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Yes Ukraine is free to ignore them. The western coalition funding Ukraine’s war effort is also free to stop doing so. I’m not saying this to express that I wish Ukraine to be pressured to settle, but instead to highlight that Ukraine is not a self-reliant actor in this conflict.
Here, in the US, people have difficulty accepting that America doesn’t have direct influence on all other nations.
Wasn’t Ukraine willing to have peace talks last year until our good pal Boris Johnson came in and wrecked it all?
I believe the peace talks fell apart once they discovered evidence of all the rape and murder committed by the russians.
Do you know anything about Ukraine or what Zelensky campaigned on for his election campaign? Do you know what Ukranians want? Are you Ukrainian?
I know they consider themselves a free, self-governing nation who can negotiate their own terms.
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Russia seems to be completely reliant on others economically and militarily also, but that doesn’t seem to matter to you
Russia has its own military industrial complex that it inherited from USSR that currently outproduces all of NATO, and Russian economy is currently growing according to the IMF. If you can’t understand the difference between that and Ukraine then what else is there to say.
Russian MIC innovations (from the USSR days) was largely driven by Ukrainians, but that’s neither here nor there.
What Russia has are deep stores. They cannot produce new aircraft without importing parts from the west. Not fixed or rotary. They are ramping up production of missiles, but so is Ukraine.
Russia cannot even produce ball bearings. They aren’t producing new APCs, BMPs or MBTs. They are importing ammo from North Korea ffs. And seeing how badly their equipment has performed, I expect to see their weapons exports collapse. Their vaunted “Armata” turned out to completely suck.
As for the economy, it is being artificially propped up by depleting foreign reserves. They are currently over-borrowing yuan to attempt to correct. And you really have to be a complete idiot to believe any official Russian data.
Russia is holding on for dear life in the hope that Trump wins the elections.
It’s almost like we live on different planets.
Imagine genuinely believing all that. It’s pretty amazing to see what guzzling western propaganda out of a firehose does to a mf.
Growing in the sense that it has lost growth year over year.
4.3% in 2021 2.4% in 2022 1.8% in 2023
inb4 you whataboutism with some other country…
and US mainstream media is now saying what I’ve been saying here for a while you’ve been ridiculing https://www.19fortyfive.com/2023/09/with-all-due-respect-to-ukraines-foreign-minister-we-will-not-shut-up/
This is an economic war with the west, so yeah obviously what matters is whether Russian economy is doing better or worse than western economies. Screeching whataboutism when faced with that really highlights the quality of your intellect.
using disorders as an insult is ableist
Did Putin campaign on committing genocide? Is that what Russians want? I don’t think so.
Strawman argument you’re not worth engaging with.
I’m just mirroring your comment.
I know it’s hard for a NAFO bot to understand, but Ukraine lost its sovereignty when US overthrew the democratically elected government in a violent coup.
Lol
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I don’t believe this for one second. I haven’t heard anything from the Ukraine administration that would suggest in any way that they are interested in peace talks. In fact, their recent choice of putting a Crimean Tatar as the Minister of Defence suggests that they are serious about taking Crimea back from Russia. I hear nothing but absolute resolve by both the Weat and Ukraine to keep fighting until a Ukraine victory.
I hear nothing but absolute resolve by both the Weat and Ukraine to keep fighting until
a Ukraine victory.Until the last Ukrainian. That’s what I’ve heard too.
I heard that all the time too. From Russian propaganda mainly. Is someone else independently claiming such theories as well?
These are justifications to give the people of USA as reasons to keep supporting them. Especially the conservatist side needs convincing right now, because their tribe is at odds with this particular war for some reason.
I feel you are falsely juxtaposing these different things as similar. USA is not throwing ukrainians against Russia, they are supporting a people who are fighting for the survival of their nation.
US conservatives are relatively supportive of the Kremlin because key party leaders have ties to Putin.
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I know you people don’t consider Ukrainians actual humans with agency but they fight because they are forced to do so by Russians. And if they stopped fighting they would be eradicated by Russians. Whether the West wants them to resist Russia or not has no weight in that.
I’ve seen videos and articles that suggest that many Ukrainians fight because they are forced to do so by other Ukrainians. And what do you mean eradicated? Do you know of some secret extermination camp nobody else knows about?
Show proof of your bald-faced lie propagandist
It’s openly reported in western media ignoramus https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/02/26/ukraine-finds-stepping-up-mobilisation-is-not-so-easy
So liberal western media is trustworthy to you now?
From your link:
Not all who get draft notices are actually inducted; sometimes the notices are simply a way to get every potential recruit on the books. Even for those who get one, there are ways of getting around it. There are legal exemptions for illness and disability—either of the draftee or of a dependant. Single parents and fathers with three or more children are off the hook as well. Students can defer service. Certain professions also receive what is known locally as bron, or protection from call-up.
The government has extended this to key workers in the energy, transport and agriculture sectors. Many IT staff have six-month exemptions. Alex, an IT professional who handles his company’s relations with the government, says the state understands how vital his sector has become to the war effort. “It’s one of the only areas of the economy still generating hard currency. Many of us are also working pro bono on military projects in AI, surveillance, counter-espionage and other classified technologies.”
From another economist article:
Ironically, though, Ukraine’s army is built on conscription as well. For years Ukrainian law has demanded 12 to 18 months of military service from Ukrainian men, even if many of them manage to postpone it through studies or parenthood (registering with a fake address is a popular trick to duck it entirely). The practice of conscription itself, like so much else about Ukraine, is a relic that it has tried to shed: when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union, all its men had to complete at least three years of military service. Four of Ukraine’s last five elected presidents promised to abolish it. One succeeded in 2013, but it was reinstated the following year, after Russia began grabbing chunks of Ukrainian territory. Last month, just before the war started, Mr Zelensky proposed an end to conscription by early 2024.
Almost like it’s far more nuanced than “being forced to fight”. But you and your tanky buds will never admit that none of this would have to happen if Russia didn’t invade Ukraine in an unprovoked war of aggression
As to your buddy’s genocide denial, I’ll just leave this here
I love how you just keep peddling debunked nonsense here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8kt9RUpYqk
And no, it’s not more nuanced than being forced to fight, the regime in Ukraine is literally kidnapping people off the street and sending them to die on the front lines. Meanwhile, human garbage such as yourself keeps cheering that on. You are an utter scumbag.
They’re fighting because the last time they didn’t fight russia they had the holodomor.
They haven’t forgotten.
Yeah have you heard about the weapon supply talks with North Korea?
Kim jong is completely resolute to fight the west, to the last Russian 😢
Great, another Hexbear brigading thread. Hexbear needs to be defederated, it’s a bunch of fake communists spreading authoritarian propaganda.
Agreed. Hexbear and lemmygrad idiots are pretending to be all for peace and yet support the war mongers in russia.
These instances are a magnet for dishonesty and propaganda. Plus they have a 4chan attitude towards discussions, i.e. they keep shifting goalposts if you press them and throw absurd statements at you while doing so. There is nothing redeeming of those places.
They didn’t even read the article either clearly lol
One Baltic official, requesting anonymity because of the sensitivity of the topic, told The Hill that Baltic states are concerned that pushing Ukraine into negotiations will have dangerous ripple effects throughout the region.
This is the “fears of peace talks”
The Hill is propaganda? Do you even hear yourself?
I didn’t say that and I’m pretty sure you know that’s not what I meant.
There’s a lot of silly and disingeneous people on this app, I have to take their written word at face value. You seem to think ad hominem attacks are worth detracting from the article published in The Hill, a news source that would normally fit your ideology. So even when your own trusted media is reporting that Ukraine’s a geopolitical and moral mess, instead you’re claiming it’s a group of people spreading propaganda. I think you don’t care about Ukranians you just want to be right.
cry ab it, oh wait you already are
Russia has done horrible things to the Ukrainian people for a good century now. I hope the Ukraine doesn’t get pressured into giving its land and people over to Putin. Any deal needs to give Ukraine all its territory back, and for Russia to keep its military off their border.
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I’m pretty left leaning, and I’m against any fascist state trying to turn its neighbors into vassal states for its interest. And yes, that means being against a lot of what the US does as well.
Are you making fun of someone for parroting US talking points, while yourself parroting Kremlin talking points?
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So everyone who doesn’t agree with your (completely Russian aligned btw) views works for the US state dept? Are you in high school or something?
Coal mine. It’s high school for Russians.
Are you even aware of who invaded Ukraine and started the war?
NatO DiD iT
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Well, tell your buddy Putin to pack it up and go home. You do want the war to end, right?
If it’s a proxy war, that means that Russia attacked Ukraine to get back at the US, not the other way around. This means it’s on Russia to stop the war, by giving back an innocent country’s land that they stole.
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What has
UkraineCzechoslovakia allowed to have happen [sic] to it’s [sic] ethnicRussianGerman population comprising a decent portion of theeast of Ukraine[sic] West of Czechoslovakia done during it’s [sic] time?The settlement of the Czechoslovakian problem, which has now been achieved is, in my view, only the prelude to a larger settlement in which all Europe may find peace.
- Neville Chamberlain, British Prime Minister, September 30th, 1938.
More context:
The Munich Agreement[a] was an agreement concluded at Munich on 30 September 1938, by Nazi Germany, the United Kingdom, the French Republic, and Fascist Italy. The agreement provided for the German annexation of part of Czechoslovakia called the Sudetenland, where more than three million people, mainly ethnic Germans, lived.
What about what about what about…
Worst fucking title.
Fear of peace? That’s pretty fucked up.
It would probably be a good thing if there can be an end to conscripts killing conscripts.
It really depends. If Russia gets to keep territory it conquered, keep children it kidnapped, not pay for the destruction and murder it wrought, see sanctions lifted and proceed to immediately re-arm and continue on its path of indoctrinating children into becoming fascist warriors for the next round, I wouldn’t call that peace.
Sure, but that’s an expectation of demilitarization by nuclear powers, not a cessation of warfare.
Wow, that is some bad title. I would say concerns are justified if Russia can just keep annexing chunks from other countries. It started with Georgia and Ukraine and we can see the same events happening in Moldova currently.
Also if Russia were to share a proper border with Poland then that’s pretty much guaranteed WW3, Poland hates Russia with a passion.
Fears of peace
USA swines: Dammit how the peace can happen
Pull your nose put of Putin’s ass. Putin doesn’t want peace, he wanted to steal juuuust a little bit more and at this point he just hopes not to be assassinated by his cronies for fucking everything up
You probably love the ass eating fetish too much I guess. Go back to the Warsaw Pact and tell me who broke it in 90s for “western expansion”, or why did US ex-VP Dick Cheney said their goal is to balkanise Russia, or why there were biochemical factories in Ukraine near shared Russian border.
I love how you just make shit up without any evidence.
I take it you really believe that Putin is executing a three day special operation to rid Ukraine from Nazi’s?
make shit up without any evidence
Can you stop projecting and tell me where Putin ever said this?
Putin is executing a three day special operation
Are you kidding? This is what has been claimed countless times since day one of the invasion. It’s the official position of the Russian government.
Fuck Putin and fuck you
Claimed countless times by deez nuts. You have no official source from Russian government as proof. You rely on the Big Lie aka “what has been claimed countless times” by West. Do you have a brain to think for yourself, and check if something is even true, regardless of how much it is repeated ad nauseam?
Let some fresh air in your head, headass. And think by yourself for once.
https://www.rt.com/russia/550408-special-operation-putin-donbass/
First result on Google. Rt is the Russian government controlled news agency.
It quite literally has the words even in the URL. And this is one of MANY announcements about the “special operation”
You’re either a troll, Facebook conspiracy theorist, a paid Putin puppet or just a really really dumb little boy.
It’s not “peace” if Russia gains territory. Then it’s capitulation.
“Mother Russia is strong”
Oh god, you are funny.
Mother Russia is near death at this point. The world has seen that the Russian army can’t even invade small parts of a country that is a fraction if its own size. Corruption in your army os so rampant that your vehicles have been falling apart by themselves.
Mother Russia is the laughing stock of the world, at this point and due to the genocide being perpetrated, it’s also hated and a black sheep for decades to come.
Russia won’t be able to get high tech equipment anymore dor anything.
Your mothers lost their sons because all the smart and rich ones fled the country. Phuket has a nice “alternative invasion” of young Russian men that fled your country and its a single example. Young men that now are removed from your economy and that is on too of the thousands of dead of your shitty laughingly called “smo”
Rich countries no longer want to trade with Russia so your mother is limited to the few countries left that will squeeze her balls because they know they can.
Be careful mother Russia, china has seen how disgustingly weak you are and might help a few other areas in Russia to revolt and become
independentChinese pawns.Mother Russia is fucked, and if you don’t know that then you’re even more pathetic than I thought.
“SMO” really shows where you get your info from. You support a dictator / maffia boss, you support genocide, and you are on the losing side.
Your shit army couldn’t even invade a country properly because of all the corruption going on and now you’re being kicked out.
Russia is the laughing stock and black sheep of the world and it will take decades to rid itself of that mark. Your smart and strong men flew the country because fuck that, they’re not dying for Putin’s bullshit. The only few counties left willing to trade with you are squeezing your balls because they know they can. Russia hasn’t been this week since it’s founding, and you better start worrying about olgout other borders and your internal affairs. Russia is what it is because it suppressed millions. Now that it’s falling appart, those suppressed will stand up, and china, I’m sure, would love to annex a piece of Russia.
You’re fucked.
…I’m sure Ukraine would gladly put down their arms and watch Russia fight eastern European countries instead, if they really want to make this their fight instead of Ukraine’s.
Fears of peace talks
Seems like mask off moment. Now i will read the comments if i suspect the resident liberal warmongers are still on their lines.
EDIT: The condensed copium cloud over liberal posts is even denser than imagined, with multiple layers.
my thought as well.
How can anyone has fears of peace talks. jfc
I’m guessing they fear that like in 2014, they will have to concede land to Russia, which is what they did NOT want to do. It’s not the fear talks they fear, it’s the result.
This is great news
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I feel attacked.
I wish all the westies cheering this war on would sign up for the foreign legion and go fight the orcs themselves.
No one is cheering for the war, no matter how many times you say it.
People may cheer for Ukrainian independence, or for their victories, but no one wants the war to continue. The war can end today, if only Russia decides to give back all the land they took by force, including Crimea.
You’re building a strawman.
Ukraine doesn’t have any independence, no matter how many times you say it. Ukraine has a puppet regime that’s throwing the people of Ukraine into a meat grinder so that US can fight a proxy war with Russia. Meanwhile the only straw man here is the whole RuSsIA CaN JuSt GivE AlL ThE LaND BacK as if that’s a realistic scenario. Russia is winning this war, and the west is losing. There is no situation where Russia just packs up and goes home now. The only question is how many people are going to die before this war ends and whether there is an Ukraine left at the end of it.
Anybody who supports continuation of this war is absolutely cheering for continued death of people of Ukraine and the destruction of their country.
Oh, Russia is winning this war? Is that why it didn’t end in their estimated 3 days? Is that why Prigozhin marched on the Kremlin? Is that why they’re asking North Korea for weapons now?
So much winning.
Imagine looking at what’s happening with Ukraine’s offensive and still not being able to understand that Russia is winning the war.
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