Canada’s proposed Bill S-209, which addresses online age verification, is currently making its way through the Senate, and its passage would be yet another mistake in tech policy.
The bill is intended to restrict young peoples’ access to online pornography and to hold providers to account for making it available to anyone under 18. It may be well-intentioned, but the manner of its proposed enforcement – mandating age verification or what is being called “age-estimation technologies” – is troubling.
Globally, age-verification tools are a popular business, and many companies are in favour of S-209, particularly because it requires that websites and organizations rely on third parties for these tools. However, they bring up long-standing concerns over privacy, especially when you consider potential leaks or hacks of this information, which in some cases include biometrics that can identify us by our faces or fingerprints. […]
Well no child I know could’ve ever found porn if an adult had only blocked access…lol. The more forbidden it is, the bigger the thrill/reward of getting it.
When I was a kid, my parents always had big summer parties at our house and there was alcohol all over the place. I could try whatever I wanted (with lots of adults around - if not supervising, at least being nearby). I never cared about alcohol because casual “sampling” was never prohibited so who cares?
My kids (both under 10) have both tried mild alcoholic drinks.
When they get older into their teens, I’m making sure that as long as they are supervised, they can try any legal substance they want.
its not by accident that all the porn verification are happening in multiple countries all at the same time.
It’s never about porn or children. It’s about control, money and a fear of ones own citizenry.
For sure, only pure evil motives. Establishment needs to destroy Canada to pillage it. Wrap it up in war on China and Russia. Deliver Canadian slaves to Israel and US oligarchy.
mostly its for tracking political dissidents, once you have to “upload your id eventually”, control of the female body is just a side benefit.
It is not a slippery slope, it is the intended purpose, with a different implementation.
Anyone with a few braincells working knows that it is all bullshit this crusade against porn “for the kids” .
In the end the objective is just ever more identification, tracking and control of everyone .
It gets even worse when you think of how the improper access could be properly mitigated…
It may be well-intentioned
It may, but it is not.
If it happens I’ll bulk buy flash drives, fill em with useful tools to get around all this… Then just hand them out for free on the street corner next to a highschool.
Fuck age verification, may the people who push it die from a horrible rare cancer.
Not to be that guy, but teaching high school students to just plug a random flash drive into their PC probably isn’t the best security practice to be imparting…
Maybe a booth teaching them?
Maybe a booth teaching them?
Hey, kids! Come in my booth and I’ll show you how to access porn!
Well… lol. You could make it hey kids learn how to access things in other countries that needs a VPN, and maybe they’d be smart enough to connect the dots, but ya that’s no longer as effective heh.
You won’t need to. Students find ways around content blocks and share it out themselves. Super sketchy free VPNs in mass use, tethering to phones, using ISP-based free wifi access points piggybacking on home connections from neighbours to the school—or, in one case, the school itself, logging in with guest accounts/incognito mode, running random executables from a (frequently virus-infested) Flash drive (aforementioned VPNs, web browser, or P2P web tunnel/Tor), torrenting, DNS swapping, and also old school “sneaker net” sharing contraband files directly. I’ve seen it all. The worse part is that they, largely, don’t know enough about computers to understand what they’re doing, so they end up sharing viruses and spyware with each other. Hell, I’ve told students to stop using their sketchy janky tools and taught them how to find safe/reputable ones (like ProtonVPN) or just use a different DNS to bypass the school filter entirely. They’re doing it anyway; at least teach them how to use a condom.
Kids will find a way past the blocks and share it out. Not to access porn—that’ll just be a byproduct—they’ll do it to chat with friends and play games.
This is a fool’s errand. A massive money pit that will inevitably lead to a massive data breach and resulting scandal. And it won’t prevent a single teenager from watching porn.
It’s ridiculous that this is still being talked about in 2025, let alone being implemented by clueless Boomer politicians around the world. Ask any computers teacher in Canada if their school has ever successfully blocked students from playing games on school computers—even without web access, lol. It doesn’t even take a computer expert to know this will never work.
What a pointless waste.
Its not "well intentioned”, the silpery slope is the point. Getting porn sites to essentially self censor by restricting what geographic regions have accesss until one day its the majority of places and suddenly banning porn sites in the remaining hold outs doesnt seem like such a hard sell, and then on to other subjects they dont like.
The dark web became known as the hideout of internet criminals. Once we’re all internet criminals, it will just be the hideout of everyone. Time to drop all these commercial services that we’ve let take over the internet and go back to being anonymous weirdos talking to other anonymous weirdos on websites run by anonymous weirdos. The web was ironically a nicer place. Also a shittier place, but at the same time a nicer place. This is why we can’t have nice things.
They will try to ban websites run by anonymous weirdos.
They can try. Bans require enforcement, and they catch a few of us weirdos from time to time, but the hydra always grows more heads.
It’s always referred to as age verification, but it’s ID verification. It’s the introduction of a regime where you can’t use the internet without everyone knowing exactly who you are, and without the government being able to track your activity via your ID. Governments around the world are making what must surely be a coordinated effort to end anonymity, and thus privacy, online. In other countries this has gone along with a push to end encryption for phone calls and chat, and a push to outlaw VPNs. Canada’s government is embarking on a program that’s very hostile to its own population.
I was never excited for Carney (and the Liberals’ continuation of power), but I really didn’t think they’d anger me as much as they have been*. Yes, I’m happy we don’t have PP in power, but at times it’s feeling like we may as well have reached the same outcome minus the culture war shit.
I really hope the NDP makes a strong comeback**
Edit (corrections):
*Apparently it was not a bill put forward by Liberal MPs
**The NDP actually supported the first bill of this kind so they’re not much help in this situation
I’m not one to glaze Carney, but for the benefit of factuality - this bill was proposed by a senator, not a Liberal MP under Carney. We’ll see whether it goes further.
Thank you for the correction, I’ll update my comment
Afaik this is a senate bill and similar to s210 from last parliament, the NDP voted in favour of that one last session which I’m extremely disappointed about, I recall the NDP being pro privacy in the past, which totally got some of my friends interested in them in the first place.
It’s even more disappointing that the liberals were the only party with Nay votes on that one. I realise that wasn’t passing this bill but still, unimpressed.
Edit. This showed up earlier too in s203 back a few parliaments ago. Senator Julie Miville-Dechêne is the sponsor on all of these.
Ah, you’re correct (sadly). Now that you mention it I remember the NDP voting in favour for that which is depressing to say the least
The only way this would be acceptable is if they built a trustless authenticator. Until then they can fuck the hell off.
The tech exists and has for decades and is battle hardened. It is called zero proof knowledge but Centralized power wants nothing to do with it as it is a decentralized technology. It is ok, as we will be forced to move towards decentralized services the more we wade into the new AI/Quantum Age as anything Centralized is a sitting duck for being hacked and hacked often to the point that they become useless.
Nooooo, I thought Canada was very far from this bull shit
So did I 🥲
Call or write to your MP. Let them know that no one wants this.
Stop that garbage bill that will expose your data to criminals in data breaches.
How about instead we ban propaganda and bots?
But that would be impossible, you know. And we can’t just go around controlling what people say and think and consume, you know. Because free speech and such and so forth and so on.
collects lobbyist payment
That’s always been the point.
