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We will see in four years (or less depending if anything horrifically dramatic happens). But when violence has to happen, get ready to exercise your second amendment rights.
Ah yes war mobilized state of Germany with the support of majority of Germans behind it famously known to be stopped by violent protests.
And if you see someone being taken away by fascists, make sure you and everyone else watching dont do anything except film it to post on social media. Maybe if you’re feeling adventurous you can tell the brown shirts what theyre doing is bad, just make sure you dont do anything to actually stop them.
Bro thinks it’s a gun fight against the US military 💀
worked out for this guy:
although to be fair he did get shot to death right before.
There are more guns than people in the US. Guns don’t stop fascism, if they did we would not be here now. Furthermore, the majority of 2nd amendment gunholes are ready to support ICE not fight them.
This meme is stupid on so many levels.
Fascism can’t continue if the fascists are dead. You gotta fight smart.
And this is why I am a proud gun owning liberal.
Armed minorites are harder to oppress.
Didn’t the gun laws in California happen specifically after black Panthers open carried near a town hall?
Could be misremembering
You are not misremembering.
Ya, and this is where they really started to fix the “armed minorities harder to oppress” bug…by making sure the gun possession of POC happened within their constraints. IE gang violence, drug war, commodity fetishism, rugged individualism all to replace grass roots organization and useful gun ownership. YN with the never ending need for for new NIKES, armed with the strap and slinging rock for cash is preferable to armed class conscious community organizers.
I’m a proud gun owning leftist and please don’t confuse me with a liberal
Good for you. Nobody asked.
I, for one, appreciate the distinction! 😃
Did someone hurt you?
Edit: checked your bio. Someone definitely hurt you.
Democrats really love to take guns from people.
Democratic jurisdictions are usually under may issue laws, meaning, the police can use descretion to deny you a permit, and a permit is required in order to carry a gun.
The. Fucking. Cops. Have the authority to fucking deny you the ability to defend yourself.
Like… what?
Sure, lets let those pigs trample over your constitutional rights. Can we primary all those anti-gun dems?
Edit: So the Supreme Court struck down the most of the “May Issue” laws in 2022. Now its mostly “Shall Issue”. Ironically, the liberal judges wanted to uphold those laws, while the right wing dipshits judges ruled to struck it down. Broken Clock, twice a day, you know.
oh, they’ll confiscate that soon….
3d printer and some pipe.
If the guy with the splatoon gun can kill the Japanese president, Americans can make a gun at home for sure.
wasn’t the united health CEO is also killed by a 3d printed gun?
Yep
I can confirm you can make a shotgun pretty easily with a trip to the hardware store and as long as you properly rust proof it, it’ll last quite some time. Especially if you have a way to purchase thicker than normal wall piping. If you don’t have a drill press and welder already, it’ll be a little expensive.
Partially 3d printed aemi-auto is slightly harder, but again can confirm quite reliable if done right, and accurate as fuck if you properly rifle the barrel.
Myanmar has done quite well with the FGC9…
they can try
We don’t have to like it, but it’s undeniable that cops treat protestors in plated vests with rifles different than they treat protestors in tshirts with signs…
Armed minorities are harder to oppress.
The reason Cali has strict gun laws is ole Ronny Reagan got scared when he saw Black men with rifles marching in formation.
Well, it mostly depends on what the protestors are protesting.
Why We’re Organizing No Kings Protests on Saturday–A king is only a king if we bow down
For the would-be dictator, success depends on projecting power and creating an aura of inevitability. They need you to believe that Trump is the new normal, that the MAGA movement will be in power for the long haul, that the only rational move is to go along, keep your head down, and protect your own interests.
In short, it requires a countless number of people in a countless number of places to do something that the Trump regime doesn’t want them to do, or to NOT do something the Trump regime wants them to do. That’s how we shake off the aura of inevitability and halt the autocratic breakthrough.
For that to happen, people need to feel like we’re part of something bigger. We need to understand that we’re part of a movement. We need to feel like we will win.
https://www.howwefightback.com/p/why-were-organizing-no-kings-protests
I sure felt better at Saturday’s protest. 2,000 people there, in the reddest part of Florida, and that wasn’t the main protest.
Just kept saying, “Thank god thank god. Had no idea there were so many sane people around here.”
And BTW, I conceal carried my Colt .45. What a heavy PITA. The gun pictured (Beretta 92FS) is my next pistol!
That is one of the biggest powers of a protest. It lets people know they are not alone. When we know we have backup, we are a lot more willing to act. If enough people act together, even giants fall.
Just gonna link this tired old post over here
I keep seeing that study:
From what I can tell, it works backwards from a conclusion the authors already held. They excluded peaceful events that weren’t “noteworthy,” labeled protests as violent if police instigated violence, and narrowly defined success windows for violent movements while crediting peaceful ones for regime collapses that likely would have happened anyway.
Since the study was published, a wave of high-profile failures—the Arab Spring, Occupy Wall Street, BLM, etc.—has shown that the effectiveness of nonviolence has drastically diminished. Even the study’s lead author has acknowledged that modern authoritarian regimes now use digital surveillance and media control to neutralize peaceful dissent.
The study also ignores the reality that mixed-strategy movements—where one faction remains peaceful while another escalates—are often more successful, yet it frames nonviolence as the only legitimate or effective tactic.
this is not the conversation ending truth-bomb some people make it out to be.
scholars have contested the selection methods and conclusions reached in that original survey/article. for example, several of the “successful” countries on their list have since regressed into dictatorships/unrest.
not trying to debate or be contrarian, but I think folks who lean heavily on the non-violence strategy should consider that the success of nonviolent moderate protest movements may have something to do with them being perceived as more palatable to the ruling class than the violent opposition alternatives. therefore, simply making violent alternatives widely known and believed to be credible threats, actually serves to push moderate people towards the less scary less radical faction of the movement.
Throughout history, like 99% successful rebellion against authoritarianism has been violent.
Source: Historian.
The only successful non-violent over-throwing of an authoritarian occupation either had the leverage of violence, or brought attention to the issue by those who used violence :/
I sure don’t have any qualms about nonviolence succeeding because the oppressors realize they don’t want to see the violence.
lol right? Yeah they ARE famous for that ACTUALLY
Neat, a meme!
ok im sick of this bullshit.
i swear many people on lemmy seem to think only one way or another. no middle ground anymore.
There is a place for violent and non-vioent protest, and they can coexist. In fact they SHOULD coexist. Those engaged in violent protest however, should not be protesting openly in my opinion, and they should not be protesting in public, the forms of violent protest i think of is more assassination. Getting rid of maga cultists and maga cultist politicians that enable them. However i do not think assassination in terms of guns or bombs. i think poisons, viruses, fucking with maga cultist’s houses to make them less safe in a more invisible way (creating a gas leak or electrical issue). The reason i think this is that it is harder for these moron cultists to combat, most of them do not understand more subtle violence, yes i know this is fucked up. And i REALLY hope it’s not neccessary, but i feel we (america) and really most countries have a difficult time figuring out when actual guerilla warfare becomes neccessary.
Personally i would think of anyone who does such things to be about the same as luigi mangione who was obviously wrongfully imprisoned and thankfully there are others out there doing the real work. Also such things probably won’t be put in the media anymore, they will hide it because luigi mangione galvanized a lot of people, they don’t want martyrs, martyrs galvanize us all into resistance.
I am not saying you should do this. I am saying that there is room for both and for some reason both sides of this same fight are against eachother. Another way to do it would be to have backup protestors nearby in gear IN CASE things DO get violent. I think both of these are viable for “violent protest” the violent protesters in the latter case are backup for the peaceful protestors since if you dont have a weapon or any intention of committing violence on your oppressors then you will need someone else who is very willing to do so, and in my opinion, someone who enjoys it.
As “givessomefucks” said “We don’t have to like it, but it’s undeniable that cops treat protestors in plated vests with rifles different than they treat protestors in tshirts with signs…”
but this is why violent protest should be done subtly and NOT in large numbers, your goal as a “violent protestor” is more to support the peaceful protestors WITHOUT compromising their own goals of peaceful protest. So these two methods seem the most viable to me. They are right, you cant go into the protest with weapons and gear, that’s why you need to be a LOT more subtle than this.
If things spill over and peaceful protests stop working then yes, violent protest might become the only real option in public. until then do NOT compromise peaceful protestors.
I love these posts. Americans couldn’t even be bothered to get off their asses and vote, but you expect them to coordinate a violent revolution against a goverent backed by the most powerful military the world has ever seen and a surveillance state with access to just about every movement and thought just about everyone has had for the last 10 years or so.
Good luck, hopefully you don’t get hit by a hellfire missile with swords strapped to it while you’re sitting on your porch that was fired from a reaper drone 50 miles away.
Americans couldn’t even be bothered to get off their asses and vote
People don’t not vote just because they’re lazy. Thats not how people or politics work. If the masses are not engaging with your political system it is because they do not feel engagement with it can be beneficial to them. It means are so disenfranchised that they do not see any reason to engage. It means overt fascism doesn’t scare them because their lives are already too miserable or busy to think about politics and the opposition doesn’t appeal to them because the only thing they offer is the status quo with the most minor of changes. People not voting should be the most obvious evidence that your political system is not working for the people.
Edit: also, no one chooses revolution. Revolutions are imposed on the people by those who make peaceful change impossible. Its gonna be fascism though to be clear. Our domestic petit bourgeois is far too strong and far too scared of losing their privileged positions.
People don’t not vote just because they’re lazy.
lol
There’s also the people that have to chose between feeding their kids and missing work to go vote, etc, or who are disenfranchised of their voting rights simply by how onerous it is to vote.
lol k
An interesting take on warlordism
