After the gestapo shot and killed Renee Nicole Good on January 7 during a fascist attack on Minneapolis, hegemonic media reacted by blaming Good for her death, saying it "was her own doing” and attacking her character by labeling her “a perpetrator” and “trained agitator.”
Truly depraved and a sign of the end of times IMO… Sad days ahead…
Quick question:
If being in front of or near a car and it supposedly driving towards you is sufficient reason to kill someone in self-defense, what’s to stop someone standing in front of a moving ICE car and shooting the occupants in self-defense?
Rules for thee but not for me
They know it. Accusing fascists of hypocrisy accomplishes nothing, because they’re not playing by the same rules as us. There is no logic to it, just projection of power. The more the strongman and the regime lies, the more power they have. They’re not lying to be believed, but to say “What are you gonna do about it?”
The argument that they are going to use is that ICE is law enforcement and disobeying their orders, whether conflicting or not, is unlawful and thus you deserve whatever happens to you
some real tread on me harder daddy shit
some real tread on me harder daddy shit
Fascists gonna fascist.
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no no, you’re entirely right.
I will point out that the “tread on me harder daddy” phrase doesn’t necessarily mean they knowingly condone it (treading on “us”), only that that is objectively what it is from the outside regardless of how they perceive or intend it
but the distinction in their thought process is important in understanding their actions
But you can not identify them, also being scared makes you do a split second decision apparently
Good logic. Next time someone is standing in front of your car you should floor it.
The total absence of human decency in these right wingers is appalling. And the fact that most of them are Christians - a religion that claims to be all about love and compassion - is a contradiction so monumental, I wonder how these people can sleep at night.
They are not christians, they use christianism as a shield and for whitewashing their actions. Same for zionists, they use judaism as a shield and to be able to shame call anti-semits to those that criticize them.
“No true scotsman” fallacy.
Yes and no.
Fascists delight in acting in bad faith and don’t actually believe half of what they claim to believe. For example, fascists often claim to be pro-free speech or that they love democracy. If I told you fascists weren’t really free speech advocates or pro-democracy, you would likely not cite the no true Scotsman fallacy.
This being said, a lot of Christianity has been like this for a long time. So, meh.
You’re talking to a 49 year old German.
When I was about 15 or 16, I once naïvely asked my grandmother why noone resisted Hitler. She got very angry, told me I knew nothing about the time, and how much good Hitler had done, and then told me to shut up.
She suddenly turned from this loving person into a stubborn, old, bitter and aggressive woman, showed a side I had never seen of her. So she was a counter example to not one, but two of your claims:
- She was a real believer in fascism, and remained that even decades after the catastrophe fascism had plunged Germany and the world into.
- She emphatically was not pro free speech and would absolutely not tolerate me saying anything against her belief.
And she was a woman who claimed to be of a strong Christian faith. I’m well aware that not all of her circumstances translate 100% to modern day America, however I’m still inclined to think that most American Christian fascists also truly believe in both fascism and Christianity, just like my grandmother did.
In other words, I stand by what I said - “They are not christians” is a no true scotsman fallacy used to try and manufacture a distance between Christianity and fascism that does not exist. These people are both, Christians and fascists, and saying otherwise is a bad attempt to absolve religion.
She emphatically was not pro free speech and would absolutely not tolerate me saying anything against her belief.
The American Right has this weird dysfunction where they have right wing beliefs but also as is common on the Right put enormous importance into tradition and the national founding myth which for us includes a bunch of values that are otherwise contrary to Right Wing beliefs. So they have to pay lip service to Free Speech without really believing it. They frequently repeat phrases from the revolution like Freedom & Liberty then act uncomfortable with the reality of Liberty. Celebrate overthrowing our King but be happy when the President starts to accrue King like powers.
As I mentioned at the end of my comment:
This being said, a lot of Christianity has been like this for a long time. So, meh.
You’re using the No True Scotsman Fallacy fallacy. Because Scotsman has a definition. There are people who are not Scotsmen. You can’t point at an Italian who’s lived in Rome their whole life, with no Scottish blood, relatives, or connection with Scotland in anyway and insist they are a Scotsman.
No, they’re Christians. Sorry.
No, they think they are christians. There’s a difference.
A religion is defined by the behaviors and beliefs of it’s followers, they absolutely are Christians. “Being Christian” just doesn’t mean what you want think it does.
Doesn’t the Bible say something about only god knowing what’s in people’s hearts? And that only he can judge?
Sorry that it embarrasses you, but they absolutely are Christians.
Copy paste:
Related term: secular Christianity and cultural Chrisianity… Especially popular in America.
People identify as Christian, cling to the bible, cross, Jesus on the cross, religious symbology as totems or symbols which demonstrate they belong. But they don’t actually believe in God or what’s in the bible. It’s mainly virtue signaling or a dog whistle for white supremacy. In fact most of their core beliefs contradict many of the core tenents of Christianity.
Given fascists delight in acting in bad faith, don’t actually believe half of what they claim to believe, it’s not surprising that the religious right are often fascists. They experience no discomfort, because they don’t actually believe in Christ’s teachings
Don’t forget how much they were clutching their pearls about actual trained agitator Charlie Kirk and their crusade against anyone who didn’t cry hard enough about it.
You surely don’t expect anything less? The propaganda machine never sleeps.
This is just starting, and this story is going to be with us for a long time. Soon they will return from their “investigation,” and declare that The ICE Killer is innocent of all charges, and is back on the job somewhere. Announcing it is proof of their transparency. That will cause a huge outcry across the world, exacerbated by the fact that the MAGA government will be unrepentant and immovable.
Then Minnesota will charge him with murder, and demand he be turned over, and ICE will refuse. An arrest warrant will be issued, and he’ll be found operating in some other city in a Blue state, and the governor and mayor of that state will work together to arrest and extradite him to Minnesota, which MAGA will fight at every step.
Then there will be a state trial, which MAGA will resist, and punishment, which will be appealed, all the way to the Supreme Court. In fact, SCOTUS may be consulted at multiple points of this process, stretching the time out even longer.
This is going to be a long, complicated slog.
Then Minnesota will charge him with murder
I think you’re giving Minnesota alot of undue credit.
If the Feds don’t charge him, Minnesota will. He’s not getting away with murder that easily.
People thought George Floyd’s killer would get away with it, too, but he’s sitting in prison right now.
That was also a local cop and not an agent of a federal agency that Trump/Republicans have expressed unconditional support towards. I already saw video of a local mayor explaining they could arrest agents but ICE has more guns then them.
I would need a list of all crimes punishable by immediate death penalty through a cop.
That picture they’re showing says otherwise.
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Wait, who made him the villain?
Oh that’s right. He did. When he shot the woman in the head.
Repeatedly.
The body cam video makes her look pretty bad though.
How so? That she was a decent human being pissed off at ICE. If that makes you look bad then most people on Lemmy must also look pretty bad.
there is no body cam footage
Technically correct (it was from an officer’s phone) but also, a very stupid thing to say. https://x.com/mattvanswol/status/2009695108611092611
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