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Counterpoint: Bluesky is a lesser evil than Twitter.
I’m not realistically expecting football players to join Mastodon/Misskey/IceShrimp. But if they can stop giving money to Musk, that’s good enough for me.
Objection your honour.
The platform Bluesky is being ran by a multi-millionaire woman. The website makes nodes prohibitively expensive to run and the domain collects a lot of data on its users.
I am aware of all of this.
But Jay Graber does not do Nazi salutes on public television.
Also, has the content discovery issue been fixed on Mastodon?
That’s true she isn’t bad as Elon Musk but she still has a disconnect with the average person. Ideally it would be better if people make the right decision the first time around to avoid the sunk cost fallacy with another corporate platform.
Hopefully as time goes on and Mastodon gains more features and becomes more user-friendly everyone will start shifting there.
Also, has the content discovery issue been fixed on Mastodon?
I will admit that I’m not very aware of this issue.
I never had a Twitter account so when I joined Mastodon I was going in completely inexperienced & had kind of a terrible time.
When BS launched, it immediately made sense to me & I’ve been posting there ever since. It would be nice if it were Federated.
You can bridge your Bluesky account to the fediverse and all your future posts will be visible on the fediverse, though you’ll only be able to interact with people who have bridged their fediverse accounts back to Bluesky.
I just don’t get the appeal of the entire microblog format, even when kbin had the integrations.
clout chasers
I use it to post art.
“Clout Chasing Monstrosity,” is what they call me.
I’m barely interesting enough to shitpost here let alone chase something…
Exactly this, mastodon is just confusing and not a good time. I just chose not to use any.
Sir, SIR. This is a Lemmys.
Bluesky isn’t bad. Maybe it will be eventually, but they are focused on open protocols and don’t act as a walled garden.
Twitter was not bad either, until big business thought it would be ‘nice’ to have.
The business model from Bsky: lock in as many users as possible. Sell the company with all users to an oligarch. Then the users will realize they are the business.
True, but it can bridge with Mastodon, making it an easier move when the ship starts to sink.
but it can bridge with Mastodon
Until it can’t. Twitter had an open API and even RSS-feeds at some point.
Fair point. Maybe we can coax them while it’s still available.
Why would I want to be where everyone is? Have you met those people? No thanks.
New idea: Social media where you never interact with other users. You just scream into the void without anyone ever seeing it.
So… Lemmy then.🤪
Nothing personal but this is precisely how I feel about LW.
Why would I take that personally?
People tend to like their home instance thus they subsequently defend it.
Nah, that was just the top of the list when I signed up, and I don’t think it’s bad enough to migrate. But that’s the beauty of federation, you can start almost anywhere and connect with the stuff you like.
you can bridge bluesky and mastodon with Bridgy Fed @[email protected] https://fed.brid.gy/
The bsky vibe is rancid as hell. It’s full of those kind of people. I’m in favor of whatever keeps as many of them as possible out of the ActivityPub milieu.
Could someone explain the criticism of BlueSky to me, i.e. that it’s less decentralised? Isn’t the AT Protocol set up in such a way that you could build your own social network using it, meaning you can interact with BlueSky users without being one yourself?
As I understand it, the critical flaw with Mastodon and Lemmy etc is that if I delete something on my profile it isn’t guaranteed to be deleted on other servers - that is unfortunately unacceptable in the long run for most people. And account portability isn’t clean, and you are at the whim of your server operator. How is it better?
Many thanks for sharing this, I will read it and then come back with my thoughts!
Isn’t the AT Protocol set up in such a way that you could build your own social network using it, meaning you can interact with BlueSky users without being one yourself?
No. In theory it could eventually become that but Bluesky is not self-hostable.
Are you saying the AT Protocol is not self-hostable, or that BlueSky isn’t? Because if it’s possible to create a BlueSky competitor that uses the AT Protocol, then this criticism isn’t valid. If someone can in theory create an open source BlueSky clone, then it seems like it renders Activity Pub redundant. I’m genuinely curious, I have been trying both out for a while.
Both. ATProto is still centralized, you can host your own profile data but you still need the central service to log in and see it.
BlueSky claims they’ll open-source the central service too but they’ve got no incentive to do so.
Thanks for the explanation. I hope that the fact they’ve set out to create it in the first place shows their intention to open source it - it would be a 180° villain arc move not to
Sadly, it’d be entirely in keeping with every single other corporate social media site ever.
Letting you host your own profile data is just a move to save themselves some hosting costs, every user who stays locked into their system and hosts their own data means they’ll be able to start making money that much faster when they finally hit market saturation and turn heel to enshittify themselves for profit.
Yeah, but the interactions there are minimal and eventually you’ll get pushed out of the algorithm if you’re not popular enough.
Format is confusing. Is the first paragraph meant to be a quote?
The bottom text is the original quote.
