Problem with this chart is it’s missing US visitors, so it doesn’t tell you all that much about the overall impact.
But man, the argument isn’t some grassroots boycott of the US tourism industry. The argument is that going to an authoritarian country with a mass incarceration habit when you don’t actually have to is a terrible idea. European countries are issuing travel warnings for people. ICE is detaining travellers with valid visas.
Just stay safe, the tourism industry boycott takes care of itself if you do.
Non-domestic tourism is about 10-15%, so not a massive impact.
10 to 15% is the entire margin of a lot of business in the service industry, don’t underestimate the movement. Even 5% is enough to dent the stock growth of the hotel industry. That data also predate the important budget blockage of the national parks and forestry
Also, it’s fairly standard for foreign tourists to a country to spend more money than domestic tourists.
I’m not over or understating anything. There was a question about numbers and I found the numbers, 10-15% ish, trending down since 2019.
“Massive” is subjective though, and I guess one person’s “massive” is another person’s 10-15% 🤷🏽♂️
I tried to link the hotel occupancy numbers which are interesting, but they’re paywalled.
A bigger dent is airlines. A lot of domestic tourism would be by car.
Foreign tourists bring in foreign money, which helps balance the trade deficit.
By itself it wont be a massive impact, but combine it with many other small to medium impacts and the load on the empire will become challenging to bear more and more.
Don’t worry, domestic tourism is going to plummet too; it’s not like anybody will be able to afford a vacation in a year
I honestly can’t conceive of voluntarily traveling to the US if I lived elsewhere. Even if you have perfect knowledge of and adherence to the laws, there’s no guarantee ICE or CBP wouldn’t snatch you up and detain you for no good reason.
Yeah. I’ve been meaning to visit the US for a while, but after reading some of the horror stories that came out about ICE I’ll probably put that on hold for the next couple of years.
I hope one day there will be a post-fascism America worth visiting. Hey, maybe it will be super cheap for you to visit since our economy will have collapsed!
As someone who lives in the US, I don’t even want to travel outside, unless I’m planning on not coming back.
Same here. Who knows whether you’d be allowed back in unmolested, especially if you’ve ever said something against trump or pro Palestine.
The laws have been written in such a way that lawyers have said that everything you do in the US is illegal.
I can’t find the article, but it was referencing the newly passed Patriot Act, so that was 20 years ago
Grew up in the US, live in Japan; zero chance I go unless someone’s dying.
Yeah, even as a citizen I don’t trust our border gestapo in the slightest.
I have lived in Canada for 20+ years. At first, vacationing in the USA seemed OK since it was so close and, for me, it was still a foreign country (compared to my original country). However, around my fourth year in Canada and my second vacation in the USA, I started realizing it was not worth it (nothing special to see, food often terrible, etc). I have avoided it unless family was involved.
My last trip, again to meet family, was a vacation to Florida around 4 years ago… I hated every minute of it and it was as expensive as going to Europe. I know because we had saved for a trip to Europe which was swapped by this trip instead.
I will never visit Murica again if I can avoid it
Well that’s some useless labels at the bottom…
Why would you even want to go there now, as you can be imprisoned at any moment, and it could take weeks before you get out. With a little luck, you even end up in an El Salvador gang prison.
If I were from another country, I sure as shit would avoid the U.S.
I just returned from vacation in Ireland. One country I’d love to stay. I do have Irish ancestry.
If you have parents or grandparents born in Ireland you are basically an Irish citizen if you want to be.
Yeah, thanks. I’ve heard of the option. I literally have near zero info on my Paternal grandparents.
It’s possible your parents kept some of their documents or know this. It’s worth a try.
Pretty sure I’ve looked. My Dad passed away long ago, '89. Only thing I’ve ever seen is a copy of the family tree. I know that would provide leads for connections.
I’ve connected with my Norwegian cousins. I’ve visited them twice.
I’m sure there is a way to get the records from Ireland.
Probably. I was too busy drinking Irish whiskey and enjoying the music. instead of researching.
Everyone stay the fuck away and don’t contribute to our economy as much as you can manage. Our government thinks it doesn’t need anyone else for anything? Show them what that means.
Not just tourism. A ton of Canadians do routine cross border shopping, even for groceries!
Same for Mexico
Also, for a lot of cities it’s cheaper and more convenient to fly overseas via USA than thru Mexico City
I wonder if they’re counting layovers as visitors.
People in Metro Vancouver going down to Point Roberts in shambles…
why would anyone go to what’s now a literally lawless country. this is not a joke, the US is not safe.
Do it, but you’re not really impacting the right group with that one. I live in about as tourist beach of an area as California gets which is basically nill. This area was once intended as such but without Australian sand imports California beaches are rocks and gravel. Around LA, tourism is not really a big deal outside of Disney stuff and that is pretty left leaning last I checked. Now Florida, most of that is another story.
Like usual the problem is actually American venture capital which has no boarders and is far harder to track down and boycott.
without Australian sand imports California beaches are rocks and gravel
No way!! I’ve been to Santa Monica and I never would have guessed.
Most of the sand went up in Los Angeles county proper. It was diverted near the end of imports. The Newport Beach area has a ton too, but down here in South Orange County the beaches were not as supplemented and have already gone back to their rocky nature.
This area is actually one of the few deep water upwelling regions on the planet. The reason why is the combination of wind direction and shore angle but also because just off of the coast the water is quite deep. Just a few hundred feet offshore the water can easily hit 100+ feet deep in many areas and there are valleys descending underwater. Like there is a dive park on Catalina Island over near the Casino. At around 50 feet from the shore the depth is already at the recreational dive limits, there is a ship at 106 feet down IIRC from two decades ago.
Any sand gets washed down hill and into the valleys. That is why certain beaches were built to massive depths of sand like in Santa Monica and Newport. Eventually it will all wash away. There is no shallow coral reef structure or anything like that around Los Angeles, the water is too deep and cold to support anything like that. During the summer, if it is calm for a few weeks the upper thermocline will be around 20 feet down but it only takes one solid wind event and it will be back up around 8 feet down. On Catalina there were 3 major thermoclines in the middle of summer and at 100 feet it was quite chilly.
But yeah, all that white sand is from Australia and stopped getting imported around 20 years ago IIRC. Natural beaches here are rocky with small spots of sedimentary sand.
This is so fascinating from an ecological perspective. I had no idea this was a thing! Thanks for sharing!
Now I want Trump to have tariffs on sand.
I will be curious ro see the numbers next year; Canada is yet to put a travel advisory on the US, I believe Mexico and parts of Asia and Africa have, and I know countries in Europe have. Fun and exciting times, I have never thought I would live in a time that there would be not one but two times traveling to the US was advised against, and they have both been in the 2020’s.
I want to go to America, but only to visit the geography and a few specific cities like LA, New York and Miami. But I live almost the farthest place I could be from USA so essentially it takes 3 thousand dollars to go there half of that being a plane ticket.
Consider Montreal, Toronto, and Vancouver instead. Canada has some great geography, too. (The view of Niagara Falls is better from the Canadian side, for instance.)
I understand geography but I’m not sure if I’m sold on the city side
Toronto and Montreal have restaurants that are better or equal to NYC. Broadway will come to Canada if you boycott. NYE sucks. The big Christmas tree, is not enough to “escape our own Christmas spirit”.
For weather, Mexico, Cuba, Carribean is warmer when you need it. Canada has best summers.
purely my personal opinion. but i think the impact that done on America’s Tourism are not affecting the “right people” directly. large amount of these trump supporter are in non-tourist area/town/city. it’s gonna take a while for the effect of tourism trickle down to them. (and by the time it hit them, they gonna blame something else and not realize tourism was the source)
Agreed. A shockingly high percentage of Americans have never even left the state they were born in. Tourism may as well not exist and they would hardly feel a thing.
Red states will suffer the most first, Because of their dependency on tourism, not so much for blue heavy states
Florida, Texas, Tennessee, Louisiana, Alaska, Nevada are the red states I imagine will lose the most from a drop in tourism, though many East and West Coast blue states will lose a lot too.
I think red stades will spiral downwards first. On the west is most likely LA, Bay area, and San Diego.
Bay area has their own set of problems,
and lord knows america is really helping in that regard
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I’m confused. How do Canadians stop electing Trump, exactly?
They could vote against Trump if only they didn’t refuse to become a state, so this is their fault, really. u_u
sell vacation/winter homes, and visit elsewhere.
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