This is the America conservatives wanted.
They still want it. Watching it play out pleases them.
We need to turn ICE members over to the Mexican cartels.
That’s some medieval shit if they just stood around while she died.
I’m not sure what laws can be thrown at this, though I expect whatever they are, they won’t be nearly enough to truly have a fraction of the appropriate justice served to all involved in her death.
then run away like the fucking cowards they are.
every single ICE agent in the nation is complicit in this gangnvio. they all should be locked and never see the light of day again.
the world will be a much better place when they are dead/locked in a dark cells without contact with the outside world
That didn’t happen with the Nazis and I doubt it’ll happen with ICE.
lots were locked up after Nuremberg.
Not a lot. A small percentage. Most went to Argentina and the US to live out full lives.
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she was ALIVE FOR 20MIN. they dont want witnesses potentially to bite them in the ass later on. also most of them are likely the paramilitary groups that covenient disappeared around the time ICE started freely hiring.
We’re going to need more community medics in the future who know how to treat life threatening bleeding. Our community put together a short guide on steps you can take to equip yourself with that life saving knowledge so you can help your own community.
Learn First Aid! ⛑️
It is equally, if not more important, to be able to keep yourself and others alive if they get hurt. This is a tremendously useful skill for anyone to learn, you can never have too many medics.
Tacticool Girlfriend provides a great introduction building a personal first aid kit, called an IFAK, which can deal with things like bullet wounds and other serious bleeding wounds. I also want to emphasize her recommendation of only buying medical gear from reputable sources (not Amazon!), such as North American Rescue to avoid fakes that could cost you your life.
But you’ll need to learn how to use that equipment, too. The best resource for that is to take a local Stop The Bleed class, which are pretty widely available in most places. They may cost a small fee, but can also sometimes be free. Alternatively, if you cannot access a local class, this video by PrepMedic will give you a solid understanding of how to use Tourniquets and Gauze for wound packing.
Injuries are less harmful if they are tended to early. Learning first aid can help conserve resources when healthcare becomes unaffordable. Having several medics in case of harm by police is an extremely powerful morale booster during a protest that may become a police riot. When you become comfortable with the basics of first aid, riot medicine is the next suggested step.
Establish or join local Mutual Aid networks ✊
If you haven’t already, get to know your neighbors. Mutual aid is a willingness to support and grow your community. This can include informal networks through friends, tenant/renter organizations, solidarity groups, and industrial unions.
These are groups using direct action to solve each other’s problems. Building strong communities makes it difficult for fascism to take root. The actions of the government are going to hit every community hard, and the ones who build trust in each other and work together are most likely to survive. We’ve been building a list of resources in !inperson@slrpnk.net to help you on your way. Also check out this handy guide to find existing groups in your area.
This isn’t only for your own community protection. Your ability to organize today will change the political landscape tomorrow. When revolution occurs, the social organizations that show the greatest resilience through the regime are the ones typically calling the shots when the dust settles. When it comes to elections, get out the vote drives are useless if most of the voters are fascists. At some point, you have to do grassroots political education if you don’t want fascist candidates winning elections. Mutual aid networks are excellent forums not only for teaching each other good political ideas, but demonstrating them in practice.
Someone was on-hand that self-identified as a physician and they were kept away.
Yes. But not every person who is shot or hurt in the future will be surrounded by ICE. Someone may be hurt while ICE is retreating, or towards the back of a crowd where they can be dragged away to be treated by those around them. This happened very often in the Hong Kong resistance and the rebellion in Chile in 2019, where activists began to set up impromptu medic stations to treat the wounded and the gassed.
We have to be ready to support more and more resistance if we’re to avoid them solidifying into a complete fascist takeover.
Willful disregard for human life is the legal term I believe.
Don’t forget utter incompetence.
That undersells it so much that it’s beneath mention.
Incompetence isn’t a crime outside of specific licensed and regulated roles. Willful disregard for human life is a crime
They are incompetent, but their violence, abuse and murder are deliberate.
I’m sure it’ll be thrown around a bit during Nuremberg 2
Nuremberg only happened because Germany was utterly defeated and occupied by foreign powers. I’m not optimistic America will have a reckoning like that.
That’s likely to happen. A lot of innocent people will die first, but that’s basically inevitable.
Here is my favorite video essay of 2025: Fantasies of Nuremberg.
A bit of a heads-up: do not watch this video if you want to retain any hint of a fantasy that such a reckoning even did happen in the first place. Do watch if you want a fantastically well written essay about one of the most mythologized and relevant events in history.
We are once again being presented the lesson that we didn’t learn every previous time a tyranny has been overthrown: That the overthrow must be total, that the power and influence the tyrants wielded must be entirely destroyed, that those responsible can’t be allowed to survive their crimes, and that the ideas that enabled their rule must become warnings taught to all from birth.
Until we learn the lesson, we’re never going to grow out of this insane cycle.
Sadly, I believe that’s the point of American public schools not teaching it. If you look at the origins of our public schools, it makes perfect sense.
Oh I’m well aware of how weak denazification was. I’m saying I doubt the US will even get that much.
But it really needs one.
I’d hate to die alone bleeding out on my steering wheel because of a fat, stupid, mentally deficient ICE agent who hates women decided I would be a stand-in for his mother that day.
New records from emergency responders obtained by The New York Times show that Good was not breathing but had an irregular pulse when local medics arrived at the scene, and had no pulse by the time they removed her from her car. This comes after an initial video captured by bystanders showed ICE agents screaming at a medic who offered help as Good lay dying in her car.
“Can I go check a pulse?” a man said after Good was shot, his hands in the air.
“No! Back up!” an ICE agent told him.
“I’m a physician!”
“I don’t care!” the agent replied, before another came up and said they had their own EMS on the way. They arrived and performed CPR on Good—who had two gunshots in her chest and one on her arm—before taking her to the hospital, where she later died.
Its murder. They all conspired in a murder. Even the president wanted this to happen. Conspiracy to commit … they didn’t care who, so long as the violence ramps up
they wanted to test how far they can take it, so they can go even further. no-riot protest hasnt really solved much
That “I don’t care!” is what my kids shout when they realize someone saw them doing something bad and they’re angry, sulky, and trying to save face. My kids aren’t murdering people though. Unless I just haven’t caught them yet.
I know deeply how infuriating this was to watch, and I’m pretty sure that as bad as it feels now… things will get worse before they get better, and then when they get better a lot of serious shit is going to happen to every masked asshole in that video.
Either the system will rebound and we will have justice, or the system will NOT rebound and we will go get our justice.
The system has been empowering and looking the other way on right wing terrorist groups for decades. They systematically hunted down the leaders of the civil rights movements, they planted crack in the inner cities….all of our elected representatives send hundreds of billions of dollars to Israel to literally commit a genocide. The citizens of Israel have universal healthcare, free college and monthly payments per child from our tax dollars….our system is not fixable. There’s nothing good to rebound to the genocide is here now
There should be a word, and I’m sure it exists in German or something, for when you agree with someone’s assertions but simultaneously know for a fact they’re just doomer-venting and sound like an edgy teen trying to describe to their mom why they wear black.
These are facts would you like some evidence
I already said I agree with the assertions, I just don’t agree with the bleak, hopeless, roll-over-and-expose-belly-for-master resignation. We’ve struggled through worst in the past, and generally if you look at all metrics, our quality of life and freedom has only increased over the last several centuries and most unrest and destabilization are just the pendulum swinging, but that pendulum doesn’t wind down, history shows it gradually moves forward.
We still owe it to the people who will come after us to do all we can, we still can see change in our lifetimes towards better outcomes we can still help push the needle, we can see grand outcomes when we actually try, we can still involve ourselves to the extent of our ability and comfort, and/or we can have individually great experiences and set aside what media shoves in your face all day, learn to diet and just focus on the problems for a certain amount of time every day.
Go socialize, meet people, create love and safety around yourself with others and see sights in the world while you can.
Yes, shit is going to get bad, maybe worse than anything we’ve seen so far. But the mountain of skulls we live on to have gotten to this next struggle shouldn’t be wasted.
I’m an older person. I have a family and friends and I do lots of things but I’ve also seen my friends and family ground up in our system. I agree humans have survived a lot but we really can’t underestimate the dire situation we are in now. We can not allow this genocide to continue on our soil it will only escalate if we don’t stop it.
George Floyd showed otherwise tho. We got a conviction IIRC.
which is why they’re terrorizing MN. They are undoing the BLM protests.
‘‘if mass protests manage to get any results at all, even on a local level, then this is what will happen to your state.’’
IMO the point of the George floydd protests was justice system reform, not a conviction.
Seems like the people have to go bigger then the floydd protests to get that justice system reform we so desperately need.
and Breonna Taylor? we didn’t there. and we didn’t do anything to reform the system that killed them.
There were no reforms and the mass incarceration system continues to grow beyond anything comparable in any country and these prisons are for profit slave camps and the facist police union stands with the ice Gestapo
Wait so she hadn’t been shot in the head?
You can be shot in the head and survive. I don’t have statistics, but there have been many who have survived.
A 28 year old at close range. A 14 year old. 47 year old. Etc.
The point is that Good had an outside chance and these bastards don’t give a shit about people they’ve shot.
My point is that people were spreading the narrative/rumor that she was shot in the head for some reason. It is possible to be shot in the head and survive, it’s not as common as surviving gunshot wounds to extremities or even the chest cavity, especially if first aid and stop the bleed measures are started ASAP.
So for some reason, from the very beginning, there was a miscommunication being spread (whether intentional or not) that her survival was probably less likely than it actually was.
Even if that doctor hadn’t been there and hasn’t been prevented from helping, it also seems worth asking why all of the ICE agents who were present at the time had been issued fire arms, but none of the dickheads just standing around letting this lady bleed out, had any first aid training?
Seriously none of them? Nobody even had some kind of common sense inkling hat they should probably try to stop the bleeding? Not even the “war veteran” who shot her? Just more weird shit to add to the long list of how/why did shit go down the way it did that day. So many weird things seem like he set out to intentionally murder somebody that day, and not just because her wife had embarrassed him beforehand.
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Why did the ICE agent who allegedly had PTSD from being dragged by a car intentionally position himself in front of her car?
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Why was his safety already off when he grabbed his gun
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Why did he keep his phone in one hand filming while he shooting at a car that was moving towards him?
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Did none of the “trained federal agents” really not have any basic first aid training, despite some of them previously seeing combat?
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Why did they refuse to let the doctor help her?
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Who started the rumor she had been shot in the head?
They probably think first aid is for pussies.
Because they had orders to make an example of one of the vehicle blockers that had been harassing and frustrating them all over the country. They wanted to send a message that the gloves were off.
So who ordered the hit? Noem? PeeWee Himmler? Trump?
Vance? Vought? Who knows. “Just following orders that came from the very top” chain of command game of telephone.
No, all this immigration chaos stuff is all being directed by Stephen “PeeWee Himmler” Miller, with Trump’s full approval.
Trump has full immunity for OFFICIAL presidential acts, and ordering the murder of an American citizens to send a message is NOT an official act. Show me where the Constitution outlines that official presidential duty.
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No idea but some people have survived holes in their head.
Some reports say she was shot twice in the chest and once in the forearm.
I don’t care in this case is the difference between 2nd degree and 1st degree murder.
So basically this proves every ICE agent on the scene was an accomplice.
Insane, wtf. She was a planned hit.
I mean I feel like it’s still an inarguable point as to WHY she was shot, but let’s ignore even that part but why oh why did they deny her care after that? Can conservative sociopaths explain that part away, because they’ll always argue about how she deserved it but did she deserve medical care?
Because at least actual cops still call an ambulance for you or let a Dr reach you
There are times cops have shot someone 30 or more times, who is clearly absolutely dead and they will still apply bandages and give CPR sometimes to give at least the impression of protecting life. To me the denial of medical care in this situation is even more proof of guilt than the shooting because they can argue they feared for their life in the moment, but they had ample time to provide aid and deliberately blocked it.
The murderer even went to check the body immediately after but then left, I would be unsurprised if he saw she was still potentially alive and they decided to block aid intentionally to make sure she was dead. I assumed she was shot in the face or head 3 or 4 times which would be unlikely to survive, but apparently she was wounded twice in the chest on the right side, once in the forearm and once in the head. I don’t know the specific damage from the shot to the head, it’s most likely she would have at least been in a vegetative state or have severe brain damage if she had lived, but to deny the chance of any aid for over ten minutes would seal the deal of a conviction for murder if I were a jury member in this case.
Comment above says 2 chest, one arm
If it turns out the shot to the face was bullet two or three, Ross is done.
It’s not even a stretch of the imagination to come to the idea that they’d say, “she disobeyed, therefore she deserved to die”.
They eagerly dehumanize anybody who diverges from their strict ideals. Remember how Kristi Noem admitted to shooting her dog dead because it behaved like the big untrained puppy that it was? She told that story because they believe that is a reasonable response to an untrained, young and full of energy dog being disobedient.
In their mind, Renee Good was no better and deserved no better than that dog.
Plus, she was a mouthy lesbian with a wife mouthing off, too. And she was supposedly an ACTIVIST. How dare she!
The ICE “officer” naturally had no other choice but to summarily execute her on the street as judge, jury and executioner.
Two reasons. First, you don’t know that that guy really is a doctor. He could be some random crazy person. Second, if she lives, she can sue.
Funny, we don’t know that masked thugs are actually ICE agents.
Not making excuses for a fascist preventing a doctor from getting to someone who’s bleeding to death is free.
Not making snarky comments is also free. They asked why, I answered. I never said it was a good reason or any excuse.
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First, you don’t know that that guy really is a doctor.
Not an acceptable reason. I’d actually expect that medical personnel probably do in fact carry some sort of documentation that identifies them as such, likely for this very reason.
Second, if she lives, she can sue.
So…they want 1st degree murder rather than manslaughter charges. Actively blocking medical aid demonstrates
explicitpremeditated intent.Second degree is intent without premeditation.
My bad. Fixed it above.
That never happens, also the response isn’t “no” it’s any sort of question to discern if they are telling the truth.
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Who the fuck cares if he’s a real Doctor? You afraid he’s gonna hurt her more than a shot to the head?
New records from emergency responders obtained by The New York Times show that Good was not breathing but had an irregular pulse when local medics arrived at the scene, and had no pulse by the time they removed her from her car. This comes after an initial video captured by bystanders showed ICE agents screaming at a medic who offered help as Good lay dying in her car.
It was a physician, not a medic.
Since they weren’t in a hospital… does the distinction matter? The provided care would’ve been the same, wouldn’t it?
If anything a medic might actually have more first aid experience than a physician.
A doctor would be able to provide a higher level of care than a medic, because of all the experience in medical school.
Medics don’t need degrees in medicine, just a paramedic program which is only 20 months. Ie the same length as the first post secondary requirement to medical school.
Nope. If you are down in the field 99% of the time you want a good medic.
If you need your blood drawn, you want a good phlebotomist. People are good at what they practice. Doctors are great in their environment, but it’s not like they are better at doing the jobs of other medical professionals.You got me, but without a kit I don’t think prior experience with gunshot wounds would make up for the time lost waiting on the second person. And it’s not like this was an either/or. It’s completely asinine to not let the doctor that is standing right there access to someone actively bleeding. Even the most casual assessment would save the paramedic on their way a minute and would have the attempts to stop the bleeding happen minutes earlier. That’s not a trivial amount of time. This level of negligence is homicide
medic
noun
: one engaged in medical work or study
Synonyms of medic
doctor
physicianMedic has the common connotation of emergency medic, also called corpsman in the military.
It can do, but that’s no basis on which to say “they weren’t a medic”. You can correctly call a physician a medic.
Sigh. Common connotation.
So? Is it so common that it’s wrong to say the word without the connotation?
also called Navy corpsman in the
militaryUSMCOdd thing to nitpick, but since we ARE nitpicking; medics might be referred to as corpsman in the US military. Other countries with militaries have them too. We just call them medics.
There’s a whole world outside of the USA.
They’re only corpsmen in the Navy. In the other branches they’re medics, except the Marines which don’t have any (they borrow corpsmen from the Navy).
We just call them medics.
That’s also my point.
And if we are patient, we’ll get to see how long it takes for anyone to do absolutely nothing about it.
@floofloof Horrific, evil.
