Gonna need more than a stick and a sheet of poster board
Beat them with what? Mascots and placards?
Semiauto 12gauge slugs https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/philadelphia-chapter-black-panther-party-164000656.html
Edit: this was the original link I wanted to post https://lemmy.ca/post/58690676
Now THAT’S what you call a revolutionary organisation
Every third generation after the event apparently.
You don’t have the commies to do most of the job this time.
The British weren’t commies
Antifa, the shitty street militia funded by Stalin, got their asses kicked in Weimar and the people calling themselves “antifa” today are also losers funded by people who hate their country outright.
Bootlicker hot take
How does one’s ideology make them better equipped at fighting fascism?
If I decided to become a commie, would some divine god knowledge on fighting nazis be magically implanted into my brain?
Yeah commies did a great job occupying countries they “freed” from the Nazis.
If you want to replace one tyrant with another, the commies are good for that.
The equipment made them better equipped, not the ideology, though it does help because of it’s accurate materialist understanding of history. The USSR had a massive industry that produced millions of bullets, artillery shells, and hundreds of tanks to fight the nazis. We don’t have a nation like that now to fight the nazis, the nazis today are the dominant superpower and it will be a tough fight. I agree though idk what the point of that comment was.
they were also willing to command enormous loss of life to accomplish military objectives
Those same commies were very happy to cosy up to and ally with the Nazis until they got back stabbed.
NATO was perfectly happy to hire all the “clean” naxos after WW2 as well, that’s why the Wehrmacht got sanitized.
They sure were! ~please don’t actually study history, because you’ll discover how many countries got away with nazism and chill~
Oh man those damn nazi loving commies, besides the nazis the commies were the only bad guys in ww2. /s
65 million people died in Europe alone. Facism has a profound price paid in blood by the working class while the ruling class benefits.
the non-violent protests has been largely ineffective , it just shows that there is no resistance when they use violence. the last thing the people at top want, rich people is rioting.
turns out Minneapolis shouldnt gave given up their guns, huh…
You didn’t beat them before. Your grandparents did.
Can grandpa fight again?
Grandpa had a gun and the strength of the US army behind him.
Grandparent age people are who voted ice in lmfao great grandparents were world war 2 folks nowday
Well, can your grand father fight again?
One of these would be fun, but ICE would probably fire back with real bullets.
Take a shield too ig? I love this video sm lmao
Holy shit that thing just kept going!
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But only after they have already killed millions.
Mandatory reminder that plenty of people fought the nazis before the extermination camps.
Plenty of people fought the nazis before they started their world war.
Plenty of people fought the nazis without the support of ANY state and in opposition to the nazi state.
Plenty of people fought the nazis before Hitler was even elected.
Everyone that fought the nazis had in common that they didn’t get to choose to win. Many of them died on what seemed to be the losing side of that conflict. Their choice was to fight.
Never discount contingency. If people resist more effectively this time, things need not happen the same way.
Evil will still be done, many will still die. But we can prevent the worst.
its likely to repeat again.
I applaud the sentiment, but uhm… I don’t think the comparison is helpful. Fighting external enemies is very different from fighting fascism from within. The “the state champions freedom” vs “the state is tyranny” kind of different.
There is the third type of fighting as well. I don’t know what that is but trump once said “Fight! Fight! Fight!” during a political theatre event a while back. So that’s three. /s
Not to mention that America inspired the Nazis, and after we “beat them”, we hired them to run NASA and NATO…
Like… our main problem today is not guns and ships.
The main problem is media, i.e. the propaganda system that keeps MAGAts happy to shoot themselves in the foot.
The Conservative Propaganda Machine.
Before this is over, it will have to dealt with as the National Security Threat it is.
But you are the media in this world. Everybody here is generating media everyday. Traditional media was replaced with Facebook and Twitter and reddit. How many leftist removed themselves from there? Is it any surprise that the whole world seems like it’s using right wing talking points anymore. The left fucked themselves and most still don’t get what has happened here
“social” media is prone to promoting fear & hate, unless it’s heavily moderated. Twitter & Facebook completely fail in that regard. Leftift voices leaving these platforms is a consequence of that, not the cause.
Fuck moderation. Moderation is a big part of how we got here.
They boxed people into sanitized communities. Look at the biggest groups here or on reddit. It’s usually only headlines. Very little discussion. No interpretation. Mods removed anyone they felt were ‘trolls’ it left only homogeneous spaces. No insight. Just people all agreeing with each other saying like 10 phrases over and over again.
Moderators, especially in left-leaning spaces, have turned disagreement into a bannable offense. If you do not perfectly align, you are out. Moderators enforce purity.
I posted a clip recently of an agitator burning a flag at a protest and then running away. It had hundreds of upvotes. A mod deleted it and said it was because they did not like it. That is not moderation. That is controlling what people are allowed to see.
People keep pretending the real fight is in the streets. It is not. If powerful institutions did not believe online spaces mattered, they would not spend billions shaping them. They understand the battleground. For some reason the leftist haven’t figured it out.
We need to go back to basics. Moderation should be minimal. Mods should handle illegal or truly extreme content and nothing else. Everything else should be decided by the community. That is why upvotes and downvotes exist. Why was that forgotten
keeps
MAGAtseveryone happy to shoot themselves in the foot.Imagine living through the last 30 years and honestly thinking you weren’t voting for your own decimating because you picked the blue fascist team. Obama had all the power he needed to stop the WoT, the Patriot Act, the militarization of police, and the corruption of Wall Street in its tracks, but nope.
Instead he laid down the fascist asphalt so Donald could joyride.
Obama had all the power he needed to stop the WoT, the Patriot Act, the militarization of police, and the corruption of Wall Street in its tracks, but nope.
The ruling stating that presidents have complete immunity from persecution for acts taken in the official capacity as president, in which the judges made it clear that could even include assassinating political rivals, did not pass during Trump’s administration.
It passed during Biden’s administration. The Supreme Court basically told him “you can assassinate Trump and nothing would happen to you.” He didn’t even pursue him for persecution.
Democrats are not just useless, they’re complicit.
We’re not there yet, man, give it another year or so, maybe another Dem admin? lol. They’ve been playing good cop/bad cop for idk how long and these people keep falling for it! Despite Obama droning his way into a Peace Prize, and imperialist moves made regardless of which color is leading the nation, they still think they can ‘vote blue’ their way out of it. And at this point in America, voting is just virtue signalling. 🤷
Better if it shows a Confederate soldier?
We will beat them again. It’s just a question of how much suffering until then, and how much we actually root out the ideology.
Did you really though?
I didn’t do shit because I wasn’t alive then. And clearly they’re not gone, because here they are. But you may note that slavery is illegal now. Not enough but not nothing. If you want to doom keep it to yourself.
Your for-profit prison system belies that particular claim.
What are you trying to accomplish here? Is your message to any Americans of conscience “no, you can’t beat fascists”? Don’t be a dick and don’t be defeatist
The message is: “try harder this time and don’t forget to follow through”.
Reconstruction was never truly complete and allowed for a full range of “compromises”. The attitude and feelings remained the same.
Quite sad that 175 years later and the arguments have changed very little.
To give some context to how little it’s changed even in rhetoric. Confederate leaders were fear mongering about socialism.
They forfeited the right to be called my countrymen when they spat on the founding principles of the nation. They are foreign to the American ideal.
They are foreign to the American ideal.
What ideal would that be? Manifest Destiny, the genocidal land theft from indigenous people followed by enslaving Africans to build the nation?
This is America, and underneath the rhetoric and the eagles, always has been America. You’ve just been brainwashed into believing otherwise.
And America is the extension of Britain and you know how they are!
The founding principles of the nation are might makes right and don’t whine, there’s no truth nor justice in the world, and the US has behaved exactly that way from their Anglo-Saxon conception by crusading into America annihilating the locals, then enjoying slavery, then destabilising nations around the world post WW2 power reshuffle, pillaging, murdering and raping their way across the land for geopolitical and financial advantages. In the little time it’s been a thing, it’s accumulated sins for thousands of years. Get real, man, if you know any moral, righteous, prosocial and selfless Americans (maybe yourself included!) they are so despite their culture, not because of it.
I would consider a different point of view which is that ICE is a much closer representation of the “American ideal” than where you and your community stand. A study of key events of U.S. history backs this up, in my opinion. The founding ideals had much more to do with the supremacy of white, land owning, christian men than anything else.
As time has passed I think the definition of “white” has been reshaped, and women have been brought in a bit closer, but the United States government has never stood for the equality of all people. This illusion was able to be maintained in much of the late 20th century by exporting the oppression of the underclass to people in other countries.
I’d encourage people to reflect on whether or not their ideals of equality of people were ever “American” in nature, or if it might be necessary to oppose the United States government to achieve this vision.
Even during the founding of the US there were abolitionists, anti-racists and what we would call today communist and anarchists. US history has been driven by the white supremacist’s agenda, but there has always been a strong push against it. The state has always been a minority as far as the number of people, and I think many ‘Americans’ do see the US as a bastion of freedom for refugees and people of all races. That has been the promoted image of the US, obviously we know the state doesn’t adhere to that idealized version but many people here do seem to see that image as the ‘true America’.
It is necessary to oppose that racist state, but the US government is not really representative of much of the nation of ‘America’.
Even during the founding of the US there were abolitionists, anti-racists and what we would call today communist and anarchists. US history has been driven by the white supremacist’s agenda, but there has always been a strong push against it.
Totally
I think many ‘Americans’ do see the US as a bastion of freedom for refugees and people of all races. That has been the promoted image of the US, obviously we know the state doesn’t adhere to that idealized version but many people here do seem to see that image as the ‘true America’.
Right, many people do see it that way. Particularly with the resources and modern interpretations we have available in 2026, we can look back through history and see how that was a lie (or at least “propaganda” of some form). It’s fine if you want it to be true, but in reality the US constitution did not build a truly democratic government structure (this was by design). I think current events (beyond the Donald Trump presidencies) clearly illustrate that nothing short of a new constitutional convention will be able to resolve this.
If there were a new constitution, it would no longer be the “United States of America” as we know it today, of course, it would be something else entirely.
I’ll punch a Nazi with you, but that .ml tag tells me you’re too far off the deep end to have a meaningful conversation about this.
Why so rude? What is even the “deep end”?
If any suggestion of “consider this other point of view” provokes such a reaction, I guess you aren’t wrong, but isn’t that simple closed-mindedness on your part?
Is there anything I can clarify about what I meant?
You’re very nice to these propagandised sheep (and it’s the only way to consistently get your message across, ofc), thank you for your service.
We all started somewhere! Nobody is immune to propaganda.
I started as a libertarian… I was 15, but there’s hope for everyone.
Yeah but they don’t have an entire world of countries using guns and bombs to tell them that.
Fighting fascism is a whole lot easier when it decides to start a world War, every other instance they just continue on within their own borders.
We’re trying to avoid the whole world war part but it’ll come if these assholes continue
Unfortunately if a world war comes it will likely be to bomb civilians while the megacorps make deals with all parties to stay clear of their production lines…
Then we blow up the production lines with fireworks if need be.
if the thugs & bombs don’t get to us first…
History will be written by the Eric and Donald jrs of the world. 🤢
That depends on what you think the comparison is and from what vantage point. If the comparison is current grass roots opposition to the government to the US and Allies fight against Hitler, then sure. The comparison is better made with the rest of the world’s multi decade effort to defeat the nazis and their allies.
Maybe the weapon is being held by a European liberator
Yeah it’s wishful reduction to think it’s as simple as this.
most of them are likely proud boys, 3 percenters or oath keepers.
yeah, cool sign… but that’s all you do. making signs.
Here are concrete steps we can take to combat this beyond making signs (which is still useful in itself):
Learn First Aid! ⛑️
It is equally, if not more important, to be able to keep yourself and others alive if they get hurt. This is a tremendously useful skill for anyone to learn. You can never have too many medics.
Tacticool Girlfriend provides a great introduction to building a personal first aid kit, called an IFAK, which can deal with things like bullet wounds and other serious bleeding wounds. I also want to emphasize her recommendation of only buying medical gear from reputable sources (not Amazon!), such as North American Rescue to avoid fakes that could cost you your life.
But you’ll need to learn how to use that equipment, too. The best resource for that is to take a local Stop The Bleed class, which are pretty widely available in most places. They may cost a small fee, but can also sometimes be free. Alternatively, if you cannot access a local class, this video by PrepMedic will give you a solid understanding of how to use Tourniquets and Gauze for wound packing.
Injuries are less harmful if they are tended to early. Learning first aid can help conserve resources when healthcare becomes unaffordable. Having several medics in case of harm by police is an extremely powerful morale booster during a protest that may become a police riot. When you become comfortable with the basics of first aid, riot medicine is the next suggested step.
Establish or join local Mutual Aid networks ✊
If you haven’t already, get to know your neighbors. Mutual aid is a willingness to support and grow your community. This can include informal networks through friends, tenant/renter organizations, solidarity groups, and industrial unions.
These are groups using direct action to solve each other’s problems. Building strong communities makes it difficult for fascism to take root. The actions of the government are going to hit every community hard, and the ones who build trust in each other and work together are most likely to survive. We’ve been building a list of resources in !inperson@slrpnk.net to help you on your way. Also check out this handy guide to find existing groups in your area.
This isn’t only for your own community protection. Your ability to organize today will change the political landscape tomorrow. When revolution occurs, the social organizations that show the greatest resilience through the regime are the ones typically calling the shots when the dust settles. When it comes to elections, get out the vote drives are useless if most of the voters are fascists. At some point, you have to do grassroots political education if you don’t want fascist candidates winning elections. Mutual aid networks are excellent forums not only for teaching each other good political ideas, but demonstrating them in practice.
Join a Union and Prepare for a General Strike! 💪
The most effective non-violent action we can take is preparing and organizing for a General Strike.
The country would be brought to its knees if suddenly deprived of profit and labor. That tactic was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would’ve had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.
If you aren’t in a union (or even if you are, it’s worth dual-carding), consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you’ll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to strengthen a general strike if we manage to enact one, as most unions have a strike fund that can supplement your income during a general strike to make it more financially bearable (you should also save as much money as you can reasonably do, so it can also be used to keep yourself afloat during a strike).
And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn’t listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above, and they’ll help you set up a new local branch.
Adopt Security Culture and Digital Camouflage 🛡️
Sometimes benign seeming efforts can turn into unexpected personal data collecting traps. Like an obscure website for exchanging contact info with other students turning into a global ad-tech surveillance network (Facebook), or innocent seeming online personality tests being use to harvest character profiles. Even Etsy, Reddit, Tinder, and Duolingo are feeding information to US Government Agencies like ICE.
Security culture is commonly used to describe the general awareness of such potential traps and how it can affect groups or entire communities. This goes beyond mere individual privacy efforts, as without joint efforts these often fail to work.
Especially in activist circles, security culture is paramount. For opsec reasons not everyone in the group might be aware of what clandestine efforts others are involved in, but with a general security culture many potential data leaks can be avoided.
Movements are made by the volume of their participants, and the easier and less dangerous it is to participate, the more people will get involved. As more people get involved, individual involvement becomes even less dangerous, creating a virtuous cycle.
We’ll start it off with some General Advice:
- Mentally wall off personal uniquely identifying info from your online presence, actively build a habit of opsec so that withholding information is your default mental state
- Be careful about who you meet online
- Use different, unrelated usernames, passwords & emails for every account. And try not to connect to those accounts with your real IP address (use Tor or a VPN)
- Be mindful that anything done online leaves a trail
- agents provocateurs may seek to find patsies willing to perform an ill-advised illegal activity in order to legitimize police repression. If someone is trying to pressure you, especially if you don’t have a long and proven history with them, be extremely wary.
For a full guide on what encrypted communications platforms to use, and how to stay off the radar, read the Digital Camouflage section within the Monthly Meta post here (you’ll need to scroll down. I’d add it here, but it won’t fit in this comment).
I hope you’ll join us :)
Someone has to and they do serve an important role in any kind of resistance.
are you a commie
I wish.
Anybody still on Facebook
My grandmother.
Everybody’s grandmother, aunt, uncle, sister, brother is there. The people who are apolitical but who are swing voters needed to actually control and change things. Everyone except the left. They’re in a street somewhere again while the right wing uses Facebook to convince the public these protestors are criminals or some shit. See that’s what happens when you ignore critical steps
