Reminded me of a typical argument between me and my delusional, selfish, narcissistic parents as a teenager. Saying anything at all would make them throw a tantrum.
Trump and Vance did the same type of thing: expected complete fealty after they had voted against Ukraine to join NATO and demanded respect when the previous administration were the ones that did most of the work beforehand. Getting pouty and shouty when he didn’t agree to their shitty “deal.” Brought up meaningless arguments about “respect” and not saying thank you when he had multiple times. Utter madness.
This was about putting on a show for their constituents and they would have done the same if he went in there kissing their asses. But he refused to play the game which made them angrier.
Vance bringing up the conspiracy theory shit about Zelensky putting on a show for visitors as if he was exaggerating is what really set me off. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together saw right through this bullshit song and dance.
Yeah it was just bizarre… the “stupid president” helped you… so you need to thank me.
Yeah, I though Zelensky did a decent job of managing his emotions. Most of us would have popped Trump in the mouth before that had ended. (And WTF was up with that guy asking if Zelensky owned a suit? That should have been an automatic throat punch.) Being an American is embarrassing right now. My apologies to the rest of the world. We’re a dumpster fire.
His attire has been a talking point of the pro-Russians for quite some time. It’s supposed to denote a lack of respect or something.
Yeah, just like they would complain if he did wear a suit. There’s just no winning with these guys.
The only person who did something wrong was Trump, supported by his deputy. They did not only verbally attack Ukraine (and, by doing so, Europe), Trump and Vance didn’t even pretend to make a case for American interests, given Vance’s complaint about Zelensky who thanked U.S. ammunition workers in Pennsylvania when he travelled there, because, in the new U.S. administration’s view, this is seen as a support for the Democratic party.
The only positive thing is that the meeting was held in front of TV cameras so the world could witness the self-sabotage of the United States of America. A ‘behind the scene’ treachery would supposedly be much more harmful to Ukraine. The picture becomes more complete if we look that earlier this week, the U.S. had already voted at the United Nations against Ukraine, siding with Russia and China.
But now, the truth is out: The two men now holding the highest office in the White House are ready to sell the U.S. and its allies to the worst dictators on the globe, as Trump literally admires bad persons as he has been saying over and again. This is a signal the world has finally received. In Ukraine and Europe, but also in Taiwan, and the rest of the Asia-Pacific region, in Africa, in Latin America. It’s a tough issue for Ukraine and the democratic world that must now reorganize.
But the toughest long-term challenge is already out for the U.S. Its allies’ lost trust won’t recover, and the world’s dictators will pursue their own goals (maybe even more than ever). The United States are alone in a connected, globalized world. And this means that, with or without Trump at the helm, it’ll become increasingly difficult to make America great again.
I am convinced that this is not what the majority of U.S. people want for their country.
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I’m worried America won’t be alone for long. Other countries have fascists to deal with too.
If we resist them, we save the world. If we fail, the new world order will be Nazis everywhere.
And he’s correct.
He did nothing wrong. Trump and Vance were the ones who threw a tantrum because zelensky didn’t immediately agree to their plan.
And they were pissed he didn’t wear a suit 🤣
They want it to considered purely as a business deal. Any reminder that Zelenskyy is leading a country that’s fighting a war to defend their country from a dictator doesn’t fit their narrative.
WTF was up with that guy?
That guy is Brian Glenn. He’s a host on “Real America’s Voice”, a right-wing to far-right station and the boyfriend of Marjory Taylor Greene.
The attending “press” has been pre-selected and it’s not a stretch to assume that these people know what’s expected of them. The narrative is that not wearing a suit is a sign of disrespect. When Trump greeted Zelensky in the beginning he also made a remark about it.
Exactly, it was all a setup to push the narrative that Ukraine doesn’t respect the Oval Office. Same reason Couch Fucker Vance kept saying “you haven’t even said thank you once.”
He didn’t. He was the only adult there.
100%. I wish I ever could have been as proud of any of our presidents.
Fat Donnie did this to make Zelenskyy look bad (LOL) and shame him into complying on the “art of the steal” by a bully. It was also a way to make a public excuse for not supporting Ukraine and siding with his actual employer, puny putin.
Imagine if Reagan could have lived long enough to see a republican steal his “make america great again” slogan, turn it into a cult, and then use that cult to be submissive to russia.
Takes a real shitbag to make Reagan look like the better option.
And I never thought I would se a President dumber than W. But the orange cancer sure blew that one away by 10,000,000 miles.
W. was certainly not the brightest bulb and unfortunately easily swayed by truly evil people around him (like Cheney), but I think as a president he always did what he thought was best for the country and its people. Trump only ever does what he thinks is best for himself.
Why the hell do liberals rehabilitate Bush like this? He invaded sovereign countries and began a 20 year long occupation, hundreds of thousands were killed in his wars, he also stripped away out civil liberties and conducted mass surveillance, indefinite detention without trial, and torture.
“Always did what he thought was best for the people” what an absolute load of horseshit. I guess it just so happened that what he thought was best was to ship people off to kill and be killed while he and his buddies got rich off it.
Like goddamn, what do I gotta do to get people carrying water for me like that? “Yeah I robbed a convenience store at gunpoint, which was bad, but you have to acknowledge that I was doing what I believed was best for the American people. It’s not my fault, it’s just all the people I chose to surround myself with who led me to do it.” Where is your hate? You should want that motherfucker to hang!
I can always summarize my take on GW with that one time they ran a TV ad on how they added 2 new democracies to the olympic roster (I saw this fucking BS on CNN Europe live cca 2004 and it managed to make me fume even as a fairly apolitical young adult who then lived outside the US):
Besides getting a huge whipping from the International Olympic Committee for using the Olympics for political ads being illegal (so incredibly on brand) this also aged like milk.
Holy shit, I never saw that. If I hadn’t lived through it I’d think that ad was a parody. The fucking smugness of it, I stg, Bush makes me hope Hell is real.
Nah he started the Iraq invasion because dubya has daddy issues and wanted to stick it to his old man. Fuck outta here with “he did what he thought was best for the country”
So all the European leaders are saying they stand with Ukraine. However that’s nothing but “thoughts and prayers” until they bloody do something. Get some boots on the ground or planes in the air. Do something!
The European Leaders are just worse at marketing themselves, but they are doing considerably more
He stood up to American traitors better than any American ever did.
There was one. He was 18 or 19. Over the summer.
I hope America makes a movie about him, with dramatic swelling music with a silouhette of him taking aim in the trailer.
He did nothing wrong. Trump and Vance are comprised cowards. I’m sorry Ukraine.
Narrator: he didn’t.
Trump managed to find a way to make me even more embarrassed for our country and angry at his douchebagness.
Zelenskyy has the strength Private Bonespurs will never possess.
I saw that Pz Zelenskyy also thanked America for hosting him, as if he’d been calmly met by a proper head of state.
It takes a special kind of statesman to be blindsided by two half-wit kids and harangued on TV and then treat it as if it was business as usual.
Remember that Pz Zelenskyy is not your typical politician: he’s a comedian who won the seat. How is it that this Everyman is more a leader and a collaborator, and those two are clowns out of the slow car?
I’ve been watching Hacks, and one thing a good comedian learns is how to read a room and handle a heckler. Zelenskyy knew he couldn’t just shut them down because of the power dynamics, but he also knew this wasn’t going to play well for Trump with the rest of the room. He didn’t back down and yet he didn’t take the bait to give them any real excuse to pull US support. They exposed their Russian puppet-strings for the world to see.
Can I upvote you 1000 times?
Yeah - Trump, Vance & their ghouls planned this and there is nothing Zelensky could have done except maybe selling off his country to the russians
the squishy stinky diaper was offering nothing. not a fucking god damn thing other than future betrayal…
a betrayal you know is coming, one that krasnov’s been setting up for years now, and one that will forever tarnish relations between the u.s. and its long-time allies everywhere.
krasnov
Just in case, “red” as in hair color is “рыжий” in Russian, so it would be Ryzhov.
I think that was a reference to this A former KGB officer alleged Donald Trump was enlisted by the KGB in 1987 and was given the codename “Krasnov”.
Flying to Washington instead of Moscow was a mistake.
he’s got a big heart, and an impossible job, but he’s been naive.
I’m sure you’re a Russian troll but if the wartime leader of Ukraine flew to Moscow right now he’d not even make it to the Kremlin before dissappearing. Europe would then condemn Russia for its actions (similar to when the Saudis made that journalist dissappear) and Ukraine would be in a ton of shit.
Why would you say something silly like that ?
Washington is Moscow now.
Technically he’s the first one to say something clearly out of protocol (of course Trump and Vance said a lot of irritating things), but countries don’t break alliances over such things, and they’ve had a lot of time to discuss something without cameras, so it’s simply a prepared scene.
I just don’t know what’s this supposed to illustrate. If it’s a scene by Trump&Vance to “justify” drying out of military support, then why would Zelensky participate in it. If it’s a scene by Zelensky, then what in the world would he gain by it. If it’s a mutually agreed scene, then, again, see previous.
You have to remember that during Trump’s first administration, there was a terrible U.S. ambassador who committed a hit-and-run in the UK, killing a cyclist. The victim’s family traveled to the U.S. to seek justice, hoping the president would revoke her diplomatic immunity since she had fled the country.
The moronic president, treating it like a reality TV stunt, had the ambassador unexpectedly pop into a meeting with the grieving family—on live TV—to say sorry. This is just how his broken brain operates.
Doesn’t explain Zelensky playing along (I can’t call his behavior anything else).
I think they do have some plan to which Zelensky consented (however reluctantly) and this was a “reality TV stunt” to make it appear plausible. Maybe to save Zelensky’s face in Ukraine to have the same partner in negotiations after ceasefire and the new Ukrainian election (has been postponed for almost a year, but that can’t go on indefinitely).
Or maybe yes. In any case this was unfitting.
If it’s a scene by Trump&Vance to “justify” drying out of military support, then why would Zelensky participate in it.
Zelensky is interested in public support.
There doesn’t even have to be an agenda. It’s a press meeting as a conclusion to talks. As elected leaders and/or representatives it makes sense to participate.
If he wouldn’t have participated, how would that be better? They could still justify it - in even more of a vacuum to define their own views and spins. It would be worse.
I meant being rude too.
