No lol
ChatGPT sucks at proper answers in my experience, I tried using it to generate code or summarise documents for me, but it sucked at both.
I can google well enough to almost always get what I need, but I can also see areas where google search is pretty shit right now - almost everything non-tech related that I google gives me a shit feed of SEO-keywords-bloated pages that have no actual content.
Problem is, I don’t think any search engine still comes close to Google. I’ve tried DuckDuckGo, and it’s crap in my experience.
I’ve had good luck with Yandex, but everything else is meh.
What are your search engine recommendations?
I hate that Google no longer allows literal strings. They keep removing features from their “core” product… You can put something in quotes now, and it will still substitute it with other stuff, including what it thinks are “corrected” or “other” spellings, which are often completely different from what you are actually searching for.
Here I was wondering why my results were shite
If I remember correctly, it all began when they wanted Google+ to become a literal name, so the operators had to go. Shame. Could have brought them back when they pulled the plug on Google+.
@shufflerofrocks @dl007 Have you tried using #Google’s #SGE?
I haven’t, I tried Bard but it was not great either, so didn’t bother with SGE.
Is it any good?
@shufflerofrocks #SGE is far better than #Bard. Although I don’t mind #Bard myself.
One nice advantage that #SGE has over both #Bard and #ChatGPT is that it largely refers to relevant up-to-date information. So if you want to ask such an engine about current events, #SGE is the best chat system to ask.
Ahh SGE does sound nice, I think I’ll give it a go, then. Thanks for the recommend
@shufflerofrocks You’re welcome!
Yeah,I tried pretty basic ,it often not answering question like chatgpt would, simply list the 5 links to questions,some question get answered in summary way…
@dl007 Hmm. I found it gave me some fair answers when I use it
I’ve tried them a while ago, but you get rate limited quickly if you use a VPN :(
I have pretty good luck with SearXNG personally, but I guess you just kind of get the best (and worst?) of the engines you choose within it. It increases the overall likelihood of finding what you need in my experience, at least, so I feel like more options from within the same site is useful.
Not because of ChatGPT. But I encourage everyone to stop using Google and use one of the many other search engines. Break that Google supremacy.
Based. yacy supremacy.
I moved to a non-google search engine. The problem with ChatGPT is that it sounds very plausible and truthful, but is often just making shit up.
it sounds very plausible and truthful, but is often just making shit up.
I’ve seen someone call it “mansplaining as a service”.
ooh, i’m borrowing this, thank you
don’t scuff it!
It helps to understand what ChatGPT is, and what it isn’t.
ChatGPT does not understand anything you say. And it only does one word (technically part of a word, but to keep it simple) at a time.
What it’s doing is it is guessing the most likely next word based on the words that have come before it. If you think of you phone’s keyboard, it probably has word suggestions for what to say next. ChatGPT is like hitting the recommended word over and over until it has an answer. It’s spouting words based on how likely the word is to come next. That is all.
It uses advanced machine learning to do that, but whether it counts as AI is for the reader to decide. But it’s certainly not planning out a thoughtful answer for you.
And that’s not even taking into account that the training data largely comes from the internet, the place where people continuously make shit up.
You understand this much deeper than I do, thank you for the explanation
ChatGPT is absolutely NOT the right tool for the job if you want answers to questions. People need to understand that ChatGPT is not an AI. It doesn’t even have the concept of truth and fiction, let alone the ability to differentiate.
It is a very sophisticated and very advanced autocomplete, using probabilities to attempt to predict the next word (or tokens, if you want to get technical) over and over again until probability says it’s done. It’s great for writing boilerplate documents without any facts it has to get right, creative writing (although it tends to produce very cliche text, understandably) and boilerplate code that’s been written millions of times before in its training data. Do NOT use it for anything where facts matter.
World’s most complicated 8ball
Hehe. This! Saw someone refer to it also as “spicy auto-complete”.
How Italians use autocomplete
No I have stopped using Google because of ddg. I rarely use ChatGPT as a search tool. Maybe for recipies.
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No, Bing, I believe.
As far as I know, they use Bing and Startpage is the only search engine that uses Google except of course SearX.
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Not at all. ChatGPT is a great tool for helping with brainstorming or creating a base for further work, but I wouldn’t rely on it at all for accurate answers to questions. ChatGPT’s main function is to create responses to prompts that look like real answers. It has no inclination to give you a correct answer and really has no clue what a correct or incorrect answer is. With the amount of effort you have to put in to research and verify the answer ChatGPT gave you is correct, you’re probably better off just skipping it and just doing the research yourself.
No, I don’t see it as a suitable replacement for search.
given that ChatGPT often gives you answers that sound right but are completely wrong, including - but not limited to - dates and causes of death of the very people who ask for biographical notes about themselves, made up articles, or made up legal cases, I don’t see how can anyone use it as a search engine replacement.
Glad someone mentioned the lawyer that screwed up by including ChatGPT’s fake cited sources. It will be interesting to see what comes from this.
Additionally not a lot of people realize that they’ve signed an indemnification clause when using ChatGPT (or what that means).
Basically OpenAI can send you the legal bills for any lawsuits that come from your use of ChatGPT. So if you “jailbroke” ChatGPT and posted an image of it telling you the recipe to something illegal. OpenAI could end up with a lawsuit on their hands and they would bill that user for all of the legal fees incurred.
Possibly the first case of this we’ll see will be related to the defamation case that a certain Mayor from Australia could have against OpenAI. https://gizmodo.com/openai-defamation-chatbot-brian-hood-chatgpt-1850302595
Even if OpenAI wins the lawsuit they will most likely bill the user who posted the image of ChatGPT defaming the mayor.
Imagine being told that you’re dead.
“You died on 2 August 1979. You were on a fishing ship at sea that sank with all hands.”
You are a computer programmer, you were born in 1985, you’ve never been within 200 miles of any body of water larger than a river, and come to think of it, you’ve always had a peculiar fear of oceans and lakes.
Did the AI make up a story of your death…or is it somehow aware that that’s the day your previous life ended?
mom come pick me up I’m scared
No. You can’t trust ChatGPT to give a reliable answer to anything, really.
Tried it for work a few times. Every single time it would give good information mixed in with complete, hard to spot bullshit which would break the result. So no, I’m ignoring the thing for now except as a toy.
No. It is a language model, not a wiki. A very good model which can output correct info, but there is no rigid mechanism to restrict it to only facts.
I find too often that ChatGPT will just make things up when asking things outside of the basics. Most of the time it is just quicker to search for official documentation and read it than relying on ChatGPT’s answers being right.
I stopped using google much because of google. But no, I have not replaced searching on the web with a chat bot.
I de-googled years ago. DuckDuckGo works just fine for me and if it doesn’t I can just add a !g to my search results and it’s proxied through DDG. Proton handles all the services they can. Even put LineageOS on my Android devices.
Anyone has any other recommendations for degoogling I’d love to hear them. :-)
So no. I also don’t use ChatGPT though.
I can just add a !g to my search results and it’s proxied through DDG.
no it’s not. it redirects you to a regular old Google search result page, same as if you went to google dot com and searched from there.
You are correct. I am incorrect.
“Remember, though, because your search is actually taking place on that other site, you are subject to that site’s policies, including its data collection practices.”
in your defence, it used to route searches through encrypted.google.com, which I think was more privacy friendly, until - what a surprise - Google sunset that feature.
Yeah I swear it used to be.
I use ChatGPT to discover new programming libraries that fit my requirements as it’s much easier to relay my requirements to ChatGPT than Google - e.g. a lightweight REST framework for C, not C++, that provides a steaming json parser.
Then ChatGPT lists suggestions and then I go look up those libraries and refine my chat if needed.
But for a fact-check it’s just much more reliable to use a search engine.
