• tetris11@lemmy.ml
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      19 hours ago

      Got a summary? I know the onus is on me, but I’m not likely to dig much further

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          19 hours ago

          Within 50 years, the whole world population is going to shrink dramatically, and it will have nothing to do with declining birth rates.

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            17 hours ago

            That’s an interesting claim. Where are you getting that idea? Are you suggesting climate change will do this without decreasing birth rates?

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          19 hours ago

          Yeah, but that’s only a problem if elderly orderlies is an underpaid job that no one wants, and if people can’t afford to live on it when choosing such a profession.

          If the economy adjusts or society adjusts such that caring for the elderly is a highly sought out and secure job that can easily pay a mortgage, what’s the issue?

          This is what I mean when I say they will crash and their economy will adjust.

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            17 hours ago

            There aren’t enough tax payers paying into the system to sustain the end of life care, retirement funds/pensions/social security equivalents that an elderly population that large. when you have a 1:1 ratio of people paying in vs paying out your assistance levels will be extremely weak.

            No nation can sustain that large of an elder population. It’s not economically viable.

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              Under the current system. All retirement vehicles dependent on the investment market will crash horribly. Anyone with retirement funds in such a crash is doomed. Which will force a reset and a switch to a new financial system (see: Turkey’s various resets over the last 50 years, or Greece in the last 10). Money will be lost. The system will reset, re-valuate the demand for such services, and people will be paid in a new currency to plug the supply.

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                16 hours ago

                This has nothing to do with retirement funds in a stock market.

                The issue is entirely one of taxation. You need 2-3 people working for every retired person taking payments from the system. If you have 1:1 you cannot afford to do this which means either a massive die off of the elderly or a growing massive national debt.

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                  15 hours ago

                  Or you reset the currency, like Turkey has done many times before no? You swear off your debts, print new money.

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                    14 hours ago

                    No, because the issue is supply based. Changing the currency will never create a larger amount of money coming in than us leaving. Changing your currency also has very bad outcomes for your future ability to obtain loans which are critical for most nations.