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Littering and… Inciting an insurrection
Impeach him to CECOT
Impeaching the president while his party holds every office is like asking a football team to vote on their own penalty calls. Flag on the play! The referee is asking the violating team … no, they all agree that no penalty has taken place, the game resumes.
Especially when Republicans are traitors to the country and are collaborators to 47’s crimes.
This country is finished.
Well, as hopeless as it is, forcing votes like this has two effects
- Forces the House to all go on record for/against it. I think Trump and the GOP have pissed off enough of their own base to hurt them in mid-terms. I hope so, at least.
- Takes time off their “do all the evil” clock. If they have to go through the motions to vote on stuff like this, it’s less time they have to do damage elsewhere.
Will it succeed? Almost certainly not But it’s not a useless thing, either.
You have something here. MAGA does not like this Air Farce One gift. The corruption is obvious, even to the childlike idiot minds of the street level MAGAts. He could be impeached for it because he is bypassing congress (again) as he needs permission to accept such a gift to the USA … nevermind that it’s a gaudy gold jet that he gets to keep.
I think Trump and the GOP have pissed off enough of their own base to hurt them in mid-terms.
Just to be clear: you’re talking about the base that has been though all the criminal trials (and convictions), the global embarrassment, the fascism, the attempted coup, the racism, the sexism, etc.
…and still reelected it?
Bring more and faster changes against democracy to prevent this in the future. You barricade yourself further and further until even riots are no longer possible. How can you have your head so damn deep in the sand. Riots are the only thing that can help! Trump’s head on a pike
Oh no! Hasn’t he been impeached twice already? Like, what other conclusion can society draw but “impeachment is entirely theatre”?
Congress has an obligation to impeach presidents that break the law. Its like a cop should still arrest a criminal even if the mob boss can get them off and back on the street in hours.
Or what? What happens if congress doesn’t remove him? There is zero reason for the Republicans to go along with this since Trump is giving them everything they want
What do you mean or what? As I said its like the cop who arrests the criminal who skates but arrests him again if he catches him in a crime and again and again. He is obligated to. Congress is obligated to impeach presidents that break the law. Others can vote against it but he is breaking the law an impeachment was put into the constitution to handle the situation. Even if corruption elsewhere in the government can stop it from working.
It’s been shown to be absolutely meaningless since Nixon. And i bet he regrets resigning in whatever special hell was reserved for him. Every impeachment vote/proceeding has been am absolute joke. There is no actual mechanism to boot the president out of office if he refuses.
Edit: sorry i completely dodged your original question. Congress has to begin an impeachment process or what? There is mo actual consequence for anyone who chooses not to
It was due to a concentrated effort at establishing FOX, et al as propaganda sources, that have enabled him to get away with such blatant criminality that Nixon couldn’t have dreamed of. Republicans set out specifically to prevent them having to do that ever again, knowing full well they’d be committing crimes in higher office in the future.
again it does not matter. they have an onus. just like the cop. impeachment was put in to use for problems like this and the onus is there regardless of if it works. They still need to do it. Similarly its an abuse of power to impeach when not warranted or on a technicality like clintons.
Oh well, better not do anything at all then. Clown.
Clown?! How dare you!
I’m not saying don’t do anything. I’m saying impeachment is theatre to appease people like you who apparently still believe it’s worth the time and effort of people who could otherwise be perusing actual solutions but won’t because, since it’s still not obvious, neither left nor right gives quite enough of a fuck about you to bother. Yet, anyway.
It’s the only lever they have available to them. NOT doing it is just giving up
What other solutions do these specific people have? Impeachment is the tool afforded them by their office for this problem. Sure, other people should be doing additional things, but what exactly does the impeachment process prevent these specific people from doing?
So this is going to remove him from power?
It’s going to put him in prison?
It’s going to stop or impede him in any capacity?
We know what the answer to all of those are, so why waste time doing things that don’t help at all?
I want the people who are supposed to fight back to fight back in ways that actually matter and effect the situation.
Clown
We’re not allowed to talk about the things that would remove him from power, except very very obliquely.
So this is going to remove him from power?
It’s going to put him in prison?
It’s going to stop or impede him in any capacity?
Yes. An actual, honest to God, liberty loving impeachment would do this.
No. His third impeachment will not accomplish this but you don’t not do it just because you think you know the outcome. You log all the cowards and traitors that reveal themselves in the failed vote for when it’s their turn.
So when are we allowed to get mad at the only people in positions of power to oppose fascism doing theater in place of stopping fascism?
You’ve been allowed to be mad at Republicans for not upholding the rule of law in the first two impeachments since they failed to uphold the rule of law in the first two impeachments… That’s when
Cool I’m mad at the Republicans.
They need to be stopped.
I’m mad that the only people in opposing positions of power, the Democrats, are doing theater instead of stopping the Republicans who NEED TO BE STOPPED.
How do you recommend they personally stop fascism? Republicans control all three branches. Impeachment is their only legal avenue of recourse. Do you want them to do something outside their legal options? How exactly does getting arrested do anything but reduce their power to effect change?
I think if democrats did things necessary to actually impede them people would want to support them instead of people starting to think they are complicit.
If they get arrested it makes headlines and more people get engaged.
If they grew a spine it would be a good thing.
did things necessary to actually impede them
Like what though, specifically?
If they get arrested it makes headlines and more people get engaged.
Which probably isn’t worth sacrificing their vote and presence. Do they let Congress vote from prison?
I mean it’s pretty much all they an do unless Americans want to exercise their 2nd Amendment right as it was intended.
Put him in a bigger peach this time so he can’t get out
I think you’re mistaking it for inpeachment.
Someday the public will realise that impeachment isn’t the actual removal of someone from office, and in fact (AFAIK) there really isn’t a mechanism in place to do that other than shaming them till they quit of their own accord or imprisonment (and technically they could still perform their job from a cell)
The House can impeach and the Senate takes that impeachment and decides if to remove from office. So there is a mechanism, but it doesn’t work so well when one major party is so far up the presidents ass they would never vote to remove
We do need another failsafe mechanism, perhaps a way for the people to remove a president from office
“No confidence” voting would be great too, but at this point I’m not convinced it wouldn’t result in the same problem with the MAGA cult astroturfing the fuck out of every vote.
Republicans in Congress are traitors to the United States of America, so this won’t go anywhere. Still worth getting on the books though.
Exactly right. It’s like expecting the Nazi party to convict Hitler.
Republicans are traitors to the Republic.
And it will mean exactly nothing. Just like the last two? three? times.
true enough. In a way I prefer futile attempts being made than nothing at all though.
Incoming: all Republicans and at least 2/3 of Democrats vote not to impeach.
The democrats will yet again shoot themselves in the foot with this one especially if they vote not to impeach. It sends a clear signal that everything the administration is doing is Totally Cool and Legal™©®
All according to plan
Won’t matter, won’t change anything or cause so much as a held fart by the fat orange fuck.
Until apathetic Americans get off their asses and vote in primaries, local elections and general elections that aren’t just about president.
Local elections impact who’s a judge, impact who’s a state house or senator – those are who determine state laws – including participation in the NPVIC – as well as Board of Education members banning your books.
Primaries are where you pick who’s the good candidate for the general.
Are you sick of the trash candidates, are you sick of Chucky giving stern looks at most to push back against fascist agendas? It’s the primary.
It’s the local elections that determine districts. It’s the small local elections and state elections that either enable or fight gerrymandering.
Stop bitching about how things are and take action.
Democrats, December 2019: “Impeached! It’s now officially on record that this crap won’t stand!”
Democrats, January 13, 2021: “Impeached! Insurrection? Are you fucking kidding us?! We are officially on record again that this just won’t stand!”
Democrats, May 2025: “Alright, that’s it. We didn’t want to have to do this, but I think we might just have to go on record again… Let the record show that all this gestures wildly everywhere is straight-up terrible, and it won’t stand!”
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However, few Democrats have voiced support for impeaching Trump since he returned to office in January since measures are unlikely to go anywhere with Republicans in control of both the House and Senate. Trump was impeached twice during his first term in office, but was acquitted by the Senate in both cases.
They aren’t called “Do Nothing Democrats” for no reason.
I mean they physically can’t do anything right now, that’s what happens when you remove them from every lever of power and Republicans are left to police themselves.
I must be imagining something other than what actually happened every time republicans were in the minority. Because I swear they had done anything and everything to prevent any sort of progressive legislation, perpetuated elections being compromised without basis, and controlled their narrative past the storming of the capitol, while not being in the majority. Or did I dream all that?
Stopping the government from working by breaking it doesn’t do anything to… Prevent Republicans from stopping the government from working by breaking it.
The last times Dems had this level of control was from 2009 - 2011.
I’ll assume what you’re referring to is during Joe Biden’s time in office where the did not have an effective majority as a single defector could block Congress.
On the opening day of the One Hundred Seventeenth Congress, the U.S. Senate was comprised of 51 Republicans, 46 Democrats, 2 Independents (who caucused with the Democrats), and 1 vacancy. No candidate received a majority of votes in the general election for Georgia’s class 2 seat or in the special election for Georgia’s class 3 seat. Runoff elections for both of the state’s Senate seats were scheduled for January 5, 2021. Democratic candidates won both elections. Following the inauguration of Vice President Kamala D. Harris on January 20, 2021, the Senate had a Democratic majority, comprised of 50 Republicans, 48 Democrats, and 2 Independents (who caucus with the Democrats). The Vice President is able to cast tie-breaking votes in the Senate. See United States Senate, “Party Division,”
https://history.house.gov/Institution/Presidents-Coinciding/Party-Government/
I think you misunderstand me, what I am rhetorically asking is why Democrats are seemingly incapable of manufacturing the same discontent for their own purposes. Obviously not looking up to the republicans, however tried and true their playbook is, but the dems have been outwardly afraid of critisizing their own even when there’s any given political or moral imperative. See: Biden stepping down at the last convieveable moment, thus not conducting primary elections even when he initially ran for one term.
On the contrary, see: “RHINOs”, to an almost militant capacity they rooted out any potential adversaries in their own party to further their aganeda, simutaniously feeding narratives of party righteousness and locking in the rhetoric to their base of support. The dems couldn’t be bothered to ecen try to co-opt the most vocal advocacy groups in their favor.
Now my opinion, it’s too late for a hypothetical playbook to correct this trajectory. I believe that justice and liberty as under the constitution should not be entriely beholden to institutions that have demonstrably rolled over in their duties. And I think Dems hold such an accountability that is not in anyway equal to the damage being conducted by republicans, but by giving a voice to the “DINOs” like John Fetterman who in a heartbeat are willing to betray their party’s principles, they perpetuate what the opposition wants.
Okay we agree, I misunderstood.
BRB, I’m going to go throw plastic spoons at a police APC until it blows up.
If this leads anywhere please ping me.
Unless this is bipartisan I don’t give a fuck since it won’t matter
Wake me up when he’s removed from office
This time I am sure it will stop him. /s
