1800s. We’re starting to replant commercial tree farms, but those are monoculture biodiversity deserts.
Yeah, there’s nothing we can do that literally harms no living creature. Any vegan who has given their choices a second of thought will acknowledge that it’s about harm minimization, not causing zero harm.
I wish everybody would get more “precise with their language” instead of running around spouting “zero harm” “absolutely no suffering” and such things, because people who say that often enough start to really believe it - instead of having a second of thought.
I wish everybody would get more “precise with their language” instead of running around spouting “zero harm”
And I wish for world peace but similarly that isn’t ever happening.
True. But when someone is behind a keyboard, they can double down on their stupidity.
But that’s not perfect so some brain case on Lemmy will complain about it
I wish our capitalist agricultural crop industry didn’t harm animals.
You will not be able to live your life without harming something.
So it makes it okay, especially makes it okay to not reduce as much harm as possible? Because, we’re not doing enough to reduce the suffering in the world, especially when profit completely disregards it as an obstacle.
No?
Define harm. If a pig is born and raised by a meatpacking operation, there’s a pig that would never have been born without the meatpacking operation - if it is raised and slaughtered humanely (which they aren’t, these days), is it harmed? If people are starving due to shutdown of all inhumane meatpacking operations, have we reduced overall harm?
I don’t understand your point too well, especially in relation to my point that vegetable farming also harms animals. But yeah, humans cause a tremendous amount of harm, which I’m defining as general suffering in this particular case. People won’t starve because there’s less meat being produced, but it seems like you’re arguing that reducing meat consumption will cause more overall suffering?
Nothing happens in isolation… Producing a little less meat shouldn’t cause additional harm, but shutting down a lot of meat production all at once would cause a lot of harm - starting with people who make their living both directly and indirectly from the industry, and if you shut down enough of it all at once you’d be disrupting enough of the supply chain that even people who just consume the food are going to run into problems.
We should strive to do better, but avoid arguments like “STOP ALL X NOW!” - it’s overreaching, and would be counterproductive if you actually achieved it.
Yeah but manly men need manly men food!
It’s the next obvious step in the burrito nihilism movement. First we ate burritos and tacos and the world made sense. Then everyone decided burritos were too convenient and portable so they started getting deconstructed burrito “bowls.” Then carbs were bad so they removed the rice. Now we are in the final act, where they also remove the vegetables, cheese and sauce. Because nothing matters, life has no meaning and the world has gone mad.
I miss bone in burritos, they really aren’t the same without having to eat around the bone
Ten or so years ago in fitness circles, the “hack” was to go to Chipotle and get just a double serving of steak a la carte. It was a cheap way to get a really good amount of protein when you were out.
Can’t have anything without capitalists running it into the ground for profit.
Haha! I was going to share this as well!
We used to go to Qdoba, chipotle, Baja fresh and just order pure ingredients! It’s not on the menu, and it was like $2-3. Used to order that, make my own rice, veggies, etc… and feed all my roommates for the same price as a burrito combo.
Now it’s on the menu. While you can still ask for double meat in your burrito, you can also order a “protein bowl” that starts with double meat
I just go get a couple of tacos. Tacos are better than chipotle.
The tacos are at chipotle
Kind of. Nobody orders them and the staff look at you like you are insane if you do.
Nah, street carts and tiendas. Lots of us around several cities.
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Popcorn chicken has been sold like this for as long as I can remember. They aren’t even innovating.
I eat more fast food than anybody I know.
I tried the Arby’s steak nuggets for science. They were absolutely abysmal and I cannot understand what morons let them become a menu item. They are easily in the top five for the worst fast food item I have ever had in my entire life.
They could have had country fried steak nuggets with soy protein to bind it together and it would have been killer. This was food waste with a glaze.
This was food waste with a glaze.
You mean BBQ sandwiches? I worked at a Rax (like Arbys, with a salad bar) - the meat scraps and leftovers were thrown in a tub, covered in sauce, stuck in the cooler and sold as BBQ for the next day or so.
Quite possibly actually.
Wendy’s gets away with it for their burger to chili. I’m not actually sure what Arby’s is sourcing these from, but it just wasn’t great.
My grandmother ate Wendys daily, as her only meal of the day, for 20+ years, she lived to 99. She’s unusual (and she also controlled her calorie intake so she didn’t become overweight.)
Your mileage will most likely vary, that stuff isn’t healthy. Oh, by the way, her mother chewed tobacco to age 96 and lived to 98 - also not typical.
But were they healthy all the way or were they struggling? And do you remember what food she ordered at Wendy’s? I’m not planning to copy her, but I am curious.
My brother lived with our grandmother, and I think they were mostly lazy - didn’t like to cook / shop for groceries. Neither one of them really got health problems from that, though my brother did gain a bit of weight.
Great grandmother (reportedly, never met her in person) was mean spirited and feisty to the end.
Slop Bowls 2: Protein Boogaloo
Would you like a side of EXTRA BIG-ASS FRIES???
I’ve ate the Chipotle cup of chicken last night. Not bad, shared some w my pitbulls.
I had the fresh meat nuggets from chik fila two days ago. Not bad, not great.
I don’t order this, but if my wife is bringing home slop from those stores…this is all ill tolerate.
99% of food is tastier, cheaper and more nutritious home cooked. That’s not new.
This reminds me of the “Big Gulp” 64oz of soda for 0.99 days - basically when sugar was replaced with HFCS and the price of soda syrup fell through the floor.
We’ve been automating factory production of chicken and pork for a while now, gotta sell it somewhere.
Can I get a great big cup of cancer please, and fries, with with a cup of fizzy flavored HCFS, no ice. Thanks.
The wife and I both had the Arby’s steak bites. They are very much “meh” - One order was enough. Not bad or anything just - more like we probably would have preferred fries.
I compared it to really good beef jerky. Not bad but I’m sure “good beef jerky” isn’t what they were going for.
Yabogoya!
I want to start by saying I generally agree with the theme of the article that the average American already gets enough protein without needing to specifically target it in fast food. However, I think this is not entirely accurate:
Overall recommendations have consistently hovered between 50-70 grams [of protein] per day, depending on weight.
That sounds low to me. I’ve seen nutritionist recommended minimums in the 50-70 range depending on weight, height, gender, and age, but recommended targets are higher. Especially for older men who are at higher risk of muscle loss with age, these recommended targets can be above 90 grams.
Edit: Getting several down votes, so let’s add some sources.
0.8g per kg of weight, which comes out to about 55g per day for a 150 lb person, is a minimum, not an average: https://doi.org/10.3945/an.116.013821
Aging men may need to consume as much as 2g per kg of weight, which comes out to about 135g for a 150 lb man: https://doi.org/10.3390/nu10030360
The issue here is that the entire conversation has been hijacked by tryhard fitness influencers selling protein supplements, so people are just tired of the “protein bruh. Protein” conversation entirely.
As well as big farma selling protein. I feel all this is the modern equivalent of the food pyramid from the 80s… Which was largely designed by grain producers. I straight up mistrust American science given its links to capitalism. Yes we need some protein but not the massive amount we’re being told to consume. Plus it’s the worst macronutrient for the environment and ethical consumption.
Yeah, I can understand that. I’m not in that space, so I wasn’t aware. A similar craze happened for removing gluten from one’s diet about 10-15 years ago, and after the hype died down a lot of the new options it spawned stuck around, which was great for people with celiac disease. Hopefully there will be a similar silver lining once this hype passes.
The real problem is so many different recommendations, but ….
I do see a higher amount consistently recommended as you get older, but never in the same sentence as exercise. I’m well past the age and weight where it takes intentional action to maintain muscle mass, and I really need to start doing that.
The algorithm started feeding me “Tai chi for older men”, so even that is telling me to exercise
If you want an amazing comprehensive overview that cites its sources check out https://examine.com/guides/protein-intake/#pOJz-how-much-protein-do-you-need-per-day
Athletes need 1.2 to 2 g per kg of bodyweight per day. The amount you need depends on your goals, are you trying to grow and perform, or just survive and subsist like the average sedentary Lemmy user.
Ain’t nobody eating 2kg of protein per day.
You probably meant 1.2 to 2 grams per kg of body weight.And don’t make fun of us lemmy users, some of us actually get up out of chairs sometimes.
Yea I typos the crap put of that. I was falling asleep when I wrote it.
