You can block it, but defederating doesn’t seems like a good idea for me.

I’m very aligned with lgbtq ideas (even if i would like better that the notion of gender itself stopped existing, so that people would stop discriminating themselves for dumb reason and be more diverse, but that’s another subject)

But i think defederating from instances you don’t like (except the Very Bad instances) would just make the fediverse more and more torn apart.

One of the coolest things of the fediverse is that you can navigate across instances, ideologies, without the need of using multiple accounts, it’s fe-diverse! If it is to stop that, then lets just go back to forums, it would be easier.

Plus instance wars have always been a dumb thing. (personal opinion and instance which will get me roasted lol)

yea let’s defederate.

somthin somthin terf-tankie-whatevr… somthin along those lines… i dun evn kno whad those words mean

seen a couple of TERFs get bullied off of my fedi TLs lately and it warms my heart

If there is content on defederated instances users want access to they can make accounts on other servers.

Not to automatically assume that these users want to see hateful content, but as generally small that Lemmy is, some users might feel that defederating from such a massive server not worth the lack of content and communication. Blahaj does great with protecting trans users I appreciate this, but I would suggest to consider the overall health of Lemmy overall and what such a drastic action might have on their own community. Could it results on the communities activity to decline due to less interaction?

There might be some bad communities and some other good ones on lemmy.ml, with activity and if the largest servers are defederated, now users will have to make multiple accounts on other servers and hope that they can see certain content, when it use to be if they wanted to make multiple accounts just because.

I don’t think anything significant would be lost by dumping ml. two years ago sure, the platform was too small but now ml is just annoying. I don’t know how the governance of that sever is set up. but if nutomic has control of the domain, its more a question of when will he decide to change ml rules. I trust ada to make the call when federation with ml becomes a problem. guess i’m just chiming in to reaffirm that for when the time comes. don’t know how lemmy as a platform grows long term if nutomic retains any level of control over it. but i’ll probably just be following you fuckin weirdos onto the next platform so it’s not that big a deal. maybe it could be a nostalgic return to internet forums.

Multiple states: “Let’s literally use the force of law to ban trans people from existing.”

This jackoff: “Hmmm, I just don’t know if the bourgeoisie is really against trans rights! It’s so hard to tell!”

I’m not going to weigh in on the defederation issue. I don’t use enough .ml communities to know how this guy’s views reflect in the moderation policies of the instance. But fuck him in particular.

Is this guy even real? lmao at this point he might as well admit to being a christo-facist

I think defederating almost any instance is dumb, not my instance though so do what you will.

I personally blocked ml a long time ago and my experience is much better for it. Their moderation and userbase leave much to be desired. As far as nutomic, I would say it seems like hes not a good person from what I know, and especially this post.

This feels like cherry picked examples to try and frame nutomic as being transphobic. Its always this one screenshot, of a comment made in response to something else that I have never seen posted any of the times this has been brought up. A response without context is kind of sus.

Being uninformed or misinformed is not bigotry. There was a time when I probably would have said something similar, before I learned more, and knew better. I don’t think this is strong evidence of a real issue.

Until the point that he makes more questionable statements about trans or lgbtqia2s+ people, this is fine as far as I’m concerned. I don’t think what I have seen so far is actionable.

Edit: from reading Ada’s comments in this thread I endorse her stance.

From the very strict enforcement standards of this instance, the DM was enough to warrant a ban for nutomic, but not enough to warrant defederation for ml. That seems fine until or unless more information comes to light.

I personally haven’t seen any transphobic posts on .ml so I don’t see a reason to block the whole instance. I also see some folx ITT taking issue with the left-leaning user base of .ml, but I don’t think we should enforce political views that aren’t related to LGBT rights here.

It’s the first time I see the transphobic original message, and honestly I’m not surprised to see it within ML community. In general, they and the ideology is already rather cultish given their beliefs and the shunning of “wrongthink”, but there’s a smaller subsection of ML’s who genuinely believe in this kind of reactionary chauvinism that’s a complete bastardization of Marxism.

There’s probably no one on this specific community who goes “hmm maybe there’s some merit to that statement”, but in case there is:

Trans people exist, and much like proletarians, their experience is shaped by our society and material conditions. They suffer through medical gatekeeping, discrimination and state violence among other things, all of them stemming from structures of capitalist domination, and just because occasionally some bourgeoisie opportunistically exploit these issues to garner support/profit from rainbow capitalism and the like, doesn’t mean you should go full reactionary.

I saw this earlier in [email protected] and it’s pretty bad. I’m in favor of defederation, at the very least to help cut some of .ml’s network effect on the Fediverse. Since many of their communities are insanely large and they’re also very well known for banning people for let’s just say less than justified reasons. Nutomic’s transphobia is really the last straw in my opinion. If people are interested in looking for alternative to popular .ml communities, [email protected] is a good place to look.

I don’t think anyone needs to stop using or break away from Lemmy like people say. Lemmy is open-source and can easily be forked. Lemmy’s devs don’t have the authority to deny people from using Lemmy either. Instances operate independent of them, and since many instances are already here and using Lemmy, switching to something completely different and incompatible would be extremely damaging.

Personally, I don’t think his shitty views necessarily translate into .ml moderation policy and action, which to me would be the problem that defederation is meant to solve.

That said, I wouldn’t mind defed-ing from them in general, as most of my unpleasant interactions in the fediverse have been with .ml users.

Ultimately, I’ll back Ada on what she thinks and decides. She’s very level headed and strict with other instances as far as blahaj zones mission statement is concerned, and I trust her completely.

Tankies showing us how close to right wing conservatives they really are. How unusual /s. Makes one look at this particular crowd’s big push to not vote in elections against a wannabe bigot fascist a little differently…