Ford’s office made the announcement Monday and said the government is also banning other American companies from provincial contracts going forward
🤭🤭🤭🤭
Finally some populism I can get behind.
Isnt a contract something that you get in trouble for ripping up and not paying? Like that’s the definition of a contract
Depends on the contract and the clauses. We dont know what it says or how its worded.
Why wasn’t that published? Seems like the most important aspect of this story
If the penalty is less than the increased tarrifs then they’re still saving money
Tarifs on what? This is about goods being purchased from a US company
The US gov’t can just punish them by tariffing them more! Problem solved! /s
I will go out buy a case of Molson Canadian or Labatt’s.
As an American I support this message.
Canada will be more efficient without the Musk.
It is interesting to see that Canadian apathy has suddenly turned into a united stand for Canada.
I heard a 10 year old kid in the store yesterday, “Dad, can I get this? I checked , it is made in Canada”
It sucks it has come to this.
Doug Ford is a douche, but he is enough of a douche to not be politically correct in terms of relations with the USA.
I wish I was Canadian
I don’t, but that’s mostly because I like having very good Internet access and I’m European.
If I was USian, I’d wish I was Canadian.
What’s your Internet? I’ll you mine if your tell me yours.
I’m gigabit both directions and I could get as high as 3. I’ve heard they are testing 5 some areas. My 1gbit is around 90 of Canadian money. It’s fibre to my apt.
Your prices and speeds are far from what I hear being typical for Canada, but I’m paying 35 euros a month for 500 mbps symmetrical. Gigabit on the website is 73 euros. But that’s because I’m in an apartment built when the local monopoly was putting in fiber. Older buildings that were retrofitted later, as well as buildings that were built later, tend to have more providers available. There’s one that gives you 1 gig for 35 euros for the first year - and I know they’ll be amenable to keeping that arrangement later because you can just threaten to switch and they’ll cave. A third is giving out gigabit at 45 Euros for indefinite periods.
Do keep in mind, Estonia is plagued by a Telia monopoly. Other EU countries tend to have cheaper prices. Romania has so much competition, gigabit up/down is like 8 euros and I don’t think they offer speeds under 300 mbps apparently.
This is not typical for Canada.
It is in cities.
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Sucks because my profession doesn’t really exist in Canada, so I can’t bring anything of value if I try to immigrate there.
That’s an interesting statement. Feel free to not answer, but I’m curious what industry you’re in.
I’m a Certified Surgical First Assistant. In Canada they use RNs. I guess I could get my RN, but I’d have to go back to school.
Edit: I worded that poorly. The role exists in Canada, but the actual profession of SFA doesn’t. I could be misinformed, but that’s what I’ve been told.
I see, that is interesting. Thanks!
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fluffer
Pretty sure they have fluffers in Canada too
How does a profession not exist in Canada? Are you a 3rd party medical markup expert?
Many of us act like Americans from 10 years ago. Be careful what you wish for.
It is interesting to see that Canadian apathy has suddenly turned into a united stand for Canada.
American (and Canadian) politicians have fucked over Canada every step of the way for a long as I can remember but it was always done with the thinnest veneer of diplomacy to cover up the absolute disregard for an entire country’s population. This is the first time that a politician has been dumb enough to fuck over not only the people of Canada but also it’s oligarchs. Canada’s ruling class has decided it’s ok to revolt against our neighbour’s bad behaviour and so it’s being spun by the news and politicians as ‘Canadian Patriotism.’
edit: I see this is a bit controversial. I’m not saying that it is bad that, right now, Canadians are unified in identifying the bad guy and saying “no, you’ve gone to far.” I’m saying that we should have been saying this for years but our politicians, the rich people who direct them and the media companies that they own, have been actively stopping us up until now.
Nope. You can’t let trump bully us into becoming part of the USA. If this is what it takes for Canada to grow balls I’m all for it.
Ban X and Meta too.
And google & microsoft. Leading the way!
Doug Ford is basically Julien getting out of jail and chasing Cyrus out of the trailer park.
And I’m all for it.
Hit them where it hurts. Their wallets!
Musk will sue them for boycotting him.
iLL sUe yOu!!1!
In Canadian court? Lmao
Like he cares about reality.
Just be precise, watch out for the ‘little guy’. It’s not sane US citizens doing this. We’re experiencing a coup over here, neighbor. And the sane ones are trying to figure out how to get back to being good neighbors, and stop the corporate coup. srsly.
I mean they voted for the cou. So yes it is Americans doing this. And I don’t care if they didn’t vote for this crowd they didn’t show up so yes they voted for this.
Trump won a majority, and the GOP won the house and senate. It’s not all US citizens, but if it’s not a majority, it’s close enough. Is it really a coup if it’s what the majority wanted?
This is hardly a new thing for the US. The world has seen the US elect Bush Jr, who alienated the world with his desire to invade Iraq. Remember Freedom Fries? At the same time that was going on, Canada, which did support the US when it invaded Afghanistan, said that Iraq was a bridge too far, and refused to participate in that. The result was the GOP drumming up anti-Canada hate, people boycotting Canadian products, etc. Then in the years since Bush, the US has elected Trump not once but twice. This is who you guys are now.
This is who you guys are now.
And have been for some time. That’s why it’s frustrating to see all the posts from people who think if Democrats would just move to the left, they’d win. I’m sorry but no. No, they wouldn’t. It’s frustrating because the right/conservative majority isn’t that large. Maaaybe if we didn’t have the electoral college, there would be some shifting to the left, but it wouldn’t be as much as the left thinks it would be. (braces for downvotes)
It’s not really so much about the party moving “left” as much as them not appealing to their base or representing their constituents’ ideals. Kamala was asked if she’d done anything differently than Biden and she said no. When most Americans are facing economic uncertainty, that’s about the worst thing you can possibly say. People vote for change and they weren’t willing to sell that. They too went on TV and said the economy is great because of the stock market.
The party has no teeth, they’re not willing to talk about major issues like economic inequality because they too have to bend the knee to the oligarchs. Bernie had the right idea by fundraising on grassroots but the party seems to think they can keep toeing the middle and appeal to the “moderate Democrat” which simply doesn’t exist.
Tru.p won a majority of who showed up.
More effort on the political right was spent on making voting more difficult and driving voter apathy (“Genocide Joe”) than on getting people to vote for Trump, because Trump.would never win if everyone showed up.
He’s the only President to never reach 50% approval ratings. He’s objectively the least-popular President in US History. The only way to get him back into office was to reduce voter turnout.
Read this
If you didn’t show up you supported the winner. End of story, show up or get lumped in with the winner.
Whatever makes you feel better.
This is far far worse than Junior or Trump’s first term. Elon Musk has taken control of three important government agencies including the Treasury. People gotta wake up, it’s really bad and we’re two weeks in.
It’s a catastrophe.
Yep!
Nope, respectfully I disagree. It isn’t who I am, and it isn’t who anyone I associate with is. Have you ever considered that First Past The Post voting is incredibly problematic?
Yeah, FPTP sucks, but pretending “this isn’t who we are” is just sticking your head in the sand. If it isn’t who you are, you should probably move to a country that better reflects your values.
This is right wing rhetoric.
‘If you don’t like it, then leave’ is a nationalistic approach that is unhealthy for a country and it’s people. It’s also inherently ableist as it assumes that anyone who doesn’t want to be somewhere has the means to be able to leave easily.
Pretending an entire nation of people support the presiding leader is also pretty naive and would likely get you flamed if you said it about other hot button countries such as Russia, China, Palestine, Israel, Iran, or any of the multitudes of countries that have problematic leadership.
I notice that people don’t blame the citizens of most countries with despotic leaders for their government’s bad behavior, but they do blame Americans, assuming that the US is a true democracy. It isn’t and never has been. Yet we do have a bit more control than many of those other countries, but it takes massive action by a large majority over a long time, to change anything.
You might be right. Where do you suggest?
Depends on the languages you speak, what you do for work, whether you’re moving alone or with family, how much of a culture shock you could take, etc.
Yes, it does. I think I’ll stay where I am, thanks. There’s plenty of sand for me to stick my head in. Have a great day.
With all due respect, and I’m sorry to those who voted Kamala, this is our only option.
The only way Canada succeeds is when the American people are hurting enough that they push for change from the inside.
I’m very sorry to small honest US companies, but we don’t have the luxury of choice or leniency on this matter anymore.
Also this is the second time Trump has been elected. Whatever excuses people have, I can’t look at this as a one off or crazy event. I have to see this as the future of American diplomacy and how we can expect to be treated.
As an American, I hope you all please keep doing what you’re doing. Most U.S. citizens may be too chicken shit to say or do anything (yet), but witnessing solidarity among Canadians who refuse to stand down gives me hope.
As soon as the election was called, I knew my life would be fucked. The U.S. oligarchs think they’re beyond reproach because spineless U.S. citizens aren’t doing anything besides lick boot. The rest of us, feeling trapped and powerless, feel supported by this type of news. Do what you must.
Also this is the second time Trump has been elected. Whatever excuses people have, I can’t look at this as a one off or crazy event. I have to see this as the future of American diplomacy and how we can expect to be treated.
tRump is not an aberration, the world is now seeing the USA with the mask dropped. Oligarchy is baked into the U.S. constitution, rich white males have ALWAYS held the power there, despite all the window dressing and PR campaigns. The county was founded on genocide, built on slavery and imperialism, they burned women at the stake for fuck’s sake. The slogan “Kill a Commie for Christ” is not just a bumper sticker for half of them, but a bucket list item.
Who would have thought you where founded by rich white men who didn’t want to pay taxes and your still ruled by them. I know you have fairy tales to tell you otherwise but…
Let’s not get too high-and-mighty though.
For just one example, the reason BC’s old growth forests are something like 98% gone today is because a bunch of rich old white men sold off most of the forest-bearing land to… themselves and their friends. Canada had (and has) its own oligarch infestation.
I have to see this as the future of American diplomacy and how we can expect to be treated.
American exceptionalism and manifest destiny never went away.
They have been part of the American psyche for generations.
I understand. And of course my concerns are mostly aimed towards those, regardless of nationality who are less well off than myself. When I suggest one support local and small, I know that lessens both of our larger groupings (nations, corporations), at the same time it strengthens our smaller groupings (communities, neighborhoods, families). If you wish, you could buy bicycle parts from these small companies, regardless of location, for instance I just heard of a bike frame builder, Mone’ (http://www.monebikes.com/) in Silver City, NM who runs his operation out of a van. If you look, you can find similar in your area. Together, supporting the small circles, we’ll move forward humanely. I feel your respect. And, hey, look at us, doing international relations, on a non-corporate federated social media. Nothing to feel sorry about in that. Peace.
Nothing against the guy making bikes in his van, but if anyone is looking for a good made in canada bike frame, moose bicycle is awesome and very reasonably priced.
That’s exactly what I’m talkin’ about! Now I want a Moose Bike! https://moosebicycle.com/
It’s not sane US citizens doing this
At some point we need to hit their pocket too.
33% of American didn’t even bother to show up and vote. They’re complicit in this, and they deserve the pinch to wake the fuck up as to what their country is doing.
And if that’s not enough, well… the sane ones might need to get off their ass and start doing something about the rampant assholes running around shitting on everyone.
Speaking of turnout, Ontario has an election coming up. Last time, Doug Ford (Conservative) was voted back in with a turnout of 43%. So about 57% of Ontarians didn’t bother to take a few minutes to vote. And now our healthcare and education systems are being dismantled for the sake of profit. Maybe on February 27th we can get a slightly less shameful turnout and vote for someone who will actually stand up for Ontario’s public services and stand up against the USA’s bullying and threats?
The biggest problem is the “wake-up” isn’t going to be in favor of reality. All blame is going to fall on the people working hardest to actually make effective change. There is far too much propaganda and yellow journalism in the US for that hurt to be directed in the right way.
It’s much easier to direct an angry mob with simple lies than complex truth.
You hit the nail right on the head.
As a person who lives in the U.S., the corporate ownership of the media is a huge problem. Pair that with the larger social media companies all censoring content now, and there’s no sense of ‘reality’ here anymore.
There are protests happening in major American cities, and they are only being covered by the local media of those cities, and their reach stymied online. It’s clear to me that the media is intentionally downplaying anti-Trump sentiment.
The same thing happened with the Iraq war protests both before and after Bush invaded. Massive protests in all the big cities and smaller ones in the small cities, all but ignored by the media. They only mentioned in passing that there even were protests–no footage, no live reports, just crickets. This has been going on with the media for well over 25 years. It all started going to hell after Reagan revoked the Fairness Doctrine. You can trace pretty much everything that’s led to the downfall of this country back to Reagan.
Got any stories about that? I mean local edia still has websites.
Why don’t we bring our skills together in a massive co-op that pays us fairly, that starts to compete with these mega corporations
There is evidence that voter suppression + not counting/disqualifying forced provisional votes created Trump victory.
Great, sure, and I’m in the 33% that said, and is saying “hell to the power of fuck NO”.
Edit: By which I mean I voted against the current shitshow. Sometimes my engrish is unclear. ;-)
why didn’t you vote?
Ah, you misunderstand. Allow me to be explicit: I did vote against this shit show. Donvict47 won by 1.5%, and 19 million fewer voters in that election. It was voter suppression that won that election.
People not caring enough to vote isn’t “voter suppression”.
And how do you feel about propaganda that encourages people to not vote? If the propaganda effectively stops people from voting, e.g. bomb scares at polling places, or you’re not in a swing state so your vote doesn’t matter, would you call that suppression? Just asking.
You’re comfused. 33% of Americans did not vote. To say you’re part of that 33% means you didn’t vote.
They didn’t say they were part of that 33%, they said they were “part of the 33% that said…” Which is a different third of the population
33% of American didn’t even bother to show up and vote. They’re complicit in this
Millions in CA, whose votes went to the Dems. So tired of people pretending they can just lump all non voters together when they can’t
If you’re not against fascists you’re with them. There’s no middle ground
But the democrats didn’t offer me a pony, so not voting was noble and just!
You can lump most of them together (I’d make exceptions for those with a genuine reason they couldn’t, a medical issue or absolute lack of transport options for example). even if your state is, and was, solid blue, enough showing support to the Democrat candidate would have meant that Trump couldn’t claim a mandate as the popular vote would have gone the other way. Sure, it wouldn’t change the outcome itself, but would have given some comfort to those suffering that the majority of voters didn’t want this. As it is, he scraped the popular vote, and the record shows that, in fact, the majority of those who could be bothered to vote actually deliberately voted for this.
People who didn’t vote had their votes go to the Dems? What?
They’re talking about the ridiculous electoral college which should be abolished. But voting is still important. I am in one of the reddest states and I still voted. There were important ballot measures and it’s important to still vote even when you know it won’t count. Now the dipshit gets to claim a mandate because he won popular vote. And of course with his lying he’s calling it a landslide.
Not American but Canadian and live in Alberta. I get off my ass every election and vote even though I know there is not a snowballs chance in hell anything but the cons are getting in power. They have been in power my whole life and longer except for one blip. Hoping for another longer one.
As a fellow American, I hate to say it, but them’s the breaks. Plenty of Russians suffer under sanctions for a war they had nothing to do with. Even though it’s not our fault as we weren’t Trump supporters, we’re in his stupid boat and will pay the price. It sucks.
I’m one of the sane Americans and honestly screw this whole, “think of the children” crap. America as a whole voted for Idiocracy by voting in not just Trump but all of these damn moron, spineless Republicans and yeah Americans, all of us, deserve all of this. That’s how democracy works unfortunately.
Honestly, unless you’re out there protesting like it’s Ferguson every day, you’re not doing anything to actively to push back on the insanity so yeah, you deserve it too, just like I do with just working to keep surviving this blossoming dictatorship.
Yes. But American citizens need to be the ones to stop the Nazi musk/trump regime. March and strike by the millions. Oust them.
Something something second ammendment.
We have all let this happen in one way or another, via complacency, but y’all benefit from being a fascist state and informal empire together. Y’all can suffer the costs of it together, too.
Could you explain what you mean by watch out for the little guy?
Yes, of course. My neighbors, friends, and family working 2-3 jobs just to pay rent, and stay fed. If the little guy were a business owner, it’s them and a partner and maybe a handful of employees, NOT them and 500+ employees. The VAST majority of business in the US is or at least was businesses with less than 500 employees, a.k.a. the definition of small business. Which even seems big to me. My office is me and my life partner, for example. Does that answer your question? :-)
You mean these small business owners?
Sure seems like they deserve everything they’re going to get. FOFA small business owners.
Hmm, interesting point. And by way of clarification, I try to promote the vast majority of businesses with less, usually far less than 100 employees. That 500 thing is from some “business association” or Chamber of Commerce definition. How to differentiate the portion of small business owners, e.g. they guy who sells crafts on etsy, that did vote for Kamala Harris? And really stick it to the citizens (business owners or not) that either abstained, or did vote for this stupid shit show. I’m not a policy guy, and I wish I knew. I’m not sure how we get thru this crap-a-palooza in a sound state of mind and whole of body. But hey, let’s at least try.
From your article: “Small-business owners are a major force behind the U.S. swing vote. Nearly a quarter are registered Democrats and 38% are Republicans, according to the National Small Business Association’s 2024 Politics of Small Business Survey, leaving the rest up for grabs. These business people, like other voters, also change party affiliation, with nearly a quarter switching at least once in the past decade. Ninety percent say they don’t vote for a straight party ticket.” They never surveyed me. So I’m the littlest of little guys. I’m registered and voted Dem. Not because I love the Dem party, but because the other party seem ludicris, insane. And because voting 3rd party, or dagnabit not voting at all are both not viable solutions. So I’m the littlest of the little guys, politically.
Alot of what I’m saying is basically do what one can to support your food coop, your local bike shop, your car mechanic that his his own shop, your friend who makes soap and sells it on Etsy, and so forth. And grow more than you need in your garden, giving it away to your family, friends, others in need.
I’m sure Trump will do that. That’s why he was elected right?
Let’s see if one of greatest American businessmen of all time (/s) can protect his citizens from the trade war he started.
It’s a start, but will he even feel a $100 million loss?
He might not. Maybe Starlink will.
It’s not money. It’s power.
I know Ford makes bad decisions, but I am all for this decision. Punched right at the core of the problem.
It’s nice in theory, but if there’s already a contract, who much is it going to cost to get out of it? You can’t just “rip it up” and then act like it never existed.
Also, Ford has already backtracked on this with the 30 day extension on the tariffs.
I just love the 100% tariff on teslers, too. Tho that’s nor ford’s idea.
Have officials pushed for that yet? That would be perfect. It’s an action that shows the whole world (or Canada in this case) understands the situation very clearly.
Freeland has talked about it.
I saw an article yesterday, maybe Freeland is her name. Recently of the gov’t, and running for office, I think. Ah, here 'tis…
" Canadian MP Chrystia Freeland: “If Donald Trump slaps 25% tariffs on Canadian goods, we must hit back—dollar for dollar—starting with 100% tariffs on all Tesla vehicles and U.S. wine, beer, and spirits. We must protect Canadian workers and businesses.” "
He’s doing this to save himself. Ontarians need to get this mobster out. VOTE
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The starlink decision itself was sketchy
I peeked into conservative subs, and people are cheering “owning” Canada for not treating us fairly.
…WTF? Has this been going on for a while?
Other than family with some Canadian ties, the only real sentiment I’ve heard before the inauguration was is that Canadians are overly polite, even among conservative family. The fentanyl thing seems… what?
https://www.axios.com/2025/02/03/canada-respond-trump-tariff-trade-war
Any conservative forum is an enforced circlejerk.
Has been for a decade.
The fentanyl thing seems… what?
Like a blatant fucking lie?
This whole bullshit trade war is based on Trump lying. About everything.
Keep in mind that a lot of “conservative” opinions are bought and paid for… They literally hire people to spread propaganda and stir shit up, around the world. For example, https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-ballingall-conservative-leadership-canada-proud-1.6433088
Some conservative sub’s are being heavily moderated and comments are mass deleted. Some I notice the top comments gave very few upvotes and only two standing comments that agree
I’ve only seen this recently myself, when the orange shit stain started mentioning trade deficits… but they seem to grasp that concept about as well as they do tariffs.
This is part of how we know it’s a cult they’ve formed. Probably for many on both a personal and a societal level, they’re getting isolated from friends and family who warn them, and will believe whatever lies they’re told by the cult leader scamming them. It will probably take some hard economic realities in their day-to-day lives for the ones who are capable to break out of the spell they’re under. And even then, there will likely be a cluster who double down repeatedly in the belief their “win” is just over the horizon, like the tragic BBBY investor cult.
I’d like to see how many American guns are used in Canadian crimes.
Most of them.
“When handguns involved in crimes were traced in 2021, they were overwhelmingly - 85% of the time - found to have come from the United States.” There were 8,047 victims of violent crime where a firearm was present in 2021 alone.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/fighting-gun-crime-canada-has-an-american-problem-2022-07-27/
An argument I’ve seen is that the Canadian druglords are just that much better at getting drugs through the porous Canadian border without getting caught. Yeah I know it’s ridiculous but it’s so hard to fight this antilogic particularly with government data disappearing as we speak…
When entering the US, it’s the US border guards who are doing the checks. Perhaps they should improve their own border security.
That doesn’t make sense and isn’t even how borders work. Most countries are not concerned with what leaves but what comes in, because their laws stop at the border. The states certainly doesn’t care about all the guns leaving their country for Canada and Mexico.
As much as I dislike Ford, I’m happy to see him doing his job properly for a change.
(Vote Green.)
This, in no way, makes up for Bill 212. But I’m glad to see that he’s at least united with the rest of the country on one goddamn thing.
Alright, next let’s do American streaming services.
I only had disney+, prime, and netflix. Last week I was down to netflix. Considering doing that this week as well.
Obligatory https://madeinca.ca/ shout out.
Pirate it all, it’s American content for the most part
Go further. Sail the seas.
I never stopped, probably been doing this for about 30 years…
Musk files lawsuit in…
I hope he does. We handle lawsuits differently in Canada and he doesn’t own our judges or supreme court. I look forward to reading the judges decision lambasting him and his lawyers.
What’s your laws say about contracts? Surely if they had a contract, they’d need to pay until the end of the contract, no?
What happens if I dont pay my rent in Canada?
Canada should make its own version of Netflix, Amazon and Uber and watch American companies cry while they try to sue in Canadian courts and flounder.
Every country should do this. There’s no reason for a cut to go to Silicon Valley when you buy Canadian food from a Canadian restaurant delivered by a Canadian driver. Fuck em.
Netflix should not be making ad revenue when people around the world binge watch Kim’s Convenience (a Canadian production).
It’s about time we cut the US media mafia out. They need to see that the walled garden they’ve created around their profits is not impenetrable.
We have Crave owned by Bell Media, of course we don’t really care for our telecom companies either but least I think it’s a Canadian company.
CBC Gem is genuinely one of the best streaming services out there. And it’s free.
May I introduce you to torrents and Plex?
The post I was responding too was about steaming services, so I responded in-kind. Torrents have obviously always been an option, even in the heyday of streaming.
Netflix shouldn’t be getting revenue when you watch American-made shows either. Canada’s respect for US Copyright law was part of a trade agreement, which the US has violated
Files a lawsuit based on what? The only thing he could possibly sue for would be if Ontario doesn’t pay whatever penalty clauses are in that contract.
The guy sued companies because they didn’t advertise on his website. I wouldn’t put trying to sue because of this past him.
You can always sue, but in most normal countries it just gets tossed out.
Haven’t been following the news much, have you?
Canada isn’t the US. If Musk wants to sue Ontario, he has to do so in Ontario courts, which are obviosly not stocked with Trump supporters. Unless Ontario specifically breaks the terms of the contract, any case gets tossed.
America is the most pro litigation country in the world. This won’t fly anywhere else.
I see the pettiness of SLAPP, and I raise you the ultimate pettiness of Notwithstanding
SLAPP lawsuits aren’t particularly effective against governments. There’s nothing much to fear when you can just change the laws if things don’t go your way. And even Musk isn’t going to out spend the province of Ontario.
Of course, but that doesn’t stop Musk from trying to use his typical sabre rattling methods.
Ford is turning into a Canadian conservative which is great to see.
Too bad the Federal leadership is Pierre Pouilivre who is trying his best to imitate Trump and US style politics, a culture war to divide us NOT conservative policies and helping people…
Maybe this will wake up Canadian Conservatives to how toxic their party has become…
Ford is still an idiot he’s just a Canadian idiot first.
It’s just for election season
He called one so suddenly so he can be like this for as little as possible
There’s a reason PP is being so quiet
And because the world doesn’t make sense, TSLA stocks are up while the rest goes in the red.
That makes perfect sense. Musk’s companies are going to be swimming in free money, with lucrative US Federal government contracts
¿Porque no los dos?
They will come down with a crash, I just know it. Just give it time…
On my watchlist, Tesla has the 3rd largest daily % drop right now.
