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    This kind of punishment first mentality can be unlearned or acculturate against, but it’s probably a primate thing, not a white supremacy thing.

    The earliest written laws were already largely punitive and Hammurabi predates white supremacy. Aboriginal Australian legal codes involved a lot of retributive not restorative practices too - spearing in the leg was a common legal recourse. And those codes probably predate the existence of whiteness by tens of thousands of years.

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        Sounds like the stance someone would take when they don’t know world history lol

        It’s ignorant to think that eastern and southern history isn’t full of the same vengeance as the north.

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    Neutered justice doesn’t give out the same high as reckless vengeance.

    It’s like “yay, we punished the billionaires by taking away their unreasonably hoarded wealth and are going to responsibly redistribute it to the programs that need it most. Though the difficulty of equity and logistics are going to be a pain on the ass to whoever has to deal with it, we are happy knowing it’s the right thing to do.” Vs “yay, we shot the billionaires so let’s get drunk and par-tay! And if tomorrow sucks, we’ll shot it too! Fk yeah!”

    In-the-moment has a higher priority than long-term hardwork and dedication because it’s actual, tangible rewards vs potential, imaginary rewards.

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    This is why Titus Andronicus is one of my favorite Shakespeare works.

    “Everybody’s either dead or sad, and it was all pointless and avoidable because nobody chose justice over revenge. Learn from this or fuck you!”

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    Agreed. Hate in your heart mostly hurts you. I have spent a lot of time getting hate out of my body because I was raised in exactly the circumstances described. It was a long, hard fight which I think I am very close to winning.

    MAGA still needs to burn. People are free to leave the organization out of self-preservation if nothing else, but no mercy for the org and what it’s done. I don’t hate any of them, even the scum at the top, but the movement must die. The people that are part of it have choices to make.

    The end result of endless tolerance is annihilation. There is a line, and they’ve crossed it.

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      You don’t have to be tolerant to the intolerant but in the end you have to get people on your side not continually drive them away. I’m really frickin tired of the endless left-wing purity tests. You don’t agree on subsection 13 paragraph 5 of the manifesto? You’re out!

      The other day I was listening to Jon Stewart and the topic of the “privilege” of the white working poor came up. You can argue that even they have privilege over minorities, sure, but I bet that isn’t how it feels to them. There was some acknowledgement that they can also have hard lives but in the end the conclusion, albeit tongue-in-cheek, was “they just have to stop being so fragile.”

      Good luck with that messaging. We ridicule and belittle them, have been for decades, and then wonder why they turn to someone who promises to care for them (even if he’s obviously lying)

      They don’t get pronouns? They must be evil or stupid or both. Look at the dumb, ignorant rednecks. And of course the (social-)media loves it, hell play up both sides of “who said the worst thing this week” and watch the clicks soar.

      And we wonder why they fall for the “anti-woke” rhetoric.

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    Now post this in the context of Israel-palestine and watch the vibe shift.

    Strangely enough, none of the involved parties have anything to do with Calvinism.