he’s becoming self aware
title stolen from 13coveredinyou@twitter
been more than a week since I got to use this
ironically Mike from PA up there isn’t even MAGA. he’s a vocal pro-union progressive 😬
yea used to make one tailored to every group but turns out there are too many so just using this now
Almost.
This guy is such a fucking chode.
I personally think Russia has something on him (and, indeed, many people in power), but to play devil’s advocate: we’ll never know if this is truly the case form him until the future if ever. There are all kinds of other reasons in line with narcissism and a number of other things/rewards that could explain it otherwise. Something something correlation causation.
I didn’t think I’d see the day Mike admitted a mistake like that. Times are dire, folks…
like how long has it been since the first evidence of trump russian ties was public 😭 almost 40 years? the abject hatred of “libs” from the far far left is clearly blinding and i wish more people would see that
and Trump has been in power 40 days lol. A little over a month. Not even 3% of his term.
Truth be told, I don’t even know what an actual far left is. I always saw the left-right spectrum as woefully asymmetrical, because there’s a handful of ways of getting things right (as in being correct factually + morally) and a million ways of getting them wrong. The former generally aligns with “left”, and the latter with “right”.
I’ve seen some vile opinions from people supposedly on the left which were indistinguishable from the far right, and it starts like you said with this irrational need to avoid agreeing with liberals at all costs, which in time leads them down delusion avenue.
I mean, Trump is also supporting a genocide in Palestine… So…
Yeah but conservatives don’t care about brown people, remember?
the irony is that Mike from PA is a vocal self-described progressive, not a conservative
he just has a really flawed/compromised understanding of international politics
He got them to agree to a cease fire and Israel had to withdraw from most of the land in the 1st 20hrs in office. What did Biden do?
You mean the ceasefire that Biden negotiated, that is about to fall apart under Trump?
Go move to Russia since you love it so much, traitor.
Lmao…
You think Biden was going to Bibi to agree to a peace plan…
We just needed more of him going around congress in violation of US and international law to supply weapons that publicly available information confirmed was being used for a genocide, right?
Four more years of Kamala “doing the same as Biden” and Bibi would have agreed, right?
I am glad I checked post history to see if a block was warranted. No one who legitimately believes that shit is ever gonna be worth listening to.
I’ll see you when you make your next account I guess, this one’s brand new so I probably got a couple weeks if you do them one by one.
Lol thats how much the media has brain washed you. Biden gave bombs to Israel to kill innocent Palestinians civilians. There was no cease fire with prisoners exchange until the 20hrs of trump presidency. Go to Ukraine and help them fight then if you are so concerned, brainwashed sits at home in confort while thousands of people die and doesnt even know the facts of the cease fire smh!
Zelensky can stop this war today. He rather his people keep dying, his country losing territory as long as the money in coming in. Putin will own all of ukraine at this pace. Its clear Zelensky is not looking for peace!
Stop hitting yourself!
Putin can stop this war today. He rather his people keep dying, his country invading territory as long as the money in coming in. Zelenskyy will own all of Ukraine at this pace. It’s clear Putin is not looking for peace!
Well then you support Russia taking over all of Ukraine. If Putin wasn’t looking for peace then why send their people to talk about peace. Russia will win that war if they cant come to an agreement and Zelensky is the only one holding up peace!
If i kick your head in and tell you to give me your money, then tell you i don’t want to hurt you. You are hurting yourself by not just giving me your money. Will you say the same thing you’re saying right now? I mean, i am telling you i don’t want to hurt you. Why do you not believe me? Why do you want to be hurt more? Do you enjoy being hurt? Do you want others to keep seeing you get hurt?
Oooh, can I help? I’ll hold NastyNative down while you kick his head in.
How is life at the GRU these days? You really drew the short straw you have to brigade all by yourself here on Lemmy. You took a wrong turn somewhere, you’re looking for reddit.
Go home Russian troll bot. Can someone ban this obvious troll/bot account?
This is a truly insane take. A peace agreement was never on the table. All that was discussed was a ceasefire deal without any security guarantee from the US. That is, a pause in the fighting allowing Russia to regroup. Russia has invaded with the intent of taking all of Ukraine (remember the tank column heading to Kyiv?). He will not stop until either he captures Ukraine or there is a security force in place to stop him.
That is a lie this is not the Palestine deal you might be confusing the two. I understand where you are coming from that Russia might regroup and attack again. I understand that concern and that is something that can be ironed out at the diplomacy table Zelensky refuses to sit at. The 2 options are let this war continue or come to the diplomacy table get EU/US to pledge their military support boots in the ground in Ukraine and lets stop the bleeding.
Just adding Zelensky’s own words here to make it clear that he is not the one in the way of diplomacy, but that security guarantees are a must:
“We are very grateful to the United States for all the support. I’m thankful to President Trump, Congress for their bipartisan support, and American people. Ukrainians have always appreciated this support, especially during these three years of full-scale invasion.
America’s help has been vital in helping us survive, and I want to acknowledge that. Despite the tough dialogue, we remain strategic partners. But we need to be honest and direct with each other to truly understand our shared goals.
It’s crucial for us to have President Trump’s support. He wants to end the war, but no one wants peace more than we do. We are the ones living this war in Ukraine. It’s a fight for our freedom, for our very survival.
As President Reagan once said: ‘Peace is not just the absence of war.’ We’re talking about just and lasting peace – freedom, justice, and human rights for everyone. A ceasefire won’t work with Putin. He has broken ceasefires 25 times over the last 10 years. A real peace is the only solution.
We are ready to sign the minerals agreement, and it will be the first step toward security guarantees. But it’s not enough, and we need more than just that. A ceasefire without security guarantees is dangerous for Ukraine. We’ve been fighting for three years, and Ukrainian people need to know that America is on our side.
I cannot change Ukraine’s position on Russia. The Russians are killing us. Russia is the enemy, and that’s the reality we face. Ukraine wants peace, but it must be a just and lasting peace. For that, we need to be strong at the negotiation table. Peace can only come when we know we have security guarantees, when our army is strong, and our partners are with us.
We want peace. That’s why I came to the United States, and visited President Trump. The deal on minerals is just a first step toward security guarantees and getting closer to peace. Our situation is tough, but we can’t just stop fighting and not having guarantees that Putin will not return tomorrow.
It will be difficult without the US support. But we can’t lose our will, our freedom, or our people. We’ve seen how Russians came to our homes and killed many people. Nobody wants another wave of occupation. If we cannot be accepted to Nato, we need some clear structure of security guarantees from our allies in the US.
Europe is ready for contingencies and to help fund our large army. We also need the US role in defining security guarantees – what kind, what volume, and when. Once these guarantees are in place, we can talk with Russia, Europe, and the US about diplomacy. War alone is too long, and we don’t have enough weapons to push them out entirely.
When someone talks about losses, every single life matters. Russia invaded our homes, killed our people, and tried to erase us. This isn’t just about territories or numbers – it’s about real lives. That’s what we need everyone to understand.
I want the US to stand more firmly on our side. This is not just a war between our two countries; Russia brought this war on to our territory and into our homes. They are wrong because they disrespected our territorial integrity.
All Ukrainians want to hear a strong US position on our side. It’s understandable the US might look for dialogue with Putin. But the US has always spoken about ‘peace through strength’. And together we can take strong steps against Putin.
Our relationship with the American president is more than just two leaders; it’s a historic and solid bond between our peoples. That’s why I always begin with words of gratitude from our nation to the American nation.
American people helped save our people. Humans and human rights come first. We’re truly thankful. We want only strong relations with America, and I really hope we will have them.”
President Zelensky’s actions seem to contradict the support he has received. Despite billions of dollars in assistance for Ukraine’s war efforts, there has been no agreement on critical issues such as mineral resources (no discount). While words may express gratitude, it is ultimately actions that demonstrate a country’s true intentions. Furthermore, the European Union has purchased more oil and gas from Russia than it has pledged to Ukraine in support. Many of the claims made by President Zelensky appear to be overstated, and there is a perception that he is attempting to leverage emotional appeals to influence public opinion, particularly within the United States.
- The initial agreement would always be a ceasefire. Don’t be daft. Drawing up a peace agreement is extremely difficult and would always take much more time. The ceasefire could be a runup to eventual peace, or it can offer the opportunity to regroup before resuming hostilities. The uncertainty is the issue here. There can be no ceasefire without it.
- Zelensky was not invited to the peace talks in Saudi-Arabia, and was expelled from the White House yesterday for suggesting a security guarantee. Apparently desiring that key component is considered “disrespectful”. It is therefore inaccurate to say that Zelensky is refusing diplomacy.
- Aside from that, giving up 30 percent of your land to a country that has massmurdered your citizens is a tough ask. Especially, since that 30 percent contains key resources and strategic control of the Black Sea. I would, at a minimum, ask you to put yourself in his shoes. Would you make such a deal? (Again, the main point here is that there is no hope of a lasting without security guarantees, but at a minimum consider that such a deal would be a huge blow to Ukraine).
1 . The ceasefire agreement in question pertains specifically to Hamas and Israel, not Russia. Russia has repeatedly stated that it will not agree to a ceasefire without accompanying diplomatic negotiations. Russia’s stance is not to settle for a mere cessation of hostilities but to pursue a comprehensive and lasting peace agreement.
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The rationale behind inviting President Zelensky to peace negotiations raises significant questions, especially given his stance. Some argue that Zelensky’s insistence on Ukraine’s sovereignty and his pursuit of NATO membership are pivotal to the continuation of the conflict. There are those who interpret his calls for NATO membership as a signal of his reluctance to compromise, potentially prolonging the war. While some view this as a strategic stance to secure Ukraine’s future security, others perceive it as a barrier to peace, as it suggests an unwillingness to de-escalate or relinquish power.
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The issue of territorial loss in war is a deeply emotional and complex matter. Historically, it is rare for a nation to relinquish territory gained through military conflict, particularly after significant loss of life. The precedent suggests that, while such territory concessions are uncommon, they do occur under specific circumstances, often as part of peace negotiations. However, the political and societal costs associated with such decisions are considerable, especially when there has been substantial sacrifice in the conflict.
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So if someone would bust down the door of your house, kill some of your kids, kidnap the others.
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Rape
your spouse.
Then tell you, let us keep the leftover kids we didnt kill and keep most of your house. You can live in the basement. We will probably come for the basement too sometime soon.
Then you yell for help and others tell you "you could stop your partner from being
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raped
And your other kids from being killed if you just accept it and stay in your basement. Or do you want your family to continue being in pain?
Would you be like “will do! Thankyou! 🤗”?
Is something wrong with your brain?
I mean, i know you people have a cuckold fetish, but this is taking it to the extreme…
Interesting take. Let’s try it another way, Putin can stop his war I mean 3 day turned 3 year special military operation today. The Russians have failed. His people keep dying, his country’s economy obliterated, his military stopped by a tiny ass country, needs prisoners and North Korean soldiers to fight his battles. Revealed to the world Russia is a petrol state with nukes not a super power. This war would never have started if Ukraine kept their nukes.
The Russians have not failed they own almost 30% of Ukraine thanks to biden’s escalation tactics. This land is rich In grains and many massive oil reserves. The Wagner addition and NK troops were in response to the escalation game Biden was playing. This war should have never started and the US could have aided in Peace or escalated the situation. I dont think it was right for Putin to invade Ukraine I dont support it, but here we are do we make peace or do we make war!
Just because they’ve taken over 30% of Ukraine doesn’t mean they succeeded. This OPERATION was only supposed to last 3 days, we’re past 3 years now. They had to assassinate the head of Wagner because he was on his way to Moscow… I could go on and on but if you believe in peace and this war should’ve never started. Why are you blaming Zelenskyy instead of the world super powers who ripped up the treaties they signed with Ukraine to guarantee their security in exchange for their nukes?
The US ended operation Iraqi freedom like a year after but we fought all way until now basically. Thats how wars work they will never end because it makes money. Russia is at the table ready to end it and Zelensky wants to drag it out! Again I dont support Russias actions but we are in a situation now where Russia could take all of Ukraine specifically with support from the US ending. EU is purchasing more oil/gas from Russia than they have pledged in support of Ukraine. Everyone cares but the only one doing something about it is Trump. We could just look the other way!
Lol. You need a history lesson. Ukraine has signed numerous ceasefires every time they sign one, Russia rebuilds their military, and attacks again.
How many times do you need me to tell you, Putin and Russia’s word means jack shit. So why are you and Trump the peace keeper such a believer in Putin, when he is on record of not honoring his agreements?
Edit: you want peace, sell Ukraine some nukes. Watch how fast Russia comes to the table
Selling nuclear weapons to Ukraine represents a significant escalation strategy, one that is consistent with President Biden’s approach. However, such actions are unlikely to de-escalate the situation and could instead provoke further destructive retaliation from Russia. The argument that Russia would inevitably invade Ukraine fails to consider the role of diplomatic efforts. During the Trump administration, despite tensions, Russia did not move forward with an invasion, suggesting that diplomacy played a critical role in avoiding conflict. In contrast, the timing of Russia’s invasion under President Biden’s escalation tactics seems to have exacerbated the situation. The assumption that Russia would have invaded Ukraine regardless of these factors oversimplifies the complexities involved.
That was bait and you deep throated it. Thanks for revealing yourself as a trump nut or Russian bot. Goodbye
Fwiw, I’m 99% sure I saw this comment word for word on YouTube last night.
So, Trump siding with Putin over the USA’s own intelligence agencies wasn’t a big enough red flag for these people?
Those people love that red flag hat.
Nothing is a big enough red flag, but the last thing we want to do is ridicule them when they are starting to see the truth of the matter.
Can’t melt those snowflakes.
We need to grow our ranks right now, new allies should be welcomed and embraced. Escaping a cult isn’t easy
(Also, this example might not be the best, isn’t the account a satirical one?)
No, unfortunately he’s serious
No redemption for these fucksticks. Brand them as traitors for life.
The time for that was the civil war. What’s happening now is the price you pay for not doing that.
The best time to plant a tree was 100 years ago. The next best time is now!
Now is more like the time for that giant greening project in Africa to repair the ecosystem… If the metaphor still tracks I’ll leave it at that.
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In all seriousness, we’ve got to make room for folks to return to sanity. When they have these “ah ha” moments we should take those opportunities to walk them back to reality.
All the “leopards/faces” jokes, while cathartic, aren’t really helping and encourage people to turn their backs on sanity for comfort.
Is there actual concrete evidence of any MAGAs “returning to sanity” over this stuff? As much as I’d love to be wrong, I’m skeptical that anyone still in the MAGA camp after the past 10 years could see this administration do any kind of heinous shit and not immediately dismiss it as false or rationalize it in a way that conforms to the party narrative. I think they’ve all been irreversibly brainwashed by Fox News and weaponized social media.
My brother gave up on Trump and voted for Harris last year. It can be done, but they have to choose to do it on their own, and antagonizing them just pushes them back to Trump even more.
The bigger problem is that MAGA now controls most of the media. For every MAGA that sees the light there’s some apathetic low-info genius who joins the cult.
We have to find a way to counter fascist media, and frankly I don’t know how we can do that when the moneyed interests are almost entirely, and unsurprisingly, on the side of fascism.
The guy in OP is a tankie, not MAGA. Though admittedly, they serve the same master from different directions.
That’s why “lib” is such a problematic term. It means literally anything based on who is speaking it.
I have pretty heavy judgement for people who have made it well into adulthood without bothering to engage with the reality of what they support.
However, always leave room for people who were raised in this crap. It takes serious time to deprogram and some people will do it at 16 and others might take until 26. I’m 31 and still deconstructing some of the repressive religious bullshit from my childhood even though I swing hard left politically (well past the Democratic Party) at 18. The brain doesn’t stop developing until 25, so at least give them some leeway until then to figure out what they really believe.
I’ll always leave room for them, but I would still bet they will be fed their next set of talking points within the next 24 hours and be right back on board the crazy train.
That’s the real issue. If you have your fundamental beliefs shaken, you might reason through and come to a good, logical, moral conclusion. You might also do the cognitive dissonance thing and suppress the new revelation with bullshit. If, however, you have someone (faux news) right there with the cognitive dissonance spewing 24/7 and are in an echo chamber of others who are agreeing… well, it’s a good chance you’ll just accept the talking point and not question it.
Maybe the way to go about it is mocking them if they’re spouting the propaganda, and trying to help them in their reasoning if they’re questioning things.
Is there any evidence mocking them and alienating them from our views helps? People leave cults after being in them for years, so it’s not like profound change cannot occur at any time.
Plenty of regular people are rightfully very distrustful of certain 3 letter agencies because of the histories of those agencies. That alone is far from a red flag. Combined with his positions on things like the BLM protests though…
Honestly I dont care if they divine it through the splash their shit made against the bowl this morning as long as they come to the conclusion.
You get partial credit for the right answer, even if you got there by accident.
brb I need to go file a trademark request under the names “Shit Psychic” and “Poo Prophet”
I’m not sure you’ve really thought through what that economic endeavor would entail.
Honestly, with a name like that he’ll probably get hired by DOGE
Known as Mike from PA, Mike is a progressive Political Activist from Pennsylvania and is known as the Steelman of the left, Mike advocates for union labor and social democracy.
So… False flag Tweet?
Progressives aren’t libs, so nothing false flag about a progressive saying “the libs might have been right”.
The assumption that anyone who calls liberals “libs” is also pro-Trump is incorrect.
exactly lol it’s worse than a false flag he actually believes what he’s saying as a progressive
no he’s approaching this from an absurd leftist position, i actually thought more people would know who this guy was so sorry for the confusion
mike from PA is what a lot of people categorize as a tankie and was one of the people who was VERY vocal about not voting for harris under the pretext that trump might be better. so he does a lot of rhetoric that’s basically semi-MAGA advocacy
I’m not American so I don’t care either way. But it was my understanding that he voted against supporting the genocide of Palestinians. Kamala was still going to support the genocide.
yes that’s the reason. i do not judge most voters personally, but i do judge those who advocated against harris publicly and vocally when their understanding of international politics is this bad.
They get to see how well that theory plays out. Going from someone wagging the finger and maybe holding back some weapons to someone saying point blank to ethnic cleanse the region and change it to “Trump Gaza”
This is correct.
Missing from that summary is the fact that he’s a confirmed moron.
i literally have not seen one good piece of analysis from the man despite him ostensibly being “on my side.”
don’t put your voice leaders and influencers on pedestals, folks. not every pro-union organizer has correct opinions on the rest of the political landscape.
