The “Readers added context” feature is the only good thing about Twitter.

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      I’m surprised he hasn’t got rid of it yet. Maybe he has to have it in order to keep his few remaining advertisers?

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        The thing is, it’s usually long enough after his comments have had their impact that these additions are made. It’s really his having/eating cake feature. He can say some out and out false shit, it gets picked up by his base and spread, the community mod a day or two later goes “actually”, and if someone calls him out he can just say “oh but the community mod set things right” if he doesn’t just outright ignore it.

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          It took a while for the note on “makes no sense” to show up, but that first one appeared almost immediately.

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    Is this legit? That isn’t just ironic, but that last line is racists as hell. I mean, I’m fairly certain he’s racist if this is real or not but that last part was just so explicit in it

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      I think (I hope) the last line is from a completely different post, not a reply to the black woman. Tbh I thought it must have been a reply to someone with an NFT chimp avatar. It’s much nicer here in my naïve/sheltered mind than the real world 😕

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        It’s a different post/thread - you can tell from the time lines with the chimp one being made in 2018. However, no idea what the context of that was, and I’m not going to use Xitter to find out.

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        it has to be because if he actually blocked her she wouldn’t be able to reply to his tweets anymore

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      I think she’s attaching his chimp comment in her reply as a way of displaying his hypocrisy.

      But I’m not sure. I’ve never used Twitter and always find the screenshots stupid to read.

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        I didn’t use twitter before Elon bought it, and have stayed much further away since he has. It’s possible I’m misreading due to something like that, but if I am that’s also poor design. It looks like a legitimate reply to hers. If users can manipulate replies in line with their tweets that just makes the site even worse

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          I’m not a big Twitter user but how you know this isn’t a reply; firstly the date. The chimp tweet is 7 years old, the block conversation is from 3 days ago. Secondly, you see the white vertical lines between musks first and second tweet? That indicates it’s part of the same thread. The chimp tweet doesn’t have one because the woman has “quote tweeted” something he said in the past. Finally you see how “blocked” is in bold in his last tweet? That happens when you search for a word - it appears in bold in the results. I believe the woman went to musk’s profile and searched all his tweets for “blocked”. Then she quote tweeted it back to him in this conversation.

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            This is correct on all counts, it’s a quoted tweet. What we’re seeing is the “thumbnail” of the link. Click it and go to the post

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          After looking again I did notice the chimp comment is dated 2018, so I believe I’m correct

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      I wrote (and then deleted) a furious comment because I thought he was responding to her directly, too. I think she’s just retweeting an older tweet of his, though… which is why I deleted the furious comment.

      Still, it’s not much of a stretch to imagine him actually, deliberately saying this.

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      He’s a white South African who’s daddy made his money with slave labor. He’s definitely a racist.

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      I haven’t added one myself, but this is my understanding: all Twitter users can opt into the community notes feature but at first you can only rate notes as helpful or unhelpful. Once you’ve rated 5 notes you have the ability to write your own. You can do so on any tweet, but if your note(s) don’t get enough “helpful” ratings, you lose your ability to write them. You have to go back to rating notes - once you’ve rated 5 more you can write again.

      When you add a note you chose a reason why you’re adding it, similar to explaining why you’re reporting a comment on lemmy. If you say that the original tweet is misleading you have to say why and provide a source. It only shows on the tweet to everyone if you get enough “helpful” ratings from the people who have opted into the scheme.

      Not very EILI5 but you get the jist!

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        Thanks, now I understand this better… And yeah this dude is a real jerk.

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    Blocking on Twitter is not the same thing as blocking on lemmy.

    Twitter has a “mute” feature that is equivalent to the feature lemmy has. That mute feature is staying.

    Lemmy let’s you hide all of a users posts by blocking them, but that block does not prevent them from commenting for others to see. On Twitter, it did.

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    Wouldn’t be surprised if this is just yet another genius move for introducing blocks as a paid feature.

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    Why are people arguing about whether blocking on Lemmy is better or hypocritical or whatever? I’m pretty sure this post is just about Elon being a hypocrite, and is saying absolutely nothing about Lemmy

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      I really don’t know. But I’ve had to give multiple warnings, a temporary ban and a permanent ban already so I really hope we can just stick to enjoying musk being called out and not argue over irrelevant/nonexistent issues.

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    I’m kinda having hard time understanding this. Bypassing blocks in Twitter was always so trivial, essentially same as mute. Just open the profile on another account or incognito.

    Official twitter app even supports multiple accounts by default.

    Only way to actually prevent unwanted people from interacting with you was to make your profile private so you can approve every follower individually.

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    How old is this conversation?

    I don’t expect Elon to have the various store policies memorized, but shouldn’t an employee be aware of this shit? Why is he being schooled by users?

    Maybe he fired the “policy advisor”, too.

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      Elmo doesn’t run ideas past people. He’s reached the no-filter point where he just posts whatever he thinks of as the next twitter policy. He’s done that pretty much since Day 1 at twitter, and he was getting close to that at tesla.

      There’s a theory that the drugs he was reportedly doing to stay awake 23 hours a day while the Model 3 was a non-shipping supply chain disaster (which threatened him with the loss of a multi-billion dollar bonus, iirc) gave him a speed induced psychosis. He was always an arrogant prick who used lies to con people, now he’s someone with a decompensated personality disorder on top of that.

      I believe his lack of content moderation has already led to several violations of european laws which are making their way through the courts.

      He will simply walk it back once they’re actually threatened with having their app pulled.

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    I’m confused. Isn’t “block” on the fediverse essentially the same as mute on Twitter? Don’t get me wrong, I dislike Elon as much as the next sane person does and I do like the idea of block as it’s implemented on Twitter vs fediverse, but I also understand why it’s not possible on the fediverse. So I’m kind of just asking, isn’t it kind of shooting ourselves in the foot to argue against him on this point? He can easily turn around and just say it’s the same way as the fediverse. And I feel like it’s even worse when we use the fediverse to make these accusations. It makes us look either stupid or hypocritical. I guess there’s a small sliver of hope in the argument “you should implement the best block the technology allows” but that seems a lot more nuanced then many people will listen to.

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      As far as I’m aware “mute” means the other person can still see your profile and comments and they can still reply to those comments - they just won’t show on your feed or in your messages. This is absolutely useless if you’ve been threatened or stalked by someone.

      “Block” means the other person can’t see your profile or any of your comments and you can’t see theirs. Lemmy has “block” for users and “ban” for admins and moderators. I wasn’t aware that Lemmy has “mute” but I’m not an expert.

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        Block on Lemmy doesn’t prevent the blocked person from seeing your posts.

        Edit: which is the crux of comparing mute on Twitter to block on Lemmy/Kbin/Mastodon etc.

        Even defederating doesn’t stop them from seeing your posts. It just means you don’t collect theirs.

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          Are you sure? I haven’t blocked anyone on this account because the admins told me if I do I can’t see that person’s comments in the communities I moderate… which rather interferes with moderating.

          Can you block me for a bit so I can try it? Can you even block a moderator? You probably shouldn’t be able to do that within the community they moderate because that completely defeats the object.

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            You’re kind of proving my point. If you block me, it just means you can’t see me.

            Edit: the “problem” with blocking on the fediverse is that the concept of block needs to be implemented server side, not client side. So every instance would need to implement it meaning everything you post would have to carry the information of who you block. It’s how publishing works in ActivityPub. There’s no way for another instance to know that you blocked XYZ so how would they know not to show you that post? Also in regards to defederating, publishing is basically a fancy RSS feed. Anyone can read it, even just you if you view that port. So it’s kind of just blindly shooting it out into the world. Defederating means you explicitly don’t read certain RSS feeds but you can’t stop them from reading yours. You could networkly block someone, but that’s on a different layer of communication beyond the web application’s capabilities.

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              I wasn’t arguing against your point, I just asked if you were sure because I didn’t have any experience of it. If you shut down genuine discussions and questions with “you’re proving my point” you prevent people from growing and learning. But whatever, have a nice day.

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                ~~Dude, we’ve had discussions before and I’m all for you going somewhere else and suddenly complaining about how you had a bad time with me not providing you a genuine discussion, but when your whole comment reiterates my point, what are you expecting to happen? You just described that you were told XYZ happens and that’s exactly what I said would happen.

                Its becoming pretty fucking clear from my interactions with you that you don’t understand honest discussions.~~

                Edit: I realized a few minutes after posting it was another mod with a similar name. Came back to correct it. I got ahead of myself.

                The rest of it still stands though. The behavior you were told would occur is the exact behavior I’m describing.

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                  I genuinely don’t know what you’re talking about, but I do know you’re becoming aggressive and not only is that completely unwarranted, it’s against the rules of this community. I think it’s best we don’t interact with each other at all, outside of moderating.

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              They wanted you to block them. So they could test if they could still see your comments after that.

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                That doesn’t change anything. They’re saying they were told if they block someone, XYZ would happen. And XYZ is what I described. What would changing the direction do? It’s like just asking to be on the other side of the exact behavior that I’m describing. It doesn’t offer new information.

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                  Because they want to see if that is what actually happens. Come on man.

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                Plus, I already know for a fact it works that way. Because I experienced it. I blocked someone and then later, noticed they replied to me because I had not logged in yet.

                Like, I don’t think I should have to prove the way the published documentation says activitypub works. This is objective fact of how it works. There’s no way for me to know who blocks me unless I admin the server where that person actually is and I modify the code to view it. But the activitypub protocol doesn’t publish that and I totally understand why. It’s like how Lemmy doesn’t show aggregated voting, only the voting of that instance. It’s extra info that needs to be added. Now imagine if every blocking action was also now encoded in an activitypub and every instance that read it had to keep that info. Databases would grow much faster than they do now. It’s simply not effective. And it’d have to be repeated so new instances also will get it. So you’re basically adding at least a daily or weekly posting, unencrypted of who everyone is blocking. All you gotta do is setup an instance and just ignore that data. But then you could easily target people who target you. Being entirely transparent is part of the reason blocking can’t work.

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      Why not just advocate for both services having a block feature.

      We’re users, not Lemmy creators. This would be like criticizing Instagram users for using a Facebook service when it’s Facebook and Zuckerberg who are the problems.

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        Because there’s no real way to implement blocking on a decentralized platform without severely increasing overhead per post, plus it’d be super easy for any instance to ignore it. I meant what i said when I claimed to understand why it’s not on the fediverse. It’s a logistical nightmare that would greatly increase the server requirements to host and defeat the intent.

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          But I still don’t see why this makes users the hypocrites.

          I also know why it’s not on the fediverse but that doesn’t mean I support the lack of blocking.

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        I agree but I think you’ve got confused with your analogy - meta owns Facebook and Instagram.

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      Comparing the platforms and making some weird “is it ok to criticize Twitter when Lemi does it the same way” argument is weird.

      Elon can turn around say whatever he wants because he owns the comedy club he paid way too much for, and because it’s a free internet, and because he literally doesn’t care about facts or feelings or anything other than being popular to a weird gaggle of trolls. Believe me, if he points at Lemi to say “see? They don’t have blocking and they’re making fun of me” it’s because it bothers his ego and nothing more.

      And Twitter needs to have blocking. People have to be able to remove harassment from their social existence there. I assume a number of hateful accounts will/have resurfaced on my feeds with the removal of blocking, thankfully I haven’t used Twitter since he took over and I won’t.

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        I don’t understand why different platforms have different needs. Why does Twitter need it, but every application on the fediverse does not?

        Edit: and how is it weird to criticize someone for doing the same thing someone else does when you’re ok with that someone else doing it? That’s literally defining double standards.

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            I feel like everyone is skipping over my comment of understanding why the fediverse doesn’t and the one comment about the nuanced approach.

            Too many people don’t understand ActivityPub’s limitations. You can’t implement that level of blocking in any feasible way. That’s literally why no one does it.

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    If you are getting harassed, or just annoyed by another user you can still mute them. That takes their posts off your feed entirely.

    The feature they are removing is one that was routinely abused. Someone spreads misinformation, or says something dumb, and gets called out on it. They say “source?” And block the user calling them out, and now that person can’t respond and be seen by anyone in that thread. The audience thinks they just abandoned the conversation.

    Block was there to help liars and the stubbornly misinformed censor other people, it’s good that it’s gone. It’s worth noting that now X/Twitter works the same way Lemmy does. Lemmy never had a block feature the way X used to.

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      I really don’t think stalking victims would agree it’s good “block” has gone. I understand how it was being abused - it’s frustrating and annoying but not being able to completely block someone on social media is more than that, it can be real-world dangerous. Think domestic violence, custody disputes, abusive parents etc. Social media can be invaluable for at-risk people, but not if they can’t block the people putting them at risk.

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        If someone’s stalking users they need to be banned by the mods.

        Creating a feature that allows anyone to censor anyone else in a conversation ends up ruining the entire conversation.

        Again, lemmy doesn’t have this. Are you just as mad at the people developing and operating lemmy servers for this?

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          I’m not mad and I’m confused why you think I am?

          Personally, I consider lemmy and Reddit to be different from Facebook, Twitter and other social media. You generally don’t know any redditors/lemmings irl and in an anonymous forum it’s much easier to stay truly anonymous. On Facebook and I think soon on Twitter, you’re meant to use your real name and in some cases show government ID.

          So no, I’m not mad at Lemmy developers, I’m not mad at anyone at the moment. But as someone who was stalked (thankfully before social media existed) I am concerned for other victims, particularly as Twitter doesn’t have moderators anymore. Even if they reinstated them, moderators can slow to act on such a large platform and they only enforce the rules of the platform - someone just reading your posts isn’t breaking any rules, yet they could be using that information to cause you a real-world harm. That’s why I think the block feature needs to exist, but it just my opinion. We can have different opinions without arguing.

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            If your Twitter is publicly viewable then blocks do nothing to protect you, because someone could still see your profile by making a new account.

            If you just don’t want to see harassing posts, mute works for that.

            The only people that need a block feature are those trying to censor others

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            Neither of our instances let you block users like Twitter used to. Are you going to complain to your admin?

            If you think it’s dangerous when Elon does it, but perfectly fine when your admin does it, then it doesn’t sound like it the actual feature that matters.

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              What are you talking about? Why would I complain to an admin? Dangerous when Elon does what?
              You’re a nutcase.

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                  Arguing is against the rules of this community. I’m going to nuke this whole thread because it’s becoming nasty and that’s not welcome here either. Please read the rules and make sure you don’t break them again or you will be banned. Thank you.

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        Blocking on Twitter is not the same thing as blocking on lemmy.

        Twitter has a “mute” feature that is equivalent to the feature lemmy has. That mute feature is staying.

        Lemmy let’s you hide all of a users posts by blocking them, but that block does not prevent them from commenting for others to see.