• randomname@scribe.disroot.org
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    Not that I think Mr. Erdogan wouldn’t have an own agenda here, but it’s amazing that he says something I can agree with. It’s a rare event.

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    Turkey already playing the superpowers against each other perfectly, like a child of divorced parents.

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    They know if an Imperialist Russia is set loose, they are probably next on the chopping block.

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      I don’t think so. Turkiye has invested a lot in its military the past years and they are also heavily using it to fight Kurdish “terrorists” and establish “security buffer zones” in Syria. Also Turkiye while on difficult terms with the rest of NATO is controlling the Bosporus, which is vital for controlling the Black Sea. Russias Navy can easily be locked in in the Baltic and the Black Sea, which is why they were so eager to keep the Tartus base in Syria, as its only direct access to the Mediterranean Sea.

      Finally for invading Turkiye Russia has to go through the Kapart Mountain range or along the coast through Turkiyes and Israels lapdog Azerbaijan and then Iran, or try a naval invasion from the Black Sea. Both are a logistical headaches.

      So NATO is stronger on this flank, has a much stronger strategic interest and logistics are a pain. The other way round the Mountains and the Sea offer some cover, so Russia can defend on that flank. It makes more sense to go for the Baltic states next, if Russia wants to expand into this direction. Bonus points for having Ukraine and Belarus as a buffer zone to Poland and then Slovakia and Hungary as kind of Russian assets, further keeping that front safe.

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        this buffer zone shit is such crap… if you want a buffer zone, use your own god damn country or come to an agreement to share the burden of the zone!

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          It is. But as we see with both the response to Turkyie and Israel pulling this crap, Syrian sovereignty has no relevance for many NATO countries like the US, UK, France and Germany.

          My key argument is that the Turkish army doesn’t only have the equipment but also has combat veterans, which makes it more difficult to fight. When we look at Saudis failed attempts at putting boots on the ground in Yemen, or how the North Korean soldiers sent to Ukraine did at first, it is a strong reminder how important actual experience is, compared to just fancy equipment.

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            absolutely; we’re in no disagreement! my comment was intended as a “yes and” for something that seems to be a particular focus for conflict in modern history

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      There are at least two countries buffer between them and Putinland on either side of the Black sea, and Putin’s ambitions are set West first. They are pretty safe for the time being. The coast of the Black Sea has been the natural sphere of interest of whoever ruled Anatolia since the Bronce Age, though.

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    Strong “We’re relevant!!!1!!” vibes
    Also fun coming from a country currently occupying parts of Syria

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    What else would “peace talks” be about, other than negotiating about how much of Ukraine’s territorial integrity would be sacrificed?

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      How much reparations Russia has to pay to get sanctions lifted. My guess would be mining concessions because they’re broke. Requiring them to send DDT to the next ESC, with a blank cheque.

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      How to divide Ukrainian natural resources. Its the main goal of both Russia and usA, and i bet Ukraine wants to keep them

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    Vatan bütündür heads are in for a rude surprise lol also I’m getting real good at spotting NED outlets just as they’re about to die.

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    Cyprus’s, Greece’s, Armenia’s and Syria’s however somehow are. Fuck Erdogan.