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      And it’s bleeding into Canada.

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        This is the part that pisses me off the most. The cancer that is American politics is infecting our country. Now we got dumb fucks like Danielle Smith and PP crying about the “woke” agenda and other imported republican bullshit. Even worse, it’s working extremely well on the dumbest of our population and spreading like wildfire.

        Fuck America and their sports team politics. People need to realize it should be working class VS the rich, but they keep us distracted and divided with this dumb fucking culture war and the morons are lapping it up.

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            Remember when Poilievre accused the Liberal government of starting the wildfires? Apparently he embraces nutty conspiracy theories and climate change denial, American style.

            Here’s a clip from Question Period a few months back:

            https://twitter.com/ThunderBayEd/status/1656734773014822926

            At the 0:49 mark, Karina Gould mentions the fires in Alberta, and at 1:02 Pierre Poilievre can be clearly heard saying “started by your government”. It’s very disheartening to see how there’s no Republican low Canada’s Conservatives won’t stoop to, given the chance.

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              The irony here is that trump did start the camp fire in California. He purposely stopped wildfire prevention efforts on the federal lands surrounding Paradise, California because “those people didn’t vote for me”.

              To make it dramatic irony, over 75% of Paradise actually did vote for Trump.

              Please Canada, learn from America. Don’t make the same mistakes.

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          I hope you appreciate the irony of saying it should be rich vs poor instead of anything else, right after saying “fuck America”

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        PP, Ford, Smith, RW municipal politicians are grinding away at Canadian democracy as we speak.

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      Well akchually the USA can never become a third world country, because the designations come from the cold war and first world means US aligned, second world means UdSSR aligned and third world are the neutral countries.

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        Let’s just say civilized then.

        The US is no longer a civilized nation.

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        Idk. The us population definitely isn’t aligned with the us government or vice versa.

        Jokes aside, that’s pretty interesting. I didn’t know that’s where those terms came from

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        Yep a better one might be developed/developing, since that’s what people are usually thinking about when they use those terms

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      I’m sorry, man. I came back from America because if the healthcare, but now I avoid visiting my friends in NY/NJ/GA/WA/CA because of all the usual concerns – and me with so much privilege I need a boat or a Dodge ram.

      Stay safe. We’ll gain land in the 2029 water wars and you can either join us or join the independent states then.

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      I agree that in a lot of the states people can be pretty nasty towards LGBTQ+ people, but saying it is becoming a third world country is a bit extreme no?

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        Have you been to Alabama? You could shoot those “adopt an African” commercials there.

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          I can’t speak about Alabama specifically, but all the states I’ve been to seem to be pretty nice places to live. Maybe I’ve only been to “the good ones” if what you said is true

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            And I’m sure you traveled to the nicer places of the cities you were in.

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            Did you specifically seek out the bad places?

            Crazy thought, but tourist destinations are usually pretty nice for a reason. You’re never going to see the slums or the backwaters if you’re just doing the tourist thing.

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              When I travel somewhere I don’t intentionally look for places that are shitholes, but I didn’t seek out good spots either. I try to get a feel of what living in the state is like, not just in it’s flagship city. Yes I haven’t done that for every single state I’ve been to, but I have for a lot of them.

              Regardless, there’s no need to be rude about it man

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        One of the common data points used by organizations to rate a country as “third world” or not is the state of its infrastructure. In that department, the US is certainly closer to third world countries than we are to our European brethren. It’s been ignored and underfunded for so long that there are many places where it’s quite literally falling apart, and that’s not even getting into the state of public transit (or lack thereof) or how the single family suburb sprawl is slowly bleeding cities dry of their capital.

        There are other horrible things like parts of the US that have never had plumbing (Appalachia comes to mind) or things like the Flint, Michigan crisis (do they have drinkable water? I think as of last year they still didn’t. They might be able to take showers again, though, without causing permanent health issues for their kids). We have higher rates of women who die during childbirth than some third world countries. The quality of healthcare here is ranked the worst out of the first world nations while also being the most expensive. The wealthy go to Canada for prescriptions and surgery, or Mexico for dental work - Mexico apparently has better dentists than the US from what I’ve heard. We are #1 in number of incarcerated citizens per capita. The wealth disparity in the US today is supposedly worse than it was in France in the years just before the French Revolution, where the price of a loaf of bread was more than a day’s pay for the average worker. Upward class mobility (being born into a poor family and being able to become wealthy) is the lowest it’s been, I think, since the country was founded. A year or two before COVID happened, I was looking into starting a side business and found studies saying that a new business was more likely to fail today than in the Great Depression. If I remember the stats right, it was something like 40% of businesses fail in their first year, another 20% in their second year, and by year 4, 80% of new businesses have gone under.

        I’ve heard the US described as “a third world country in a Prada belt,” and I think it’s an apt description. Policy-wise, we’re closer to third world countries than we’d like to admit. We’ve just been living off the postwar economic boom from WW2 that centered the US as the world’s largest economy and wealthiest nation to ever exist. The sheer amount of money circulating in our economy has kept the nation chugging along through whatever stupid things the corporations and the politicians have done over the years.

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        It’s a meaningless term that is mostly used as a libel and only muddies discussions.

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        It’s hyperbole brought to you by keyboard doomers who’ve never left their state much less their country. Talk to me when huge regions lack electricity or indoor plumbing.

        Anybody interested in seeing that can hop over the border to Tijuana and check out villages on hillsides essentially made from trash where all the buildings are particle board and cinder block. There’s shitty parts of the rural south, but to claim they’re the same demonstrates a profound lack of perspective. I dunno, maybe it’s gotten better since the late 90s when I was there, but there are degrees to these things.

        We can discuss America’s fascism problem without being ridiculous muppets and or Kremlin/CCP propaganda vehicles.

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          Talk to me when huge regions lack electricity or indoor plumbing

          cough Texasgrid cough

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            Texas is a state, dear. Administrative incompetence notwithstanding, it still has better infrastructure than a good portion of the world and pretty much all of what we’d consider the “3rd world.” And also, they only have the problems they have because they deliberately cut themselves off from the national grid.

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              Cut the goalpost crap. You said talk to you when huge regions lose power, texas is 7% of the goddamn country and it lost power for an extended period - and still has an unstable grid! - due to corrupt pocket lining.

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                Do you understand the difference between power outages and there being no infrastructure at all in the first place? And, AS I MENTIONED, Texas is in the spot it’s in because they refuse to work with the rest of the grid.

                The goalposts aren’t moving, you just have no idea where they were. I’m guessing due to critical failures in reading comprehension or being paid in rubles.

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              Texas is a state

              … but, you seem to be suggesting, not a huge region.

              Have you seen it? It’s huge! And it’s a region!

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        I just moved to BC and have no medical/dental insurance yet. Last week I had to pay out-of-pocket to see a dentist and got a prescription for antibiotics. I paid less than I ever did in the US where I did have insurance. Less than CA$100 to see a dentist, get an xray and the prescription. Mindblowing.

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    Good move. We need to be vigilant because Canadian RW politicians are attempting to bring US GOP bigot legislation here as well. #NeverVoteConservative

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      Conservatives would love to pull this garbage here. We’re already seeing attempts in Saskatchewan and Alberta. #NeverVoteConservative

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    And they should. If you aren’t going to California, Hawaii, or Massachusetts… you should be careful about vetting the state you plan on visiting. Things have gotten very nasty in “red states” over the last few years.

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      If you aren’t going to California, Hawaii, or Massachusetts

      *liberal cities in California.

      There’s a loooot of deep, deep red areas of Cali that should be avoided.

      Don’t know much about the other states you listed, so I can’t speak on their status.

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        Sparsely populated agricultural areas and shitholes like Bakersfield aren’t common tourist destinations. You don’t need to tell someone to avoid them. So yeah they’re “deep red” in the sense that half a dozen yokels that live there are idiots, but they’re very, very much in the minority.

        And honestly, having traveled a bit, even California Conservatives aren’t as Conservative as they think they are; a fact which becomes extremely apparent when they leave the state and then get slapped in the face with actual out and proud racism and they get othered for being from California.

        It would be funny if it weren’t so sad.

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          Absolutely true. I know a conservative who moved away from a smaller conservative town in CA to a true red state small town and even he was shocked by the casual use of the hard R N-word use.

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      Oregon, Washington, and most of the Northeast are fine.

      Just stay away from the South. This has always been good advice and remains good advice.

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        Still, you get 10 min outside of a city in Oregon and you start seeing Trump signs

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          The US divide is really less Blue vs. Red states and more rural vs urban areas.

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          Same in Washington. You’re mostly safe along I-5 and WA-101 but towns outside of those two highways can get very conservative very fast.

          You have some pockets east of the mountains like Spokane and the tri cities that are slightly liberal but there’s a reason most of the Republican house representatives come from the east side of the state.

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        This is urban vs rural more than anything and not state vs state. Because I’m sure there’s some dudes from Laramie Wyoming who would take offense that you didn’t lump them in with all the other bigots.

        Should a gay couple load up there family and move to Garfield Georgia? No probably not but what about Birmingham Alabama? Yeah that’d be fine.

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    I’m guessing that the places that the LGBTQ+ community should think twice about visiting, are that same places that you wouldn’t want to travel to or move to if you’re a woman, or if you’re not white.

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      The sad thing is I remember Florida used to be one of the better places to be queer in the South. Sure, the countryside was never safe much like the rest of the US, But each city had its own scene, Miami and Orlando were two of the US’s gay cities, and as someone who grew up outside of Florida, but close enough to frequently visit, it felt like an Island in a sea of intolerance.

      Now I don’t even feel safe enough to visit the nearest city on the state border, or even Disneyworld anymore. And people I used to know there are trying to flee to my state, because as bad as things are here, they are no where near as oppressive as they are in Florida.

      I think Florida is worth taking note of, because even though Florida’s path towards fascism is decades in the making, things really accelerated against the queer community within the past 3 years. It went from being one of the safest places to be queer in the South to being the worst, and I still can’t believe how quickly it happened.

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    At first I thought that this sounds a little extreme, but then I remembered that even if you aren’t LGBTQ, you still need to watch out for the mass shootings. So being any kind of minority kind of ups your odds of being murdered.

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    So, when does the travel advisory expand to Saskatchewan, New Brunswick, and Stornoway?