Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a rush toward re-nuclearization after these last couple years.
What are the odds Ukraine would be invaded by Russia if they had nukes?
Would Trump be joking about making Canada a 51st state if they had nukes?
Trump and the rest of the American government is showing NATO and every other country that we’re one election away from abandoning our promises to our allies. Nobody can be trusted.
Any country would be a fool to consider giving up their nukes after seeing the shitshow.
Since this actually sounds like a good decision… Over/under on Trump promising to double the amount of nukes and turn China into a nuclear wasteland unless they do something for him, by the end of next week?
I don’t know gambling metrics and terminology, so I’ll just answer “yes.”
So what’s gonna happen when a finger on the monkey’s paw curls for this?
As much as I hate it, the doctrine of mutual destruction seems to work. The removal of it might lead to immediate hot world war
Everyone’s perspective is the same on Lemmy it seems or close and its getting old so much snide comments and negativity. We all should consider this a win regardless of how goofy any side is, its the thought that this approach is reaching the decision makers. Planting the seed.
I think this is likely one of the smartest things Trump has ever persued if it comes to fruition even partially a mere slither. The modern battlefield is fought with technology. Using drones/robots and infosec psyop and the list goes on and on.
Conventional war has more risk than worth now days leaves nothing but a pile of rocks nothing to claim but dirt.
While I don’t think anyone will give them up soon sure even bad actors will hodl old means eventually the value prop and cost to maintain will sputter out, we all should know we have been heading that direction for a very long time. Progress no matter how small is a step in the right direction.
You can trust Lemmy for serious and well informed political analysis!
But seriously though,I agree with you. Lemmy doesn’t seem to have heard of SALT treaties and act as though there is no precedence. While not perfect, it is better than nothing.
I refuse to believe trump will do anything decent like this
USA have absolutely abysmal records of upholding nuclear disarmament so IF it is even a serious proposition, the reason for it it’s the quickly incoming time when Minutemen missiles will have to be decomissioned while its replacement is so much overbudget and overtime that it seriously risk scrapping of entire project. Meaning the perspective USA will lose main part of its strategic armament is real.
Also you never, ever trust USA on any nuclear deals.
Also let’s not forget that the US is literally hiring Elon Musk to help then “win” the nuclear war, their words not mine.
How anyone can think their denuclearization proposal is in good faith is beyond me.
Denuclearization is a good thing.
Yes it’s a good thing, but the US is utterly devoid of honour and trustworthiness and there’s no chance they will actually follow through with denuclearizing their own arsenal, so this proposal is meaningless and no country should take it seriously.
True. The US is the only country that ever used them and the only country where politicians regularly threaten to use them. Somehow though they get to act as if they are the only ones that can be trusted with them.
It is nominally a good thing. In the real world, however, I’d be working as hard as possible to ensure I had a nuclear program to discourage specifically Donald, Putin, and Elon
Those three aren’t as bad as Netanyahu and he too has nuclear weapons.
I’m sure they will denuclearize in the same way North Korea did after Trump negotiated.
Why would North Korea denuclearize when the US still hasn’t?
But Trump made a deal. The best deal in the history of deals.
Did the US uphold its end of the deal?
As far as I remember, the US interpreted “their end of the deal” differently than NK did.
That’s exactly my point: Trump will “negotiate” the same way, will brag about a “deal” in the same way, and nothing will change in the same way, because both sides aren’t really interested in substantial change in the same way.
As far as I remember, the US interpreted “their end of the deal” differently than NK did.
And they will do it again. And again and again and again.
Deals with the US aren’t worth the paper they’re written on.
Deals with the US aren’t worth the paper they’re written on.
The ethnic cleansing of North America happened one treaty at a time.
https://www.history.com/news/native-american-broken-treaties
No it’s not. Maybe you haven’t heard but there is a war in Ukraine. They gave up nukes in exchange for pinky swear promises that their sovereignty would be respected.
I dont care if you think Ukraine couldn’t use them or if they would have been invaded if they didn’t agree. The Ukraine war is a giant fucking advertisement for owning nukes.
The only thing psychotic hairless apes understand is immense violence. We are not civilized. We are cavemen with atom bombs and spaceships.
Every country should own nukes. Every country without nukes doesn’t matter and is ripe for exploitation or invasion.
Every country should own nukes.
I agree with this.
Everyone who downvoted you were wrong and you were right about having nuclear weapon. The whole damn point of nuclear weapon is to raise the cost of going to war with said country so that nobody ever fucking try to go and start a war. This is single-handedly the biggest contributor to the longest period of peace in our history. We would’ve already been well in our way to WW5 or WW6 if we didn’t have nukes.
I thought Lemmy might be different, but it’s astroturfed to hell.
I thought Lemmy might be different, but it’s astroturfed to hell.
tfw you find a place that isn’t astroturfed as much and are shocked to find your totally organic opinion is devalued
Is this “period of peace” in the room with us right now?
This is single-handedly the biggest contributor to the longest period of peace in our history.
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What he actually wants is denuclearization for only China and Russia so the US can use its unchecked nuclear force to threaten the world.
Looking at these comments: so now liberals love nuclear weapons?
Americans are ruled by a politics of opposition. Anything Trump does, the opposite must be good. Anything Biden does, the opposite must be good. Nobody thinks about anything from scratch.
Not trusting Russia used to be bipartisan.
Bilateral denuclearization agreements with Russia used to be bipartisan, too.
Russia hadn’t started invading it’s neighbors to steal resources.
wat…
This isn’t something you should be proud of lol
I mean the distrust was shown again to have been true.
Not really, you people just killed and imprisoned anyone that wasn’t racist towards Russians for years until there wasn’t anyone outwardly neutral or positive towards Russia.
I was gonna make a joke about this being the thing that finally makes Democrats fight Trump… But then I saw all the pro-nuke .world comments. We’re so cooked
didn’t Trump pull out of the last denuclearization treaty?
I’ll believe it when I see it. Military spending increased in his first term and talk is cheap.
If he actually followed through on cutting the military budget by half, it’d be an incredible move and I’d start considering him the lesser evil. But it’s all for show, it’s triangulation to appeal to certain groups. End of the day, he’s a right winger and right wingers won’t cut the military.
Idiots thought can fool the other 2. 🤣
Denuclearizing worked out so well for Ukraine.
Nukes wouldn’t have saved them from being couped
Having less nukes is not the same as disarmament it’s not even comparable. They dropped two nukes and did that much destruction in Japan, 2, and those were 1940s nukes, even with this change the US would still have thousands of nukes.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-many-nuclear-weapons-exist-and-who-has-them/
the United States admits to having 5,550
Ukraine went to 0 nukes, the US has 5000+ nukes, how would that even be comparable if the US let’s say went down to 1000 nukes. That’s still 1000 nukes more than 0.
“We’re all spending a lot of money that we could be spending on other things that are actually, hopefully much more productive,” Trump said.
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Like lining the pockets of me and my owners while systematically weakening the country
That’s the sad part. They only get the first half right. 😂
