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    Amongst other allegations, Courtney Love said they had oral sex when she was just 12 years old.

    More about the allegations against him here.

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    Most people, conservative or not, could post this image and garner basically no pushback on it whatsoever. Who wants to be the person who’s like “hey pedophiles don’t deserve that.” Like, even if you thought the message was grossly violent, you would scroll past so you don’t have to engage in this dumb bullshit.

    Not Ted Nugent, though. One of the few people who can post “I hate pedophiles” and get himself buried.

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      Conservatives equate all of LGBTQ+ with pedophiles though. That’s why they use the phrase “grooming children” to describe talking about anything even remotely related to it, including the mere existence of it.

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          Anyone that wants to continue forcing harmful laws on human beings that are unlike themselves.

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            Wouldn’t the reps and dems fall under that categorization as well, though? I’m not even being facetious. I’m genuinely wondering how we use the word now.

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                Sure. But it’s not a belief. User jtk said that conservative people are “Anyone that wants to continue forcing harmful laws on human beings that are unlike themselves.” Both of the parties I mentioned consistently do that, so I made an inference. Maybe the other parties in the USA will do that, too, but they haven’t been given an opportunity to degrade themselves in this manner. By the way, you lot keep downvoting, but I’m legitimately trying to understand. I’m not challenging your beliefs, nor do I take offense to them (though it won’t matter if I did take offense, as that won’t stop me from respecting your beliefs and fighting so that you can keep having them). While I know many who claim to be conservative, none of them fall under the categorization that user jtk defined, so I’m confused as to what being conservative means. By the way, I do not consider myself conservative. Or, at least, I don’t think I am. Again, I honestly don’t understand what that means, but by user jtk’s definition, I definitely am not. (also I’m not dem or rep). I tried googling it, but there were pages and pages of conflicting information, which left me more confused than before.

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                  Thanks for explaining, I think I can see where you are coming from.

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                  Which harmful laws are voting dems attempting to preserve? There are quite a few bad things the voters are attempting to get politicians to act on, e.g. incarceration rates, drugs, police reform, health reform, gun policy, etc. but they keep getting no action because the competing party is loudly fighting hard for the opposite of all those things and all the dems have to do is say “at least we won’t make those problems 1000 times worse.”

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          But the cons at the forefront do. If your one of the ones that doesn’t, consider strongly how the conservative mindset leads so many to that conclusion and/or why they vote republican to further that agenda.

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          Not every con is a child raping traitor, but every con is okay with child raping traitors. Cons love child rape and treason. The Republican party is the child rape and treason party. The conservative movement is the child rape and treason movement. Quite literally every conservative without exception.

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          Yes, all conservatives support pedophilia or at least don’t mind it enough that they keep voting for pedophiles like Matt Gaetz.

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    We’re all talking about how bad of a person he is, but not enough about how stupid he is.

    I mean… if I literally wrote a song about wanting to have sex with a 13-year old girl four decades ago you could catch me dead before you see me ever mentioning anything related to minors or pedophilia in the rest of my life. Posting something like this is pretty much asking for people to dig up all the shit you did. Like I never heard about him before this and the first thing I know is that he’s a pedo. Great job I guess?

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      Yeah, I knew of him and that he’s generally a pos in terms of his politics just from seeing headlines of posts, but TIL because this shithead had to make a sign. It’s the very same as how I learned that Kid Rock came from a wealthy family because he had to shoot cans of beer. They’re really good at outing themselves.

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    I respect but also feel sorry for people who are sexually attracted to children, but manage to control themselves. They have to work extra hard constantly just to not be monsters, while the rest of us never even have to worry about that.

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      Well this is certainly a thing that someone typed once. I’d counter that it’s not simply that people are innocently attracted to children and therefore deserve sympathy. I’d say there’s more involved in that attraction. You can’t reasonably engage in any romantic or sexual abuse encounter with a child without there being a totally lopsided power dynamic and a high degree of exploitation. I’d argue that for all such people this is what draws them to it. Within that context it’s not some innocent ‘miswiring’ of the brain but instead an individual that is completely unhealthy and mentally unwell that is entertaining the idea of grooming some child. That’s the part they are after.

      I know there’s a movement to try and see pedophiles as anything but what they are and you can sit and have thought experiments about ‘the ones that act vs those that don’t’ but at the end of the day you are left with a deeply unwell individual that desperately needs inpatient psychiatric treatment, psychiatric medication, extensive counseling, and total separation from any children.

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        Exactly - they need treatment and help so they don’t act on it - but with the demonizing that’s happening I’d guess that most of them are too scared to open up and try to fight their urge on their own.

        I’d guess that pretty much no-one wants to normalise pedophilia in a way that makes acting that attraction out normal but making it more normal to talk about if and seek help similar to how depressions aren’t nearly as stigmatized as 50 years ago

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        Well, you’d be wrong. Pedophilia is well studied. It’s attraction to children, and there’s a huge amount of variation in how that is expressed and how the psychology around it develops through a person’s life. Baselessly claiming that all people with pedophilia are just rapists who want easy prey is unhelpful nonsense.

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          After all, the word stems from the suffix “philia” which means tendency or affinity towards, as opposed to “phobia” which means aversion or separation from. Philia is used for a lot of words as a suffix for literally meaning affinity towards, like in the word “hydrophilic” or affinity towards (bearing) water, but it can also denote interest or attraction as in “audiophile” (interested in audio), “cynophile” (interested in or lover of canines/dogs), or “gynophile” (interested or loving of women).

          Here’s the definition and further background about “pedophile”.

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        That is absolutely a worthwhile argument. I definitely agree with you about treatment, medication, and counseling. Total separation from children is probably for the best, as well. If these people can be helped, they should be - not just for their own benefit, but for the improvement of society as a whole.

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        Yes, they need treatment – and threatening them with torture and death will discourage them from seeking treatment.

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      I respect people who […] manage to control themselves

      That’s such a weird thing to say though.

      Imagine you are in love with someone but they are not interested. Do you take pride in the fact you didn’t rape/groom them because you “managed to control yourself”?

      We’re not animals. Controlling your sexual desires should be trivial for any decent human being.

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        Controlling your sexual desires should be trivial

        Maybe it should be, but is it actually trivial? Addiction in general is a real thing, isn’t it? For someone with say an eating disorder, maintaining a healthy diet isn’t trivial at all. Paraphilias are different morally where they involve harming others and not just yourself and so it’s more important to not act on them, but I’m not sure that means it’s easier for a person with a paraphilia than it is for other sorts of people struggling with controlling their behavior.

        IMO what it comes down to isn’t whether these people deserve sympathy though, the more important consideration is preventing abuse. To me what the OP image shows is that the “just kill 'em all” attitude is unhelpful bullshit leading to pedophiles and abusers hiding in plain sight. What would be better is a conditionally supportive community that knows what they are and keeps tabs on them well enough to make sure they stay away from kids.

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          Feeling sexually attracted is not the same as addiction. If it starts to feel like withdrawal from addiction you have something else going on as well (for example an actual sex addiction). Additionally, pedophiles aren’t necessarily exclusively attracted to children.

          I do think they should have access to mental health care and they obviously shouldn’t be incarcerated or threatened with death. But having respect for them for not abusing children is taking it way too far.

          I also don’t respect serial killers for every day they don’t murder someone, I don’t respect racists for every person they pass without punching them, etc.

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          Thank you. Your response is better than mine would have been. I especially like what you have to say about the “‘just kill ‘em all’ attitude “.

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        I get what you are saying but I think it’s probably easier in general for people in normal relationships because even if they get rejected, they have an opportunity to form a relationship with someone else. Someone attracted to minors never gets that chance. They aren’t allowed (for good reason) to even try.

        Obviously pedophilia isnt a great thing and pedophiles who abuse children should be punished severely, but I don’t think it’s a choice to be born attracted to minors. So it’s unfortunate for them. Definitely not an easy topic.

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        Welp, it’s clear these aren’t mentally well people so something that’s just expected from normal people can be an achievement for them.

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      I have a sneaking feeling that I’ll need some popcorn when looking at replies to this comment. I’ll be back later

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          No, I’m glad you posted it. It’s a valid point and I agree with you. Living in constant fear, disgust and denial must be exhausting and terrifying.

          I’ll be keeping a close eye on the comments so this remains a civil discussion.

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        Your point is valid, but my assumption when reading this comment is that Nugent is not someone that falls into op’s sphere of empathy.

        Completely agree that Ted definitely does not appear to have exercised any restraint on his urges.

        Not defending or attacking op’s comment, just trying to read it correctly.

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      And even when they do control themselves consistently without fail, most people would still look down on them if they knew…

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      Oof. I was in the car today and Rick James’s 17 came on and I felt dirty just listening to it.

      A little girl came up to me, acting young and shy

      A look of curiosity was flashing in her eyes

      She had seen my face before and thought she knew me well

      So I said “Shall we talk some more, you’ll come to my hotel”

      She was only seventeen, seventeen

      But she was sexy

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    These celebrities really needs to find better hobbies than posting on Twitter/X.

    Like shitposting on Lemmy.

    Also, ew, Ted Nugent.