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This is building consent for a US war on Venezuela.
Nobel war prize more like, considering the people they award this to.
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I’m getting vibes now that she’s s cia plsnt like the last guy
That is an impressive amount of ass kissing. Well done.
Further proof that the NPP is bullshit. Like the one they gave to Obama.
…what the hell is going on…?
…our task: conquer Freedom
That phrasing sounds like they’re against freedom.
They are! Freedom needs a good conquerin’ now and then
cma man cma.
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Machado is anti-chavismo and has disagreed with other sections of the Venezuelan opposition.[102][103][104] In 2011, she campaigned as a promotor of “popular capitalism”.[104] Machado supports the privatization of state-run entities in Venezuela, including oil company PDVSA.[70][103]
That’s the only reason she won. Americans want their oil
The USA does not determine who wins the Nobel prizes.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH you really think that?
The USA are the one imposing their diplomatic narrative.
Doyou have any idea how the award recipient is chosen?
Are you seriously suggesting that Noble Peace awards are beyond influence and corruption.
The criticism of the process of choosing candidates is widely regarded because it is obscured and otherwise secret in nature.
Not to mention sometimes they fuck up. It is may not even be their fault, as they can’t control a person’s actions before of after the prize is given.
Prove it then. Offer up the material proof of the USA directly determining a winner or maybe consider that we do know who chooses the winners and it is former winners. The US government isnt going to have much sway.
Prove what. That they can be corrupt and make bad picks.
The US could or could not have sway. I am not suggesting they do, just saying it could be done.
I believe former winners nominate people, the actual decisions are made by a five member Norwegian Nobel Committee.
But it is such a useless statement? Everything could be influenced by something or someone.
KatManDoo obviously sees the peace price committee as a puppet show played by the US. This is obviously not the case and stating ‘but they could add pressure, theoretically, maybe, possibly’ is not adding anything else but realism conspiracies
GAG
Tldr: orange man, you cool, wanna restart Operation Condor?
Maria clearly doesn’t understand how authoritarians work. They can never be placated or satisfied. There are no small victories to give them to keep them happy. The more you give them, the more that they demand.
Perhaps she’s not interested in democracy beyond using it as a vehicle to get herself in the driver’s seat.
bingo
Idk, pretty much the only two things I know about her are:
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She opposes Maduro, and Maduro certainly doesn’t want any form of democracy: he used his power arrest opposition and election officials right before the results were called last time. Official charges were terrorism.
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She won the prize that Trump wanted.
So she sounds good to me.
The irrepairable brain damage in a simpleton starts with: First, the CIA are part of team “good guys”. Next the simpleton does not notice the 100% corelation between simpleton understood democratic leaders and moderate opposition parties forming pro CIA policies, and simpleton understanding of autocratic leaders with extremist parties who oppose CIA policies.
Selling PVDSA to Chevron is only a good idea for someone who could have the power to broker the deal and get a nice bribe to get Chevron the best deal possible instead of the people of Venezeula getting the best deal possible. Chevron will simply have a supremacist advantage in bribery power.
I’m having a hard time parsing this. Are you implying democracy is bad because the Venezuelan people have more bargaining power under a dictatorship?
Just because the CIA tells you an election is rigged, because and only because they lost at rigging it, doesn’t actually mean that there is no democracy. Similar to Trump 2020 complaints. Narco terrorists that campaign on gifting PVDSA to the US is not that much of a shock. The corrupt CIA outcome being the only democratic outcome is how every NATO country operates.
Would democracy in the US be stronger if Trump had awaited all of his trials in military prison, or had fallen out a window? If Christozionist establishment didn’t make Charlie Kirk a Protestant saint? Establishment definitely exterminates speech they don’t like, and more of that happens in US than elsewhere. Since the CIA does not love Venezuelans, exterminating CIA traitor speech is more democratic than not doing so.
Repeating the first step, The CIA/US empire are not on the “good guys team”. Everything that comes out of their mouth is a lie, but especially commentary on any election results they don’t like. You cannot proceed to enlightenment without getting past the first step.
It just seems like Maduro having his opposition and many members of election staff arrested before the results are announced isn’t a thing that happens in a fair democracy.
And that’s not by the account of the CIA, it’s by the account of Maduro and his administration.
Hell the only thing I know about her is that she’s flattering a fascist dictator and and seems to be hinting around asking said fascist dictator to invade her country. Sounds pretty fucking abysmal to me.
Oh that’s not the only thing:
In 2011, she campaigned as a promotor of “popular capitalism”.[104] Machado supports the privatization of state-run entities in Venezuela, including oil company PDVSA.[70][103] Machado has supported the international sanctions during the Venezuelan crisis,[70]
The international sanctions lead to widespread hunger in her country. She’s evil.
He’s getting played, like every other deal he ever makes.
Payed*
I’m a consequentialist, hard to say if Mad’s regime would survive overnight if it meant war with the USA, but certainly can’t be any worse than leaving him in charge.
The woman supported sanction that lead to widespread hunger in her own country
Hitler before the popular front innit? Anticommunists always end up supporting the weirdest people lmao
Ah yes I remember when Hitler came into power by removing Joseph Stalin. /sarcasm
It’s not a strange stance to hardline on that leaders should be democratically elected and never serve more than 2 terms.
Oh it’s so so could be worse.
Yes, it could be so much worse with Madorko in power, at any moment, it could also be so much worse with any other absolute leader in power. There are no different levels of evil at play here that we need to be worried to the point of leaving him in power just to be safe. So, Venezuelans better get to playing musical chairs until their government lands on a real democracy.
Let me guess, the “real democracy” will sell the oil industry to the USA.
*retard you mean
Of course she does. You always have shit takes.
The only reason she’s there is because she want to privatize the petrol industry. Americans are thirty for oil, episode 29
The USA doesn’t determine who gets the Nobel prize
The USA are the one imposing their diplomatic narrative. This is a clearly a political nomination. She supported the sanctions that literally starved her own country. She’s a piece of shit.
She might be shitty but the narrative that she was chosen because ofAmerican interests makes no sense when Americans do not choose who gets the award.
I swear I seen that moron around
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Isn’t that the reason she’s trying to reestablish democracy in Venezuela, to get rid of an authoritarian leader she knows can’t be satisfied?
A fake democracy where she will let the usa define the policies and profiting from venezuela oil
Sure mate
Woof. Imagine having faith in the Trump regime.
Just look at the failure of the arab spring
She can hardly be blamed for that can she?
The parallel can be drawn since the USA and other western countries was involved in the post Arab spring. France fought to keep it’s neo colonial influence in Tunisia. In Egypt , the USA was involved in taking down Morsi and put Sisi instead who is serving the USA and Israel interests .
She is be the same type of traitor. She doesn’t hide her support for Trump and supporting military intervention in Venezuela. Do you really believe the USA help any country for charity? It doesn’t matter how harder it could be but Venezuelans should remove Maduro by themselves with no foreign interference
They tried that didn’t they?
You think she’s goading Trump on to see if he supports her over her opponent?
No, I think she’s trying to flatter Trump to make sure the US still supports a democratic transition in Venezuela. Trump doesn’t need to be goaded into not liking Maduro, even if they’re both authoritarian lovers
have you seen how Murica “supports democratic transitions” around the world?? you can’t possibly be this naive
I’m not Maria Machado
yet you have no issues pretending to justify her behaviour?
I answered a question with what I think she does when she’s tweeting??
This is also the reward he apparently coveted most. Frankly she might be doing this just not to be directly targeted by him negatively.
I have no idea, but i wouldn’t want to be the person who beat Trump for this award, the dude is not afraid to kill civilians in cold blood.
He only coveted the award because Obama won one. Nothing more to the story. After Obama handed him his ass at the White House Corespondent’s Dinner, it was game on.
If you haven’t seen that, have a quick look at history being made. Only reason Trump ran.
I would, I would rub it in his face from the deck of a ship in the gulf as USS turrets turn to watch me float by.
Respect.
Trump likes communists and socialists who flatter his ego just fine, just look at his boy trip to N. Korea. Maduro’s problems are 1: he didn’t do that and 2: Trump is gagging to invade someone
Aside from his strong friendship with Jeffery Epstein, I don’t think Trump liking or disliking ever factors into his decisions. I think everything is purely transactional with him.
Was transactional, and you could bet on how he would act. Now grandpa does as he’s told. Not being funny. His dementia has been sliding off the cliff since '21 or '22, he’s very near free-fall.
Look at the general’s meeting and his UN address. He’s fucking gone.
At this point I’m surprised his handlers let him speak in public. How long can they sustain that and what comes next?
That have nothing to do with trump omg the US is drolling on venezuala’s oil for the last 3 decades.
Imagine appealing to one dictator, in the hopes that they can help you get rid of another? It doesn’t get much stupider than this. I guess that Nobel Prize doesn’t apply to regime change requests?
Nothing says Peace Prize like Conquering Freedom in dedication to Donald Trump.
I was wondering if the Conquering Freedom bit was a poor translation earlier, guess we have an answer.
And she’s gone…
I think one of the reasons she was chosen was to protect her from murder or imprisonment. If something bad happens to her it will make the Maduro regime look terrible.
