‘Number of our deserters is too high’: Ukrainians flee fight against Russia

  • JoeBigelow
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    You’re both idiots arguing on the fucking Internet jfc. Step back and look at that exchange, the both of you.

      • Madison420@lemmy.worldBanned from community
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        Yes “facts” presented without source and as an unnamed editorial from a biased source.

        Where are you getting this nonsense “most Russian soldiers are volunteers nonsense” given the fact traditionally and currently military service is mandatory and has been officially since like 1986 or so.

        • NimaMag@lemmy.mlOP
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          Where are you getting this nonsense “most Russian soldiers are volunteers nonsense”

          Putin has refused to send conscripts to the frontlines since Second Chechnya.

          This has remained the case with even the Ukrainians admitting that the Russians generally rely on volunteers and have refused to send conscripts into Ukraine.

          • Madison420@lemmy.worldBanned from community
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            So a single editorial video from 8 years ago and a single editorial neither with any sort of source and the second straight up being opinion?

            So you have an actual source with first hand knowledge that can speak against Russian drafting and notably the increase in drafting since they decided to invade a sovereign nation?

            Also the kyiv independent is… He’s me out here. Independent the Ukrainian stance officially is that they are in large part conscripts.

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              Can you prove that conscripts are generally being used in Ukraine?

              There are some cases where conscripts are used, where they signed combat contracts either voluntarily or without knowing what they signed or during the Kursk incursion. But these are exceptions, not the rule.

              In 2022, there were some cases of conscripts being inadvertently or illegally deployed to Ukraine. However, when this was found out, they were withdrawn and returned to Russia. The commanding officers responsible for the deployments were punished.

              • Madison420@lemmy.worldBanned from community
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                I don’t need to. Their main military is by legislation conscripts. The claimant who said they’re mostly volunteer needs to prove that and no a retracted editorial is not a good source.

                What’s your source dude?

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                  Their main military is by legislation conscripts.

                  And by law, conscripts are currently prohibited from serving outside the territory of the Russian Federation under any circumstances. Conscripts cannot even participate in peace-keeping missions.

                  • Madison420@lemmy.worldBanned from community
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                    And countries would never break the law right? Certainly not Russia who signed an non aggression agreement with Ukraine in 91 right?