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    2 days ago

    it still doesn’t make it right to preventive invade a country.

    it does 100%. As in Cuba 1962. https://lemmy.ca/post/40224482

    Where was the security risk for Russia? Nobody wanted or wants to invade Russia.

    Absurd. US/NATO has always wanted to destroy Russia. Like the missiles in Cuba, its more “Fuck you and do what I tell you” destruction instead of invasion.

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      Ok, that’s nothing I can morally get behind with

      Just the same imperial bullshit like every other big nation is doing…

      Although seemingly with the ethics from 50-100 years ago.

      I’d have hoped, that we have gotten better.

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        Evil comes from power, and the greatest evil from the greatest power. Complete disrespect and dismissal of Russia forced it to resist great evil. It is simply wrong to attribute Imperial status to it.

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          So, attacking Georgia was also just self defence, because Russia is always somehow the victim and just wants to make things right?

          That’s a bit much in my book

          Russia obviously has imperialistic motives, Putin himself even said, that he wants to build up the USSR again.

          Of course they’re imperialistic.
          And I’m very sure, they won’t stop at Ukraine.

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            Putin himself even said, that he wants to build up the USSR again.

            That is a trope that doesn’t mean invading for no reason. The US wants to build a manufacturing base again. Also what he actually said that its too bad the USSR disolved. Times were better then.

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              He actually said, that he wants to rebuild Russia to the old USSR size and it was a failure to let it break apart

              And still, why did he attack Georgia?

              Should we just let Russia attack other nations randomly, because somehow their nostalgic feelings get hurt or they somehow feel misunderstood and threatened?

              There were many approaches to talks before the invasion and Russia always just talked about a training - until they actually invaded.

              How should we deal with someone who constantly breaks his word?
              (Same thing for the USA, but that’s another topic)

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                And still, why did he attack Georgia?

                Same story of CIA puppetry causing a separatist movement. Ukrainian nazi got power in Georgia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikheil_Saakashvili

                He shit disturbed country enough to create secessionist movement that Russia chose to defend.

                Russia always just talked about a training - until they actually invaded.

                Dead wrong. They were serious about red lines.

                How should we deal with someone who constantly breaks his word?

                You have to distinguish between Ukrainian nazi BS accusations of breaking his word, and facts. Facts require looking at world from all sides.

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                  So, poor Russia always got tricked into needing to invade foreign sovereign states, to save the people there and itself with it?

                  Oh come on…
                  I don’t believe in fairy tales

                  Edit: and so Europes defense plans are a threat against Russia as well?
                  https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-vladimir-putin-eu-defense-plans-kremlin-retaliatory-measures/
                  So, we must not prepare to possibly defend ourselves, because else we will get attacked?
                  And if not, well then we’re easier to take over…

                  Great logic here

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                    2 days ago

                    picking a side in civil war is also what they did in Afghanistan. US puppeteering civil wars in ex CIS states is something you should focus on more.