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    What baffles me about this whole situation is McDonald’s (corporate) role in perpetuating it. It doesn’t make sense as a way to squeeze money from the franchises, because the extracted rents¹ don’t go to corporate; it goes to Taylor. It’s a loss to the franchisee, and no benefit to McDonald’s central.

    This smells of graft. Someone at McDonald’s corporate is getting paid off illicitly.


    ¹ In the political-economy sense of “rent”, not the one that means “lease payment”.

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      Someone at McDonald’s corporate is getting paid off illicitly.

      By the values of Corpmurica, that executive is just acting out of rational self-interest.

      Isn’t our society in favor of fucking over anyone we can for individual profit? Isn’t that what we’re taught by example to do, lest we be considered an un-American commie?

      You can bribe our politicians legally with infinite sums of money to PACs since Citizens United, you think anyone gives a shit about bribing a McDonald’s executive?

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        Huh? By the rules and values of Corporate America, breaching your employer’s trust by taking kickbacks from a contractor would be solidly against the rules.

        My suspicion is that McDonald’s corporate is not making as much money as it could be, because franchisees are paying Taylor for fake repairs instead of buying more shitty ice cream mix from corporate.

        This is not a matter of Good vs Evil. It’s one Lawful Evil group getting ripped off by another.

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          breaching your employer’s trust

          Oh yes, harumph I say! Multinational corporations are as honorable as they are trustworthy, and demand that very same honor and integrity from their executive team in their scrupulous business practices, I say!

          Honestly though, do you think sociopathic multinationals like McDonald’s have a leg to stand on expecting not to attract people that reflect their lack of values? Garbage attracts garbage. Unrepentant Garbage deserves to suffer garbage.

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          I don’t claim to have a solution but one thing that has always bugged me about this. When I award contracts or buy pretty much anything I can’t take a bribe of money, but I can take a bribe of effort. It is acceptable for me (I did have this conversation more than once) to straight off tell a salesperson I can go higher on price if they agree to keep prices constant so I don’t have to constantly look at them. Or if they agree to do some other time saving measure.

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            I upvoted you because I don’t award contracts, so I have no idea if that’s common practice but I hope your comment gets some visibility and discussion. It’s quite interesting to think about the value of our time or effort and how maximizing those isn’t a bribe, it’s just common sense.

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              Your boss asks you to go to the store to buy something, I don’t know a flashlight. You can go to the store that is further away and get a lower price of the store very close and pay more.

              For some reason this is different than if a flashlight sales person offereded you money to buy their flashlight.

              Bribes of time are fine bribes of money aren’t.

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      This smells of graft.

      It IS graft. I’ve forgotten where I ran into the information but someone tracked it down. Taylors (the machine company) has an exclusive contract with McDonald’s Corporate for the machines and McDonald’s Corporate receives a portion of the service revenue whenever a Taylor machine is “fixed”.

      That’s why McDonald’s is fighting Kytch / helping Taylor.

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      Executives who run McDonalds likely also own shares in Taylor. Just like they have a financial interest in paper straws.

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      There is also no loss for McDonald’s central, but they have a old and close business relationship with Taylor that they seem to care about more than their own franchise owners.

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        It hurts the brand immeasurably, how is that not a loss? Not only does it annoy customers, it causes them to go to other franchises instead. That decreases the value of their franchise, which directly hurts the company.

        Long trip, daughter wants an ice cream, I am hungry, pull off the highway and go towards McDonald’s, then remember their ice cream machine is probably broken so I go to Wendy’s instead. Realize they are running their biggie bag promotion and get like 2 meals worth of food and an Ice cream for like 7 bucks… Why would I go to McDonald’s again for fast food if I have the option?

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          I honestly don’t understand how they’re still around when places like Wendy’s exist. Their prices have skyrocketed and the food is mediocre of im being incredibly generous.

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        graft [ graft, grahft ]

        1. the acquisition of money, gain, or advantage by dishonest, unfair, or illegal means, especially through the abuse of one’s position or influence in politics, business, etc.

        2. a particular instance, method, or means of thus acquiring gain or advantage.

        Well I’ll be. TIL!

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        No, graft is used as a term for things like police demanding weekly payments in exchange for protection, acting like a local gang or mafia, or politicians soliciting bribes. It’s when anyone in an official position abuses their authority in such a way.

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    There’s already a link to the vid talking about the utter bullshit and corruption surrounding the McD’s ice cream machines posted in this thread, but here’s a resource I haven’t seen posted yet: an online tracker to find out if your local McD’s ice cream machine is working or broken right now.

    https://mcbroken.com/

    (love the domain name)

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      I swear that site makes green dots smaller until they disappear when you zoom out. Still pretty cool though, our nearest McDonalds has a broken ice cream machine

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        What I don’t know is whether the UK has to comply with the same BS exclusive service contracts for their ice cream machines as the US does, or if it’s a similar arrangement only with different companies and manufacturers.

        The McD closest to my house is almost always unable to sell ice cream products - it’s down more often that it’s working.

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        They reverse engineered the ordering API (that the app uses) and try to add a McSundae to an online order. If the ice cream machine is broken, it won’t let you add that item to an order for the specific location. If the McSundae machine is working, it will let you add that item to the order for the designated location.

        It updates each location every 30 minutes, so is very up to date.

        More details about it here: https://hypebeast.com/2020/10/mcbroken-site-mcdonalds-ice-cream-machines-working-tracker-info

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        If its the one I know, it sends an online ice cream request through the API, and then cancels the successful ones before they reach the stores. The unsuccessful ones are broken machines, essentially.

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        iirc it used to get it through a reverse engineering of the McDonald’s app api. Not sure about now tho

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    Hey, kids! Do you want to play a game? Its called “Everyone In Any Position of Power is Corrupt!”

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    BTW, fixing broken machines’ software (printers) was how Richard Stallman got so frustrated to invent the GPL license…

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      Imagine being the guy who wrote so buggy software that you inadvertently saddled the entire world with rms

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    The Superior Court of Alameda County is charging roughly $1 per page to get legal filings. To download the entirety of the court proceedings to date, the court wants $2,999.

    Alright, fuck it! Lets build our own soft serve ice cream machines… with blackjack and hookers.

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      Okay, and then you get fined for violating your franchise contract that requires you use these machines.

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        Then we’ll create our own franchise. We’ll call it FuttBuckers, or something like that…

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    Pretty sure they explicitly do not want legislators to think they will “hack” them. Is this article shillin’ for Taylor?

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      You probably already know but hacking originally meant to modify a machine for instance (or furniture as in ikea hacks) but it really is a word one should avoid when speaking with people who aren’t part of the communities that use it in its original meaning.

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          Earliest I’ve heard was from MIT and the pranks they do. I think that was from the fifties.

          Yes, Ikea hacks are much later. Me and my wife were doing it/calling it that around 2005 when we modded a desk. It was intended to be an example of the dual usage of the word hack.

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        Hacker vs. cracker. Hack isn’t a nefarious term, or at least it shouldn’t be. Hacking is just using something in an unintended way. The problem is with how DMCA made that am illegal thing to do if there was a digital lock. While intended to mean you can’t bypass CSS to rip movies from DVDs, it’s been used to block the right to repair and other things completely anti-consumer. But you probably know this.

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        To hack means to chop something to pieces violently. It doesn’t matter what it used to be in the past - people now are using it differently. Language evolves over time and the most used interpretations survive.

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          To “hack it” also means to be able to handle something. That there were multiple meanings for the word was never in question and I really do agree with you that language evolve over time and you simply need to learn to live with that.

          But also, if you go back and look at my response to op I also wrote that I found it unsuitable to use it in this case exactly due to the risk of being misunderstood.

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    As a result of these shenanigans by Taylor and on their behalf McDonald’s itself I haven’t considered McDonald’s a viable place to go for any kind of ice cream or ice cream-adjacent thing for many years, whereas this was once not the case. I know I’m not the only one either.

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      I haven’t even thought about getting McDonald’s ice cream in years just because it seems like they are never able to serve it so I’m not even going to try. When I want ice cream I’ll go to the place that make ice cream on a cold slab.

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      We are lucky enough to have a drive-through Baskin Robbins in this town. So my convenient ice cream choices are quite nice. But it must suck if your only option for ice cream is broken.

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        Wow, I really don’t envy your options. I’d prefer pretty much any ice cream chain over BR.

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          It’s not the best ice cream, but between that and McDonalds when you don’t want to get out of your car, I’ll pick the one with more flavor options.

          We do have one other ice cream place. It’s inside the lobby of a gun range. I’m not kidding.

          They also had a bullshit private ‘mask-free school’ going on during the height of COVID, so fuck them.

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      I just stopped considering McDonalds a place that serves ice cream. The menu item just doesn’t exist there in my mind.

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        I wonder how much this actually hurts their business? Probably more than they realize. My daughter loves ice cream, and I am not going to play McDonald’s roulette, unless I have to. We just go to Wendy’s if we are going to eat fast food, the foods better and cheaper anyway and I have yet to run into a broken machine.

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          It probably hurts the franchisee more than it hurts McDonalds proper, and they make it back and then some from their deal with Taylor.

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      Taylor must pay McDonald’s a tidy sum for the exclusivity contract. Both parties make out like bandits in the deal. I’m kind of surprised McDonald’s never in-housed it out of greed, but that day may be coming due to all the negative publicity.

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        I suspect it’s a case of they thought they were getting a good deal out of this when they signed the contract but didn’t realise how much Taylor was going to take the piss until it was too late. Likely when the contract expires it probably won’t be renewed.

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      From the article: “A DMCA exemption would allow McDonald’s franchises to legally do repair work on their own machines.”

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        Wait, copyright can be used to prevent repairs? What is the justification? Is it a “ice cream machine company owns the copyright to mcdonalds ice cream and if you tamper with the machine you can’t call it McDonald’s ice cream anymore” kind of deal or is tampering straight up illegal?

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          The DMCA criminalizes the act of circumventing an access control, whether or not there is actual infringement of copyright itself.

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            This only applies to digital access controls right? Otherwise those ‘warranty void if removed’ stickers would be legal

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              I think there needs to be a digital component but it can still apply to physical goods. Either way, “warranty void if removed” stickers aren’t a control. It only applies to “effective” controls:

              For the DMCA, circumvention means that there is a user attempting to “descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner” – assuming that there is a technological measure in place that “effectively controls access to a work.”

              If you need to reverse engineer the product to bypass the access control, then that generally qualifies as an effective control. But if you can just press F12 or Escape or remove a sticker, that wouldn’t qualify as effective.

              (For what it’s worth I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.)

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                But isn’t it ineffective once it’s been bypassed, therefore making it legal again?

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                  Unfortunately that’s not what they mean by “effective.” They define it like this:

                  a technological measure “effectively controls access to a work” if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work.

                  The key verbiage there is “in the ordinary course of its operation.”

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          How? A different company sells and services the machines, and it is not a subsidiary of the McDonalds Corporation.

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            There’s literally no other explanation, McDonald’s can only do whatever brings them profit, and they did the math I’m sure, this HAS to be profitable.

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              No. I already gave another more probable explanation that happens all the time in business.

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      Eh not necessarily. It’s a common joke, and ifixit gets publicity both for their own brand and for right to repair out of it

      Edit: unless you meant they’re getting something out of it being so locked down, in which case yeah. Corporate basically gets to pass the costs down to individual franchisees even more

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      Not necessarily. If the losses they are sustaining aren’t understood or obfuscated through corporate and bureaucratic bullshit, it could go unnoticed for quite a while.

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    Unrelated to the topic but has anyone else noticed the quality of the soft serve has gone down dramatically in the last several years. I got a ice cream cone and it didn’t even taste good. I was looking at their advert for a Mcflurry and it looked all ice crystally and not good at all. If they can’t even make the picture look good that is saying something.

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    Kind of seems a bit pointless what they’re campaigning for in this regard. A DMCA exemption wouldn’t allow franchise owners to use an alternative repair company, as no doubt their franchise contract specifies who they can use.

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      A DMCA exemption wouldn’t allow franchise owners to use an alternative repair company

      That’s not the point. Often there’s nothing actually wrong with the machine, you simply need to be able to reset a system flag which you can easily do using the box that Kytch makes. So the Franchisee buys a Kytch box and then doesn’t need to call ANYBODY.