cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24992262
A positive score comment chastising an evil dictatorship for supporting a fascist gets removed.
Troll.
YDI. That statement is overbroad, and the mods were right to hand out a ban for baiting people into an argument, especially since Tankies ≠ Anarchists in the first place.
Also, your conclusion is a non sequitur.
Nobody argued with me, my comment was +12 -4 with no replies.
And the community wouldnt remove a comment insulting Tankies unless the community was Tankies. Read their sidebar, it’s an “anticapitalist” community.
Ratio is meaningless. Communities are not democracies, and mods have every right to ensure people don’t get into bad-faith arguments. Additionally, some instances have downvotes turned off and some users don’t bother with them even if they’re on. Votes are necessarily a biased sample, so pointing to your ratio is about as useful as saying, “But look how many chocolate coins I got!”
Anyway, removing a comment about Tankies doesn’t mean you support Tankies, especially when it’s obvious ragebait. “You don’t agree with me, therefore you’re against me” is irrational.
Also, anticapitalist ≠ Tankie, just as being a communist or socialist or anarchist isn’t equivalent. It just means you don’t like capitalism. How that perspective is expressed in each community will vary, and just because Tankies don’t like capitalists doesn’t mean that it follows that everyone who doesn’t like capitalists is also a Tankie.
There was no argument as you implied, I just made a comment which was perfectly aligned with the community and post it was made on but perfectly disaligned with the Tankie mods.
Right. There was no argument, because the mods prevented one.
If you feel their actions were unjust, bring it up with the mods. Make your case, and appeal their decision. Based on your other comments, however, it just seems like you’re looking for sympathy.
It got seen by over a dozen people with no problem and wasn’t even questioned by four people with a problem, but more importantly it was topical and only insulted people who wish us harm so whether it would have created a discussion or not should be fine unless the mods were Tankies.
I will not lower myself to beg Tankies to be on their Tankie Community, thats beyond stupid.
Or they don’t want to deal with obvious trolls in their community?
See it being removed for flamebait
It insults Tankies, that’s not trolling that’s rationality at its finest, and should be a core pillar of any true anarchy.
What’s a tankie?
People who promote authoritarian regimes such as Joseph Stalin’s USSR and Mao Zedong’s CCP.
It comes from describing people who sided with the Tanks in 1989 Tiananmen Square Massacre where a reporter recorded a video of a tank flattening a protester who stood in their way, during nationwide unrest across China which resulted in millions of deaths as the CCP used military directly on its own citizens. It was recorded by journalists from all over the world and led to global sanctions against China from many many nations. It also coincided with roughly the fall of the USSR.
They’re a huge problem here on Lemmy because there are state funded campaigns with troll farms and bots actively promote chaos and destruction in nations that oppose modern day Russia, North Korea, Iran, and China. Their main choice of weapon is pretending to be promoters of communism, anarchism, and liberation of minorities standing against the evil corruption of capitalism, when in practice they don’t support communism or oppose capitalism by definition and those words just mean “their homeland” and “western government” respectively. They call NATO, the worlds largest defence pact and main deterrent from Chinese and Russian expansion, a form of “US Imperialism that oppresses others.”
Tankies want war. They don’t care about minorities or civil rights. They want us to harm ourselves and our nations so that their nation can become stronger.
So by definition not nazis.
Something something horse shoe
A Tankie is not a nazi, I never said they were, I said Tankies actively support Nazis, which is true.
Tankie comes from the USSR rolling tanks into Hungary during the uprising of ‘56.
Tiananmen Square Massacre where a reporter recorded a video of a tank flattening a protester who stood in their way
Never seen that. Only that protester made tank stop instead of flattening him. USA would have definitely showed me pancake tank man if there was one.
I don’t know. I don’t want to play apologetics for the tankies, but showing up in a tankie community and telling them that they’re supporting fascism just sounds like trolling to me. You know what you’re doing, and them taking the bait isn’t power tripping.
That post hasnt been removed yet. If you look at the image you see a comment has been removed on the modlog.
The comment says that the CCP supports Nazis which is true, and that Tankies are all Nazi Supporters. It had a +12 -4 ratio.
What is the original post?
Since I’m not an asshole, here it is: https://lemmy.world/comment/14811579
Not sure why OP is being dismissive to you, since they posted a picture, not an actual link to the modlog.
I think its important for everyone to take a moment to learn how to use the Mod Log.
Yes and you could have thrown the commenter a bone… That’s what being part of a community is abiut. Move the discussion forward
Excuse his smartass reply please. Post: https://lemmy.world/comment/14811579
You are required to understand how to use the modlog to participate in this post, sorry.
CCP supports Nazis which is true
Citations needed.
TikTok, Xi Jinping, and all other online Tankie communities STRONGLY preferred and supported Trump during the US election.
Trump ended DEI, nominated genocide promoter Hegseth, and created a position for known Nazi Elon Musk.
CCP supports Nazism, Tankies love Nazis.
That doesn’t track anyway, the china helping trump get elected part.
If china wanted trump then they are fucking stupid from their own standpoint. Orange man hates them and is slapping them with tariffs, and china’s biggest trade partner is us.
Unless there’s some 5d chess explantation, I’m going with that doesn’t pass the sniff test.
But there’s another prominent evil dictator who trump is besties with who absolutely does interfere in our elections that might deserve the accusation
Trump destroying America and it alienating itself from its global allies and pushing its trade partners away with punitive tariffs will only drive them towards China.
China wanted Trump because he is a destructive force and will only hurt America, they and everyone else in the world can weather the tariffs for a few years.
Could be true, but me wanting a sports team to win, doesn’t make me responsible for them winning. Trump had plenty of direct support, and none of it was CCP.
China strategy meme: Do nothing. win.
TikTok was a state run operation with pretty direct promotion of Donald Trump and the GOP, and Tankies operating for the CCP’s benefit have been all over social media these days. That’s direct support. That’s a huge factor in their victory.
TikTok, Xi Jinping, and online Tankie communities actively promoted Donald Trump. Trump weakening the USA and most importantly NATO is exactly what China desires, and Tariffs are paid for by US Citizens: not China. There was talk of Xi Jinping going to Trump’s Inauguration until the outdoor event was cancelled.
It’s not 5D chess it’s fucking Checkers, mate.
Just because tariffs are payed by the people of the importing country doesn’t mean they are not harmful to the exporter as well. I mean what do you think the natural consequence of tariffs are? As price goes up for the consumer they are going to reduce their buying of the product to the minimum amount they can get by with, which means less imports into the country imposing tariffs, which means less exports from the country who had tariffs imposed upon them. You forget that tariffs are bad for everyone involved. So no, it is not logical for China to back the Cheeto.
Tariffs will eat at corporate profit first tho 🐸
Textbook example of flamebait and disinfo leads to textbook example of YDI
I’m not american nor do i keep tabs much. How did the CCP help trump get the presidency?
TikTok (the biggest one on this list)
Actual endorsement from the actual mouth of Xi Jinping
Every online Tankie community like Hexbear and Lemmygrad actively promoted him
How dare you, sir/madam/person. They didn’t promote him, they just insisted Biden was worse than he was. That’s obviously very different, and not at all a MAGA thing to say.
YDI
While all Nazis may be fascists, not all fascists are Nazis specifically. So it’s incorrect use of language, i.e. at least misinfo if not delivered with intent to mislead that would be disinfo.
While there is a great deal of similarity between the Alt-Left tankies and the Alt-Right MAGATs, that doesn’t mean that tankies are actual Nazis, just that they support them with such misleading rhetoric as BoTh SiDeS sAmE.
So this is definitely flamebait. You weren’t trying to convince anyone of anything, just venting your frustrations at the world. People will be more receptive if you consider that their consent to receive messages should matter as well.
A better term is “Red Fascist”. They’re not fascists by definition, but supporting totalitarianism and state capitalism (which isn’t even that left lol) and supporting genocide, and purges of people who follow different ideologies than them such as anarchists sounds pretty familiar…
Can’t forget the cult of personality.
But aren’t our particular brand of them here on Lemmy straight-up “tankies” as well? As in they literally, not even merely figuratively, deny that anyone died in the Tiananmen Square massacre?
Or rather than say that tankie is not accurate, do you mean that it is more inclusive?
I meant both, they’re tankies and red fascists. Not all leftism is of course but there’s something deeply ironic supporting a violent and authoritarian ideology while claiming to care about the workers.
I find this quite interesting.
Are all tankies red fascists? If so, then isn’t it implied just by saying that? Or perhaps not bc maybe not everyone knows the former term while the latter spells it out explicitly…
I have taken to calling them Alt-Left, bc of how they spew disinfo & misinfo and use identical argumentative forms as the Alt-Right - wanting to “win” at any cost, ignoring facts and logic and such in their pursuit of that goal.
At a very naive guess, the word “fascism” may have a greater emotional impact upon Europeans, while Alt-Right might affect Americans more?
Are all tankies red fascists? If so, then isn’t it implied just by saying that? Or perhaps not bc maybe not everyone knows the former term while the latter spells it out explicitly…
I’d say the term tankie is practically synonymous with red fascist. It’s easy for people to understand.
I have taken to calling them Alt-Left, bc of how they spew disinfo & misinfo and use identical argumentative forms as the Alt-Right - wanting to “win” at any cost, ignoring facts and logic and such in their pursuit of that goal.
The terms red fascist and tankie are actually real terms, the former first appearing in 1922 and the latter 1956. Fun fact: all those terms were coined by socialists, that were anti stalinist.
At a very naive guess, the word “fascism” may have a greater emotional impact upon Europeans, while Alt-Right might affect Americans more?
I wouldn’t know, i’m not either :)
But a depressing fact of life is that while your regions are close to fascism now, many of us in the developing world already are living in fascism. I had the misfortune of being born in an absolute monarchy that still has slavery (hint: it’s in the arabian peninsula lol) i’d say it’s 100% fascism. Yes, technically it’s not since fascism is a dictatorship, not a monarchy. Fascism is totalitarianism, not autocracy. Fascism is anti-religion, not islamic. But…
… I’d argue that makes things worse. I’d rather live under a totalitarian dictatorship than an autocratic monarchy. And at least under italian fascism you can’t be executed for apostasy, adultery or be crucified (yes, this is real) for crimes.
I’d say this gives me a much more emotional reaction to people thinking authoritarianism is a good idea. I guarantee you every single idiot saying that is living under a democracy, never having experienced what authoritarianism really is.
They will be shocked when they find out that the leopards want to eat their faces off as well.
True. Only a moron would wish for their own oppression 🙄 If they think authoritarianism’s so great then i’ll be glad to switch lives with them lol.
I think that they only think that it’s good because they imagine themselves as the high ranking official, and not as the peasant breaking their backs to feed their slavers.
I like these quotes from john steinbeck, i feel that it describes them a lot:
Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
"Except for the field organizers of strikes, who were pretty tough monkeys and devoted, most of the so-called Communists I met were middle-class, middle-aged people playing a game of dreams. I remember a woman in easy circumstances saying to another even more affluent: ‘After the revolution even we will have more, won’t we, dear?’ Then there was another lover of proletarians who used to raise hell with Sunday picknickers on her property
“I guess the trouble was that we didn’t have any self-admitted proletarians. Everyone was a temporarily embarrassed capitalist. Maybe the Communists so closely questioned by the investigation committees were a danger to America, but the ones I knew — at least they claimed to be Communists — couldn’t have disrupted a Sunday-school picnic. Besides they were too busy fighting among themselves.”
TikTok, Xi Jinping, and all Online Tankie communities heavily favored Trump in the USA Election.
The CCP and Tankies support Nazis.
Yes, or more to the point they express favor towards anything that would lead to violent upheaval of the entire Western civilization. Such as beheading landlords, which includes anyone who merely has a bank account that earns interest i.e. old people’s retirement.
Isn’t this still flamebait though?
If I were on [email protected] insulting tankies or some other nonsense that would make sense.
But I insulted Tankies on Flippanarchy. Anarchy and Tankie by definitions are opposing ideologies.
That would have actually been a good point to have made in the OP 8 hours ago.
I’m starting to think literally nobody understands how the mod log works except for me and most of the people who are mods.
Tbf it’s somewhat difficult. For me on PieFed I don’t think I can even access it at all, while for others who use a variety of apps they may not be familiar with the process inside that app (e.g. I tried Voyager, but I have zero idea to find the modlog in it). Then for the 1/3rd of people on Lemmy World you are running on software that makes people go into the main modlog and initiate a search using features such as a username, plus having to make assumptions that “3 hours ago” started from… well it obviously wasn’t from NOW, and while it is likely from 10 hours ago, that only further pushes back the assumption that you did not edit the post in the meantime (unless like PieFed it shows both the creation as well as the last edit times, and from there you can add the 3 hours to the creation time to get the likely time of its removal). And all of this ignores whether the screenshot that you offered was taken IMMEDIATELY prior to this post, or if there was some huge delay - I’ve seen posts in this very community where the poster mentions that literally several months have gone by between the removal and the post.
Also the post that you linked is now gone, spitting back the generic error message “Error! There was an error on the server. Try refreshing your browser. If that doesn’t work, come back at a later time. If the problem persists, you can seek…” - which we all know to be a lie, bc refreshing will do nothing, nor will returning after any length of time.
However, while all of the above are complicating factors, the fact remains that whatever you are trying to convey is upon you. Neither the screenshot nor the modlog, and now no longer the post as well, say what community name was involved? But if you felt like that fact was relevant, then why not have offered it immediately to people rather than expect them to do all the work to retrieve it? Well, it’s a thought to consider at any rate, to get better traction in the future:-).
I just use Lemmy on web and it’s always a button at the bottom of every page where you can type in a username or community and even if its on a different instance you see all the relevant actions taken since the beginning of time.
The nazis in the white house = Trump? CCP did not elect him.
CCP isn’t tankie. They don’t celebrate what happened 35 years ago, much less had a need to do the same recently.
Attacking tankies in an anarchist (anti-tankie) sub with a wacky (racist) conspiracy about (not anarchist) china supporting nazis?
Worth banning.
(racist)
Tbf, they said “CCP”, not “Chinese”
Is the racism in the room with us right now, dear?
They/OP won’t stop replying to people pointing out they are the asshole. So yes it is sadly
how is being an “asshole” is racist?
that accusation gets thrown around way to lightly
I’m saying the racist is the op who is also an asshole.
Go though their history and it’s pretty clear they are one
How is that racist?
Communist party and nazi party are not races lol
I think you missed the context where they said that the “racist” aspect was based on OP’s overall comment history, not this post or comments within in particular.
Yes, those comments. We all know the ones. The comments that totally exist. Source? Trust me bro. /s
I reviewed the OP comment history. Seems like just a person expressing his opinions.
Mate they think everyone is out it get the usa simply because they aren’t American.
Do you have something specific that can support the racist thesis?
I checked the comments, seems like another shit poster expressing his opinions.
Equating the CCP with Chinese is the same thing Zionists do to call people antisemitic by equating the Israeli government with Jews.
Also the same thing Israel and Fox News do to conflate Palestine with Hamas.
Lmao why would they delete a comment specifically insulting Tankies, then? Those are Tankies bro, read their sidebar.
