• Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world
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    Their only dignified escape from the conservative nightmare is by their own hand. Nothing good in history has ever come from conservatism. Nothing.

    Conservatism is a plague of oppression and death. And the plague is spreading.

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      What if they don’t have the power to topple their oppressors without foreign intervention?

      It seems that’s the case for Iran.

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        I agree. A revolution would be a violent and bloody one. I worry it would still be ineffective. Conservatism is like cancer. The treatment is deadly for both the disease and its victim.

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        Foreign infervention is almost always the worst possible option.

        It only makes sense in the case of active mass genocides (think WWII, Cambodia or Serbia). Toppling an oppresive but stable regime through foreign power always ends in destabilisation and even more suffering to the people.

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          Foreign infervention is almost always the worst possible option.

          Agreed.

          Anyone who suggests otherwise needs to look at the very long history of foreign attempts at “intervention” in Afghanistan.

          The country was left worse than it was after each of those many failed attempts.

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          Serbia? Serbia (SR Yugoslavia) did a lot of nasty shit, but 99’ intervention was not a product of a genocide, let alone a massive one.

          UN ruling in question, BBC article.

          Crimes against humanity and war crimes did take place, it said, but “the exactions committed by Milosevic’s regime cannot be qualified as criminal acts of genocide, since their purpose was not the destruction of the Albanian ethnic group… but its forceful departure from Kosovo”.

          Srebreica was a genocide, but was not perpotrated by actual Serbia, if it makes any difference…

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          Right.

          Let me know when these problems get solved doing something I don’t suggest.

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        …wasn’t foreign intervention the primary reason why Iran is in this mess in the first place?

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          That means it’s impossible to intervene with positive results.

          Is that what you’re implying? Just say it, lol. But you won’t because you know how stupid it sounds.

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    Latest: The Taliban have decreed that any woman caught attempting suicide will be put to death.

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      Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t some JudeoIslamic factions already punish suicide with death?

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        Yes. Though it’s not really as hypocritical as it seems at first glance.

        Assume you view suicide as being punished with eternal torment.

        Someone wants to kill themselves, but, if you kill them instead it isn’t a mortal sin.

        From your moral framework the execution is now a mercy. They no longer suffer, in this life or the next.

        Ya know, if you believe in sky daddies and whatnot.

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          I mean, even without the religious aspect, that might be kinda nice

          “We caught you trying to kill yourself through some nasty means, here, have some state sponsored painless nitrogen to breathe”

          I mean setting aside the horrible power it would give the gov, it’s a really funny image of someone being talked down from suicide by jumping into getting professional suicide help so they can do it easier

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        Suicide, really. That’s the last thing you should try. You realize that suicide’s a criminal offense. In less enlightened times, they’d have hung you for it.

        – Peter Cook, Bedazzled (1968)

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      I’m sure some have tried, and succeeded, and I’m sure some have tried and failed.

      I’m betting what follows for both situations is making these women take their lives first instead.

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        What follows is death anyway, might as well make a bit of difference in the process

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          While I agree, there may be a difference in the level of suffering they’d need to endure before death

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    “females made up more than three-quarter of recorded suicide deaths and treated survivors”

    Sounds like women are basically enslaved. I can understand that some slaves decide that death is better.

    Fun place to live. /s

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    Disturbing yes but not entirely surprising. I hope the Taliban get their just dues for what their doing to women soon.

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        The army that folded in two days after 20 years of time wasted trying to make a horse drink.

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            It’s the middle east, they’re not “minorities” in their own fucking country lol

            Armed the women? Certainly would have worked if they’d been willing to fight, probably would have only driven more Afghani army into the Taliban’s ranks though. Considering even the non-extremists in the area don’t want women equal to men at this point.

            Sharia law is the problem, we will never have a functional middle east until religious authoritarianism stops being the actual written law. Problem is most of them are comfortable in their current existence and have no reason to change. Any change we suggest or offer will just be met with “these evil westerners are trying to destroy our faith!”

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              There are non-Pashtun minorities in Afghanistan.

              Trying to preserve an Afghan state was the mistake.

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                You are incomprehensible. Dude was saying there is no way to help them. Their own army gave up in 2 weeks even after being trained for 2 decades by a professional army.

                You came. in and said “don’t hold your breathe”… for whatever reason… hold our breathe for what? No one mentioned anything to be waiting for…

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                  Lol, what?

                  Anyone with a middle-school reading level can understand I was saying “I won’t hold my breath for their military to help them out.”

                  “incomprehensible”, yeah, if your reading comprehension isn’t that great. Sure.

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      Hope unfortunately doesn’t mean anything in the face of abuse.

      You either have power, or you don’t.

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      The only way that will happen is for the women of Afghanistan to receive the same training and equipment as the Ukrainian army are getting.

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    Absolutely tragic, but I probably would do the same were I forced to live the life they’re forced to with no hope of escape.

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      They are being blocked at the border. The Taliban won’t let them leave. The ones who got out and participated in interviews (ie the ones we hear about) talk about how their families back home are being harassed, hiding.

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      Yes because that’s the easiest solution for people enduring violent oppression.

      “jUsT lEaVe!!11!”

      Yep it’s that simple. Forget your lives forget your families forget making where you live a better place JUST LEAVE! 🤓

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      They should focus on leaving the country.

      Getting caught trying means lengthy torture, ending either in death or crippling injuries.

      And, because women’s movements and activities are already horribly controlled, even attempting to run is almost impossible. Getting caught is pretty much guaranteed before they get anywhere near a border.