Seagulls? 🤬 Stop it now!
Perfect name since birds are really computers also.
Why is my body involuntarily dancing when I watch this???
Basically a Chevy bolt for $11,000 (top trim).
200% tariffs won’t protect Chevrolet.
Well it charges faster, has assisted driving and native android auto. The Bolt takes an hour to fast charge from 10-80%, has lane assist (as an addon) and Android Auto. For 12 grand more than what you’d pay for the Seagull in Europe.
Chevy is fucked
BYD is effectively banned in the US, along with all other Chinese vehicles.
Not surprised. American vehicle company will be bankrupt. Rented BYD in Asia, its quite luxurious tbh. They thought of lot of little things to make it comfy and better than even Tesla.
Chinese brands are dominating the Australian EV market. BYD has a multiple compelling options, MG with their MG4.
If my car was written off tomorrow I’d be test driving a BYD.
I’m not even aware of any American EV here despite a recently strong presence in the yank tank market (eg Ford ranger).
If a Ranger counts as a “Yank Tank”, the monster trucks I see everywhere in Indiana would disgust you…
I traveled in one, in Germany last year. I was quite impressed. I did note a few minor concerns e.g. the stitching wasn’t tight enough to be recessed. It will get damaged easily. The fact that my complaints are on that level says a lot, however.
And yes, they are on my “to buy” list, unlike Tesla.
it they are afraid the cheap cars will overcompete against the more expensive, bloated ev. its overpriced, newer ones around 40-50+k
IIRC it’s not tariffs that are keeping BYD out. There’s some kind of law that’s preventing them from selling their cars in the United States all together. I may be wrong about this I just seem to remember reading something of that nature.
This is what you’re thinking of:
No, that’s still just a tariff. It also only applies to light trucks. Doing a negligible amount of googling brought up this:
In a nutshell, it was the tax credit. The law confirming the tax credit made it impossible for any foreign made electric vehicles to qualify for it. It is a protectionist scheme like the chicken tax, but implemented in a far different way.
On the plus side, if Trump axes the tax credit BYD may start selling in the US. Even with the ridiculously inflated tariffs, BYD is cheaper than a Tesla or other EV on the market.
It’s probably the same law that de facto bans French cars in the US.
Yeah, but basic safety standards will.
Yeah, everyone thought that Chinese cars would have terrible safety and quality, and then the Chinese cars actually turned up and they didn’t. And the auto industry collectively made a whoopsie in their pants.
They’re still pushing the narrative that Chinese cars are garbage though, because that and tariffs are all that they’ve got.
I don’t get how people who are apparently so pro capitalism seem so upset about competition.
Because the other guy is winning, of course
That’s easy, their real belief is that they need to make as much money as possible. They’re only pro-capitalism when it means making more money.
BYD sells in Europe. They do ok. It’s no Chery Amulet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H9jeF_ADG4
Making a safe inexpensive car is easy when you don’t over inflate the price of basic safety equipment like airbags.
And in Australia, we don’t have any tarrifs on Cars. BYD keeps rocketing up the sales charts, along with Geely under all its combined labels.
No Seagulls here though.
They have pretty high tariff rates in the EU tbf[0], obviously not anything like 104%, but still very high compared to normal rates.
We need to return the magical amulet to the bu-nana king, Chhhaarrrliieeeee!
Safety standards aren’t the same in Europe and North America and Europe is less restrictive on very small vehicles.
What you’ve claimed very much contradicts what I personally have in mind about strict safety requirements in EU. And you do not provide any links to your claims either… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Here is an abstract from a reply by Claude 3.7 Sonnet:
- European type approval is generally considered more demanding, requiring vehicles to meet requirements before being sold across the EU.
- North American certification is more self-certification based, with manufacturers declaring compliance to NHTSA/Transport Canada standards.
“by Claude”
Lulz, off to the block list with you
Thanks! It’s quite ironic, that you present your opinions only, but obviously expect people to offer something else, like (scientific?) materials or links to some research results. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’d agree, that it is definitely curious to see the factual comparison of european and N.american safety requirements. But since it’s an exchange of opinions - i guess it’s fair it’s not only you who is sharing your views)
Ps: Using LLM is interesting (at least, for me): the AI tool replies might be the representation of public views. Thus, these are statistically coherent with what most people think /say on certain topic. Or this is my understanding of how this technology works. And i will certainly trust the report by an AI tool more, than what an unknown user has to offer as an anecdotal evidence.
I guess this is why every nation is scared of Chinese EV’s. Do they meet Western safety standards?
Since they’ll be selling it in Europe, they pretty much have to I guess?
Well I guess we will all be driving Chinese EVs soon.
If we’re allowed to.
A version of this car will be in UK this year but for $L20k. Seems too much, but exact specs unreleased.
Later this year, it will launch in Europe as the Dolphin Surf, with expected prices starting under £20,000 ($26,000)
I wonder how large of a profit margin is BYD making in Europe.
I think they have a lot of airbags added. Side and middle including in the rear.
The BYD Dolphin in Australia for $32k AUD is pretty attractive for an entry level model too. The Toyota Camry Ascent hybrid is $45k AUD. I kind of prefer a hybrid as petrol is still everywhere, but that cheap Dolphin will suit many people.
CCP subsidies included.
How come people get mad at the Chinese Government for assisting in building their industries, rather than getting mad at their own Governments for NOT assisting in building theirs?
The US gives subsidies to its own car manufacturing sector as well, the difference is that China with its cheap labor can use subsidies to do dumping in other markets in order to shut down their industry. What happens once China has the monopoly on a sector?
But again… why be mad at China? They are making big investments in their own people and industries to boost their own country’s abilities and better their future.
Meanwhile the US is just trying to hamstring the rest of the world instead of doing better.
They’re living the American dream y’all used to aspire to.
Because they use those tactics and cheap labor and slavery in order to become a monopoly. In that regard the rest of the world is already better than China so it’s China that should be doing better.
and US currently trying to move away from EV as per GOP/trump initiatives.
The second GOP went nah, Dodge: “Hemi’s back ya’ll!” Instead of seeing that no one wanted the Dayton Charger because the price is outrageous for what you get. It’s a beautiful car imo, but man that price just blows chunks. Their hybrid Ram is going to be the same I’d bet. Too expensive for what you get. It’s also beautiful, but I’ll be sticking with my 2010 1500 and rebuilding her instead.
US automakers are completely tone deaf to what the majority of people want. We poor af. We want low cost EVs. Low cost cars and actual small trucks again. I’d love a Ram 150 again. Small Ranger again. The 90’s S-10. Even the newer trucks dwarf my 1500.
We need vehicle height regulation too. Not just production but in aftermarket. Want to off road or mud? You do you, but it can’t go on the road like that. It has to be registered as off road use only. I did a 2/4 lower. That is perfectly fine to do 99% of the truck stuff I do. Including light off roading.
the US would do the same, and have done the same with other companies. US isnt holier than thou.
I never said they were, I explained the situation.
The US and Europe can’t do dumping in the automotive sector because the people building the cars are paid fair wages, China can afford to do it so other countries protect their industry.
Now this sub can stop defending China, you’ll start sounding like tankies if you keep doing it.
more interested in keeping the monopolies funding these politicians.
Because their governments are perfect obviously /s
For real! Forced assimilation? Bad! Tianemen Square? Bad! Subsidizing EVs? Semi-planned economy? Seems good. Like literally anything it’s a mixed bag. Nuance is lost and so are we
US car companies list their prices with the subsidies included too.
Don’t forget the slavery.
Guess tankies found the thread, like always, downvoting anything bad about China.
Guess the world has forgotten about Uyghurs, too… Much like turning a blind eye to Israel in favor of weapon deals
It’s a good thing I don’t care about fake internet points.
