“Fcking bitch,” Jonathan Ross, the ICE agent who killed Renee Good, says in the video.*
A newly released cellphone video, apparently filmed by the ICE officer who killed Renee Nicole Good, and obtained by Minneapolis-based Alpha News, a conservative-leaning nonprofit news site, appears to sharply contradict the U.S. government’s public account of the fatal Wednesday shooting, raising new questions about whether the agent who opened fire was ever in immediate danger.
The footage was recorded on a cellphone by ICE officer Jonathan Ross, not by a department body camera. It captures Ross’s own perspective as he approaches Good’s maroon Honda Pilot during what the Department of Homeland Security claims was a federal operation in south Minneapolis.
Say the words. He called her a “Fucking bitch”. Stop fucking censoring language, especially over something like this. If the words offend you, GOOD. You should be fucking offended. (I know OP just reposted the articles censoring - this is directed at the article more than OP)
We don’t need MORE proof. Insinuating we need any more proof gives a veneer of validity to the suggestion there is any doubt at all. This is typical right wing “inundate with bullshit” that leaves anyone with a shred of hope of having an honest discussion constantly scrambling to offer more and more proof while the fact is that the Right DO NOT CARE. They’re here to “win”; honesty, morals, truth, reality be damned.
“There’s a new video?! Well then…let’s invade…oh…I don’t know…Bermuda!?”
No it doesn’t. - MAGA
She had been this for years. years!!! -MAGAcucks
Yeah… All the responses to that Twitter post were in defense of ICE… Incredible.
Are there any unsympathetic voices left on Twitter, though? I’m sure the Packers forums have some interesting opinions on yesterday’s football game, too.
The shitbag Ross reacted like a Gestapo or NKVD thug.
It’s a template. In the future, your list will include ICE Agent.
Yes, walking in front of, and behind a vehicle with it’s engine on SHOULD have made him feel danger. No one told him to walk in front of and behind a vehicle with the engine on, but if I’m wrong, and someone actually did tell him to do that, they’re the responsible party. If he made that decision on his own, it’s called contributory negligence.
And the fact that he circled the vehicle multiple times makes it clear he was trying to create a problem.
That video is tainted. No custody of evidence. The shooter had 48 hours to edit the video.
Sync up the video /audio to thwle dozen others and see if things line up? How much time was removed from the phone?
If the video conveniently “proved” his claims of self defense, you’d have a point. But it clearly doesn’t. It shows he murdered her and his claims of self defense are a blatant lie. You’re literally arguing “well maybe it was self defense because the video could have been edited by the PERPETRATOR to not show it was self defense”. Like wtf?! You’re arguing that the dude purposely edited the video to make himself look worse.
Im not saying the video proves innocence. It can be manipulated and still not help the officer. The fact is ICe/magazine arent the smartest people and I would challenge that video on the basis of custody alone.
And again, arguing custody would be arguing AGAINST the shooter. AT BEST, it would get the video thrown out and then we’d just look at the 4 other videos that all show the exact same thing. It literally doesn’t help, at all. It literally only would add a charge of tampering with evidence.
Pro-ICE voices (not necessarily people) think that the video supports the white house claims. The leaked site is right wing, and Vance shared it saying people should watch it.
It’s crazy that this video seems to be such a Rorschach test.
Yeah I’m pretty sure their take on it is “her gay leftie lover made him feel threatened”
Aka setting the "don’t worry, she wasn’t ‘one of us’ " distinction for the MAGAtts
It still could be used as a argument by the right in that way.
And it would be a dumb fucking argument considering the 3-4 other videos that all corroborate this one. Stop being removed and proposing half-assed “what-ifs”. Besides the fact that him editing it would be tampering with evidence and IS ITS OWN CRIME. Yeah, he’s just gonna admit to illegally tampering with the video to make himself look worse to create reasonable doubt… when other videos clearly show the incident as well. Ffs, I know these people are morons but you’re taking the cake.
There is really no need to use slurs.
Yeah, I don’t subscribe to that euphemism treadmill bullshit. Maybe save your outrage for things that are actually offensive, like our government murdering people in cold blood, not fucking words. This neutering of our language is bullshit and yes, some things are fucking removed and need to be called out as such. Trying to defend the shooter here is fucking removed. I stand by what I said.
And this is why liberals hate other liberals. Were discussing a fucking murder and you’re over here complaining about language. Unless you’re this perfect idealized liberal, other liberals will take the time to bring you down instead of the much more pressing and bigger issue.
Seriously, fuck off with this removed fucking shit. We NEED words for when things are so ass backwards and anti-logical. I’m not gonna sit here and wish that we “unalive the meanies”. Grow a fucking spine.
Also, dont call me a fucking liberal. Yall are bunch of politicucks.
It is immoral, ignorant, and shortsighted but i fail to see how it has anything to do with retardation. If you arent using that term clinically, which is antiquated these days anyways, then you are using it as a slur. Which is very unnecessary. I’m not mad but i do think our use of language matters. Your use of that word also makes you look shortsighted and ignorant. Your defense of it makes you also look immoral.
Edit: my point being we already have much more descriptive words for this and the use of slurs makes you look just a ignorant as them.
Now go make yourself useful and kill a fash
That’s fine, dude. I’m not mad at you,
Famous last words…
The words of someone trying not to get shot be overly aggressive masked and armed thugs.
And even that didn’t work. Maybe they weren’t afraid enough to live
the US or perhaps the world needs a reboot button
Fallout TV series is mostly about that. Reboot buttons just incentize wealthy gamblers.
Nuke everywhere from space.
Anarcho-Posadist praxis
The Red Coats should march back in and press reset.
Wait, he recorded himself killing someone?
He needed something for show and tell before applesauce and naptime.
Yeah it was his kid’s “career fair” day at school so he wanted something representative to show to the class
What? No still beating heart? That is seriously low effort parenting.
Yeah he even pulled out his gun and used it one handed
And this guy apparently does fire arms training. God help anyone getting lessons from this ass hat at the range.
Yep, and he didn’t even drop his phone doing it.
I never lose grip of my phone, especially not when I’m so feared for my life that I’d take out my gun to kill someone driving away from me.
Kinda…
Drones with 4K cameras are like 50$.
Okay yeah, true. But… I don’t understand who you think should’ve been flying one?
Uh… everyone? Anyone? You guys have more guns than people but you don’t understand who should have a 50$ flying toy?
First, have you ever flown one of those, or do you think you’re getting 247 automated drone overwatch with 50 dollars? How do you think they’re controlled?
Secondly, no, my country doesn’t fucking do that. Maybe assume a bit less.
First, have you ever flown one of those, or do you think you’re getting 247 automated drone overwatch with 50 dollars? How do you think they’re controlled?
There are many ways to get a drone to fly autonomously over a short mission. You may want to figure it out considering where your country is headed. In my country we’re forced to start thinking about it, because you guys may not fix your shit (and your defeatist attitude is contributing to that). Trump is planning an invasion of Mexico and Greenland. You need to catch up.
Secondly, no, my country doesn’t fucking do that. Maybe assume a bit less.
Your country is not what you think it is. The good Americans who want to stop it from becoming a fascist imperialist monster have not figured out or accepted what they need to do to get there. If you’re one of them I suggest you may want to rethink what your country is. You’re assuming too much about the legal and democratic systems remaining. You’re assuming the military won’t just follow orders, and you’re assuming the media and the cultists won’t just fall into lockstep. You need to fundamentally re-evaluate, and quickly.
You may want to figure it out considering where your country is headed.
You don’t read the comments you respond to? Like I said, my country doesn’t have those problems.
There are many ways to get a drone to fly autonomously over a short mission.
Again, simplifying and not specifying who should have one. You think every person everywhere should have a 247 drone buddy filming them?
Show me how an average person can use just 50$ to have a constant 247 4k filming surveillance drone on them. Link a product then.
Your country is not what you think it is.
No, my country isn’t what you think it is, you donkey. Literally. I already told you you’re assuming wrong and you just go right ahead and double down on your mistake. sigh
If you’re saying you’re not American, it wasn’t obvious from the context.
By the way the drone is not for surveillance. It came up in the context of guns, so I would think it were obvious what drone usage was intended. I’ll not go into it here, but if you want a hint look up the state of the modern battlefield in Ukraine. Guns are almost irrelevant.
Frankly having a signal jammer and a cheap tethered drone is all you need to solve problems even a gun can’t solve. Oh, and joining an improv group, if you know what I mean.
If you’re saying you’re not American, it wasn’t obvious from the context.
And nothing I said even remotely implied I am American, yet you just decided to assume that. Why, pray tell?
I would think it were obvious
What did we talk about assumptions? How are we supposed to read your mind about these hare-brained implications you keep throwing out, but refuse to actually specify?
Are you now suggesting eveyone should constantly have a tethered drone with 4k cameras, which operates autonomously btw, and has like a payload of explosives. And this you say can be acquired by anyone with 50 dollars.
And you wonder why people are weirded out?
This would have been true sooner than this point in the regime but this event is the flashpoint, if I find out that any of my relatives or family members are ICE thugs I would dox them in a heartbeat.
Even if there was 4k 360° video of Renee being murdered by this scum the Trump administration would still side with the murderer.
An incident like this is great for MAGA. This is how you find who is truly loyal. The loyal ones will back your cockamamie story to the hilt, and parrot it loudly, often, and with conviction, no matter how indefensible it is.
This separates out those who still have some vestige of morals that can still be reached by an atrocity. Those people are untrustworthy, and must be purged. They want people who will cheer when they massacre peaceful protesters.
Exactly right. I work with a bunch of ride or die maga dick riders and it’s been interesting seeing them over the last year. When the Epstein cover up started last year they all got really quiet and stopped talking about Trump for a good part of the summer and ends of the year. Then he bombed Venezuela and then Renee getting murdered has got them all foaming at the mouth for violence and killing now.
Then you should ask them about Taco’s best friend Epstein at every opportunity.
I have from time to time and they all say the same thing. “It’s all fake and a democrat hoax!” They are perfectly brainwashed cult members.
“FUCK YEAH! THIS is what I signed up for!”
That’s pretty much what they said the day after the Venezuela attack. Another thing they like to say now is how we are all gonna be rich because of the cheap gas prices.
You should ask them about the peace prize and how he was going to supposedly be the peace president.
I don’t really get how the conservatives that supposedly lost it over W and Iraq, but came back for Taco because “war bad” (yeah right) can keep all that cognitive dissonance straight?
The fact is that W’s big failings on: the economy AND Katrina AND Iraq made them feel bad because liberals were getting proven RIGHT. They needed a brief timeout, pretended to be for the made-up astroturfed “teabagger” movement (later rebranded the “tea party” when they realized everyone else knew what teabagging meant, and it made them look gay, not like they were some alpha males getting one over on Obama) and there were a lot of very sudden “independents” among us. So they did that brief timeout thing, then came roaring back and went ballz deep on being a Republican when Taco gave them a permission structure to escape their culpability for all of W’s failings AND a permission structure to be openly racist, misogynist, etc…I don’t think they really give a shit about wars of aggression being stupid and a drain on our society, nevermind morally objectionable, they just hated that the liberals were all proven correct about Iraq.
They still call Donny the peace president and that he brought peace to the Middle East and he is saving America. It’s hard to have an opposing view when it’s just me vs 9 other people at my job. Most of the time I just listen to them and laugh to myself.
It’s those types of situations where I put on my “just asking questions” mode, LOL. Stuff like “how does it count as ‘peaceful’ to be invading cities and states of America, using ICE? How does it count as ‘peaceful’ to be sending in people to kidnap another country’s leader? What would we do if another country did it to us? Donnie says he be glad to accept the Nobel Peace Prize from the winner of that prize, is that how prizes even work? Or is that just Donnie’s participation trophy? In what other case has anything like that ever happened, and the second-hand recipient of a prize ever considered a legitimate owner of that prize?”
It absolutely drives them nuts, especially if they expect to get a rise out of you. I don’t get mad, I don’t raise my voice. I don’t lecture or finger-wag. I just ask more questions; turn their answer around on them, ask them how that makes them feel, how they arrived at that line of thinking, how they personally think any of Taco’s worst behaviors and policies will benefit them as individuals in their everyday real, non-online lives, etc.
I do it mostly to plant seeds, though. People tend to just dig in more if you get oppositional. If you ask questions, and don’t get angry, it definitely changes the energy.
Here in Central Florida, the gas price pattern has been consistent for at least two years. It will drop down to about $2.90, maybe even a bit lower, and then on Monday or Tuesday, it will go up to $3.19 in nearly every single gas station in the area. Then it starts to slide down, and when it gets to around $2.90, it jumps back up to $3.19. Every time, for a few years now. Clearly, the prices are totally fixed.
But lately, since affordability has become the most serious drain on MAGA chances in the Midterms, gas prices have been lower. I just returned from a trip over the Holidays, and has is down to $2.70, or even lower.
Obviously, DeSantis is doing his part by forcing gas prices lower somehow, but rather than give him credit for helping out, that begs the question: If they could have lowered prices, why didn’t they do it before it started to get them into trouble?
Immediately after the Vemzuelan attack, gas companies said that instability in the oil market was going to cause high prices (which happens anytime a dolphin sneezes near an offshore oil rig), and usually that means the very next fucking day. I expected prices to leap to at least $3.50, but they didn’t.
Obviously, they are manipulating the gas prices, to fight the affordability issue. To counter that, I’d like to remind everyone that the average price of a new car is now over $50,000, with a monthly payment over $750. They are now offering 8 year loan terms.
BTW, cars have now become a viable, and acceptable living option. I just read about a college that is building a parking garage for student living in their cars. They could have built a residence hall for them, but better to teach college students that living in your car is a good career strategy, along with taking out tens of thousands in student loans for an education that won’t lead to a single job.
What were we talking about?
Oregon gas dropped below 3$ in some places for the first time in a long while. Oversupply is lowering prices, tightening things for domestic oil producers https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/consumers-love-cheap-gas-but-the-oil-patch-will-pay-the-price/ar-AA1TMcpu
This is the point. They don’t care.
The goal of releasing the video wasn’t to prove the NKVD agent was innocent, it was to prove that the victim was a white liberal lgbt urban woman and thus deserving of death.
It’s weird that they’d release it.
Her last words were something like “I’m not mad” and his were “fucking bitch”.
I think these people are so far down the rabbit hole that they don’t even realize that their narrative is bullshit. Nobody in the Administration looked at that video and said “shit, we have a problem” because they’re all True Believers and think they are right about everything.
They’re literally in a death cult.
Yes, they are ‘true believers’, if you wanna phrase it that way.
Thats… how fascism works, you make up what functionally constitutes a religion, based on mythic narratives revolving around blood and soil, which mentally place the adherent into the role of a religious extremist, fighting for their perverted idea of ‘justice’.
Exactly, I’ve seen people on their side saying this video makes the victim look bad…
These people are too far gone.
Some people need an enemy or they can’t make sense of the world. I’m not talking about a run of the mill competitive streak, they simply can’t understand society as anything other than a struggle for dominance. If they don’t have some sort of conflict to focus on, they make one just to quiet the cognitive dissonance they’re feeling.
I don’t know if it’s learned or innate, but it makes people easy fodder for conspiracy theories and the sort of high-functioning sociopaths we’ve been electing recently.
Or course they don’t. The only consistency in their narrative is their incessant need to be right. They say she tried to run ICE over, you show that’s not true. They pivot to she shouldn’t have been running away from the scene of the crime. You tell them there was no crime, they pivot to ICE had a right to detain her. Tell them ICE actually has no right to detain citizens they’ll say how they don’t actually know the law, they can only give their opinion and then loop back around to “she tried to run them over” so she’s in the wrong.
They’re not interested in getting to the truth, they’re only interested in being right. Since they only care about being right they also don’t care about being internally consistent. They will accept whatever contradictory bullshit as long as it means they’re right.
Bingo. Also called “moving the goalposts”.
r/conservative full on believes this video DesTrOys tHe LIbS and exonerates the officer.
r/conservative is full of morons
And bots, and Russians.
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They’re only allowing their flaired bots to post in that thread. But I have no doubt magat trash see what they want to see.
Reminds me of videos from Iraq and Afghanistan and how it made yankistanis so proud of extra judicial killings. Similar to how ISIS did for innocent people.
So out of touch with empathy.
These morons think this proves they’re right. Vance retweeted the video as said this
“Watch this, as hard as it is,” Vance wrote. “Many of you have been told this law enforcement officer wasn’t hit by a car, wasn’t being harassed, and murdered an innocent woman. The reality is that his life was endangered and he fired in self defense.”
I’ve never wanted to punch someone square in the face quite as much as Vance while watching his press conference. The level of disingeniuty and vileness from these people is somehow still shocking, and I didnt think I could be surprised by how low they could go anymore
TIL “I’m not mad” is a death threat
Yup, they don’t even see the same reality we do. As if his camera shaking was proof he was in danger.
It’s not hard for them to see the actual explanation, but they have no interest in finding it. Maybe it was shaking because he moved slightly out of the way (which the other video clearly shows) he was firing his gun? No? Right-wing Twitter just wants to feel right and not think too hard about it? Okay.
I grew up in a family full of cops and as a kid / teenager I was taken around on ridealongs in the 80s / 90s with family members. I’d be shocked if that’s kosher now, but I’m glad it was something I got to experience back in the day.
I will never forget watching cops just get out of the way and let a person of interest or suspect drive off. They’d do that, and like clockwork, say “no one outruns Motorola.” (Motorola was the wireless giant at the time.) It wasn’t worth putting lives at risk when you could just knock on that person’s door at a later date.
This guy wasn’t doing anything by the book. He was escalating, approaching a moving vehicle, he had his firearm in hand, etc. People are literally trained NOT to do everything this guy did. It puts everyone at risk. The officer, the driver, bystanders, etc.
The Party told you to ignore the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
- George Orwell, 1984
Then don’t actually believe that. They just don’t care. They’re taunting everyone who isn’t outright evil.
It worse, they truly believe it supports their version of the events.
What’s absolutely bonkers is the DHS went out and immediately called her a domestic terrorist. Our tax dollars paid to kill her and post propaganda on x defaming her.
They had to immediately make that call.
Anyone with even an ounce of brain matter sees the true story, but the Trump camp needed to quickly twist the facts to keep the MAGAts on their side and slathering at the mouth.This murder is 1000x worse, but the narrative is exactly the same as the ‘immigrants are eating people’s pets’ bullshit.
All 100% untrue, but the Trump people will continue to lie, double-down and shout their version of the story at every possible moment to drown out the real truth. Which is, they are full of shit, and they know they are full of shit, but they can’t risk showing even the slightest crack in their hold on power, as warped as it is.If you’re a Democrat your car immediately becomes a lethal weapon are you must be stopped by any means necessary - if the pedestrian is a Republican.
If you’re a Republican you may use your vehicle to kill any Democrat under any circumstances.
There’s no attempt to reconcile these two conflicting opinions…from a knuckle dragging Fox viewer to SCOTUS.
They think this is a definitive proof that she tried to kill him. They’re saying this is body cam footage and that him putting his phone down to grab his gun was him getting hit. They’ve already forgotten every other video out there.
I wish his last words were that.
It looks doctored to me.
For one thing they made physical contact which we know didn’t happen. For another, it’s 47 seconds long.
I’ve seen three videos now and the other two both appear to show contact. Those are the view from above and in front, down the street. It’s quite poor quality but seems to show the killer against the car as it moves away; and the view from behind, which is better quality but a worse angle. It also looks like he was touching the car/contacted by it as it moves off.
I did see physical contact in another video.
It looks like the corner of the car is up against him, but he put himself there and she was clearly turning away from him. Then he just pushes himself off the car as she is turning and shoots her.
Nope. It looks like it, but another angle shows it never got anywhere near him, and his first shot was after jumping back, anyway. And also, this video shows him approaching AS IT’S MOVING.
I’m not disagreeing with him putting himself on that position. I am not defending this murderer at all, but I don’t think it is helpful to claim there was no contact when there clearly was.
