Disney Channel animator Dana Terrace did not hold back in her social media response to CEO Bob Iger’s AI announcement, encouraging fans to ‘unsubscribe’ from Disney+
It’s just as moral as not using Google.
/semi-s
Her show is the Owl House.
And her new show not on Disney+, Knights of Guinevere, looks amazing and insane
Did it get picked up? I loved the pilot
Pretty sure Glitch funds their own shows from merchandise sales, no picking up required.
I was sure they just made the pilot, which would then be shopped around.
They did a great job, though, and I’d love if they did the whole series.Our first 2D show is HERE! So much love & care went into every aspect of this pilot and we’re so happy with how it turned out.💙 Now we’re looking at funding a full season. Support us by getting some merch! ► https://kog.store/ No pressure though, hope you have a great day!
– Pinned post on the KoG pilot.
I didn’t find a source in my quick look around, but I think Glitch is trying to shop some things around under a sub-label for things that won’t be available on their YT, at least not initially, like with Amazon or Netflix doing the distribution. I don’t think KoG is one of those projects, but I’d have to find the source to be sure.
Well, that’s great news. Thank you.
ROT13
Trg vg urer: uggcf://rmgik.gb/fubjf/34863/gur-bjy-ubhfr/
Shouldn’t we use ROT26 or better yet ROT52 by now to keep up with crypto analysis computing power?
I say we do it like 3DES. One forward round of ROT13, then one backward, then another forward. (3 rounds total.)
This does beg the question of how the public is expected to adhere to copyright law when these giant companies have exploited and violated copyrighted materials universally to build the LLM databases they use to save money and cut jobs to produce ‘quality’ art. This goes beyond the bullshit rhetoric we have to endure from their sponsored political goons, that asserts that job creations is sacred but ALSO it’s great that these companies are cutting tens of thousands of jobs because they’re investing in AI. Bottom line, I’m not losing sleep over people making copies of digital media these companies produce this way, and not just because data can effectively be copied for free, but on principle There isn’t even the pretense of selling a disc in a case anymore, it’s just bandwidth and storage space, most of which is provided by the end user.
If I am ever questioned about my piracy, I’ll just say I am training AI.
An AI “ingesting” content is no different from a person “consuming” it.
Sure, but then the AI reproduces it on demand for others without giving any sort credit, often generating profit for either end user or owner. Unless you’re arguing that’s fair use, I don’t see how you get around that violating copyright. If I take somebody else’s work and pass it off as something I made you would likely treat that much less favourably, and I think that’s just another reflection of how we culturally permit the biased application of law to capital interests; Sam Altman himself publicly stated if he had to acknowledge copyright in the operation of his AI model (the same as every other major LLM owner) it wouldn’t be a viable product, which translates to “if I can’t steal this property I can’t make my billions of dollars”. You either care about property rights or you don’t, or you’re fine with a multi-tiered legal system, which I’d say is no law at all.
If Disney rolls their own model (or finetune), that’s not really an issue for them specifically? They have plenty of access to their own IP, stuff they already license, openly licensed data, and massive tooling for synthetic data generation.
…If they just wrap Sora, the irony would be tremendous, yeah. That’s the absolute quickest and laziest thing to do and they could namedrop ‘OpenAI’ in earnings calls, so there’s a good chance they’ll do that.
In that case, yeah I fully agree, and that’s an interesting argument. Like with Bezos’ new AI initiative, Amazon would have an immense pool of their own data to pull from, and Disney certainly owns a hell of a lot of properties. I do think it’s naive to assume that’s what’s going on, and Disney wouldn’t be doing what every other multinational corporation engaging in AI training is doing, which is scraping any and all dataset they can get access to regardless of propriety since arguably ALL data is useful. Could be I’m just cynical but fastest, laziest profit turns out to be plan A in almost every case these days.
Disney wouldn’t be doing what every other multinational corporation engaging in AI training is doing, which is scraping any and all dataset they can get access to regardless of propriety since arguably ALL data is useful.
There are actually very few ‘big’ model trainers, or at least trainers worth anything.
OpenAI, Anthrophic, xAI, and Google (and formerly Meta) are the big names to investors. You have Mistral in the EU, LG in Korea, the ‘Chinese Dragons’ like Alibaba and Deepseek, a few enterprise niches like Palantir, Cohere, or AI21, Perplexity and such for search, and…
That’s it, mostly?
The vast, vast majority of corporations don’t even finetune. They just use APIs of others and say they’re making ‘AI.’ And you do have a few niches pursuing, say, TTS or imagegen, but the training sets for that are much more specialized.
…And actually, a lot of research and ‘new’ LLMs largely mixes of public datasets (so no need to scrape), synthetically generated data, outputs of other LLMs and/or more specifically formatted stuff. Take this one, which uses 5.5T of completely synthetic tokens:
https://old.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1p20zry/gigachat3702ba36bpreview/
That, and rumor on the street is the Chinese govt provides the Chinese trainers with a lot of data (since their outputs/quirks are so suspiciously similar).
Hence, ‘scraping the internet’ is not actually the trend folks think it is. On the contrary, Meta seems to have refuted the ‘quantity over quality’ data approach with how hard their Llama 4 models flopped vs. how well Deepseek did. It’s not very efficient, traning models is generally not profitable, and its done less than you think.
Point I’m making, along with just dumping my thinking, is that Disney is a special case.
Their focus is narrow: they want to generate tiktok-style images/videos of their characters, and only their characters. Not code, not, long chats, not spam articles, just that. They have no financial incentive to ‘scrape all the internet’ beyond the excellent archives that already exist; the only temptation is the ‘quick and dirty’ solution of using Sora instead of properly making something themselves.
I appreciate the well thought out response.
I’m already there, matey.
Pretty much. Originally subscribed for the Simpsons.
Unsubscribed after all the Star Wars garbage.
Then forgot if I did during the whole Kimmel thing and tried to unsubscribe again.
The people who are still subscribed throughout all of Disney’s various controversies aren’t suddenly going to grow a moral backbone now…
It starts somewhere. For some people, why not now
Uhm… yes?
Showrunner, but sure animator works. Feels diminutive, though.
Like, would you (the article writer, not OP) call Steven Moffat a writer if you were writing an article about a beef he had with the BBC?
In no context would I ever call Steven Moffat a writer.
SLAM!
Slammin’
THIS IS JIMMY
The irony of AI cartoon ads all over the article page for me
Where’s your ad block?
Maybe stop using Elons musks platform if you want to act righteous?
But also yea people should stop using shitter
Twitter. Just always call it Twitter.
I’ve always called it Twatter, never stopped.
i will always call it twatter, and it will always be ok to deadname corporations
Well
Hm.
I know corporations aren’t people, but I’m uncomfortable with a line where you’re okay with deadnaming.Deadnaming a megacorp is a PR/branding/market positioning issue, which is s completely corporate, for profit process - and the micro-decisions are based on & result in ultra-processed slop/end branding campaign designed to increase revenue.
People just trying to live with themselves don’t do that.
(Ok, I’m sure someone in a country without a McDonald’s legally changed their name to “McDonald McRibs” just prior to McDonald entering their market to get a quick micro-settlement pocket change from the franchise, but it would be morally wrong to use that as an representative sample. In about the same way equating megacorp deadnaming to actual human deadnaming would be.)
Also never boot-lick megacorps, they aren’t your friend & they don’t need your help (just want it bcs it’s free labor).
I’m not defending corporations. I’m asking where the line is, for you. It seems to be “when I can justify it”.
It can’t seem to be that from what I’ve written.
It’s clearly “when it’s a person”.
That’s where the very clear and unambiguous line is.
that’s like saying don’t have sex with consenting adult, because it justifies having sex in general, including non consentual.
deadnaming is for people. like kicking, it’s bad to kick people, but ok to kick a ball. no one will say that I’m promoting violence by saying it’s ok to kick sport balls.
corporations aren’t people, they don’t change their name to be their true self, they do so for marketing reasons to whitewash whatever baggage they have. fuck em
Maybe don’t call it “the thing I say when I want trans people to feel bad about themselves” then
go to a trans community and ask if it’s ok to deadname twitter. go ask. I’ll wait.
Go ask people that don’t like getting kicked in the balls if they are ok with the act of kicking an inflatable, inanimate ball-shaped object for recreation?
A pitchfork obeys only the person holding it.
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I say again:
If “slammed” is not followed by “through the annoucer’s table”, use a different word.
Blasted?
Badinaged.
Or you could stop wasting your energy being angry about it because it’s not going to stop any time soon.
Not really angry about it, just annoyed.
Like when I see people with their windshield wipers set to Warp 12 when it’s barely raining. It has zero impact on me or anything I’m doing, but it triggers a mild irritation.
People really need to start speaking with their wallets because these companies are going to continue to load their platforms with cheap shitty content and more and more ads until they get some pushback. But people won’t, or at least it doesn’t feel like it will break any time soon.
