• Warl0k3@lemmy.world
    1466·
    2 days ago

    wut? Biden just gave a speech full of warnings. I get it’s not blocking trump from the presidency, but do we really need to make new shit up to blame them for? Don’t we have more than enough real things already?

      • Katana314@lemmy.worldEnglish
        71·
        2 days ago

        Correction: People bend over backwards to move blame away from themselves. Anyone in power is just an easy target. It’s why democratic presidents are blamed during times of progress because there’s not enough progress.

      • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
        74·
        2 days ago

        Biden absolutely deserves a mountain of blame. Money got him elected over Bernie in the primary, and it’s been awful ever since.

    • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1928·
      2 days ago

      They just want to blame mainstream Democrats so that the far left gains power. Even if it makes for shittier short and long term politics.

      Building a greater coalition is basically the only path forward in these times.

        • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1722·
          2 days ago

          And the progressives lost to the Democrats in purely leftist contests in 2022, 2018 and other elections.

          Switching over to a group who can’t even consistently win a Senator or House seat is the wrong move.

          Until you show some political muscle, I don’t trust you either with defeating Trump or other groups. Prove yourselves in 2026 if you want me to take you seriously by 2028.

          The only lesson I learned is that the far left are backstabbers who will chant Free Palestine and fuck up their own party, rather than come together to fight Trump.

            • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
              15·
              2 days ago

              I’m Republican. The country has moved so far right that I’m basically joining the Democrats now.

              But ignore that at your own peril. Pretend that you can just convince people on internet platforms that no one is using. Meanwhile Zuckerberg is using AI bots to hypnotize the masses while Elon Musk replicates the door-knocking campaign with $300,000,000+ in SuperPAC money.

              The obvious play is to bow my head towards Zuckerberg (and similar Billionaires) to support the Democrats instead actually. That’s the political reality of the current circumstances.

          • lennybird@lemmy.worldEnglish
            31·
            2 days ago

            But golly it sure seems like going Right worked well for Republicans!

            Funny how I heard the same concerns about Trump lol.

            Nothing like a Third Way enlightened centrist who thinks we should water down factual policy to cater with ignorance on the right. It’s worked so well! Back to Hillary, amirite?

            In fact let’s just run it back with a Hillary / Harris ticket, only this time we go to the right of Republicans!

            I’m a former rural Republican by the way.

            • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              2 days ago

              Your concerns don’t matter vs the media machine that is Facebook, WashPo, LA Times, TikTok, Twitter and more.

              The simple fact is that the Left has lost every single media. Literally all of them.

              • lennybird@lemmy.worldEnglish
                31·
                2 days ago

                I completely agree, but I don’t believe these points are mutually exclusive.

                We lost them partly (but not exclusively) because we never stood by what we believed in. We just looked like Republican-lite; a spineless version of Republicans.

                • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  22·
                  2 days ago

                  You lost them because Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post.

                  Or what? You think Washington Post’s opinion changed from left-leaning to right-leaning because of Gaza or some shit?

          • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod@lemmy.worldEnglish
            58·
            2 days ago

            Until you show some political muscle,

            For anyone reading this, this means we don’t donate enough money. That’s the only “political muscle” liberals care about, even if they just flush those dollars down the toilet.

            If you’re the fucking adults, then you should be able to beat someone like Trump, right? A billion fucking dollars you wasted to fucking lose.

            Don’t lecture me on “political muscle” when liberals can’t even beat Trump

            • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
              6·
              2 days ago

              If you’re the fucking adults, then you should be able to beat someone like Trump, right?

              Uh, no. This fucking stupid idea that you can pretend that Trump or what he represents is “easy” to defeat is the most bullshit I’ve ever seen. Keep living in a fucking delusion where its “easy” to win vs the far right movement.

      • workerONE@lemmy.world
        3·
        2 days ago

        Nobody is trying to put the far left in power. The left is a threat to capitalism and cheap labor.

          • workerONE@lemmy.world
            1·
            2 days ago

            Since I was replying to a comment I’d like to point out that the American Democratic party is a centrist party or even right of center. It is composed of people who are more highly educated on average and who have an active role in our capitalist economy. I have a hunch that when they refer to the far-left they are just referring to the left.

            I interpret your comment to mean that only the left is advocating for the left to gain power, which was my point as well. My only comment here is that nobody to the right of the left is trying to put the left in power. The opposite is true with certainty.

  • elbucho@lemmy.worldEnglish
    674·
    2 days ago

    They gave plenty of statements of caution before the election, and most of the country simply didn’t care. So now we reap what we have sown. We did this to ourselves.

      • elbucho@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21·
        2 days ago

        More like almost 70% of us did it to everyone else. 77.3 million people voted for Trump, and about 90 million people just straight up didn’t vote. They’re to blame as well.

    • callouscomic@lemm.eeEnglish
      82·
      2 days ago

      “The People get the politicians they deserve.”

      I’ve heard this before.

    • lennybird@lemmy.worldEnglish
      73·
      2 days ago

      Yeah I can’t even blame them. The right control everything already, including what the vast majority of Americans see.

      Let’s just pretend if Democrats tried to do something similar to Jan 6. My god you would hear about it every day, 24/7 across all social media platforms, fox news, etc. The megaphone of the right is unmatched. There would be military tribunals Republicans would declare literal war on the traitorous scum.

      • elbucho@lemmy.worldEnglish
        32·
        2 days ago

        Ultimately, at this point it boils down to a choice: either abandon the principles of democracy and cling to power, or transfer power peacefully to the next government. Biden and Harris ain’t gonna do option 1, nor should they. We should have to face the consequences of our idiotic actions. So, since they’re going to peacefully transfer power, at this point, it’s all about preserving whatever shreds of their own legacy they’ve got left. And to whinge and moan at this point would be beneath their dignity.

        They lost. They’re adults. They’re bummed about it, but they’re going to keep a stiff upper lip and not degrade themselves.

    • Mossy Feathers (She/They)@pawb.social
      1115·
      2 days ago

      Who’s “we”?

      Who’s “we” motherfucker?

      You best understand that I’m not part of your fucking “we”. I did not do this to myself, nor did I do this to any of my friends. We did what we knew how. We most certainly did not do this to ourselves, and personally I’m not going to just shrug and sigh and lay down and take it.

      America’s chosen government doesn’t see me or many of my friends as human because we’re trans and you’re saying “we” must reap what “we” have sown, as if we are somehow responsible for our own persecution. That’s victim blaming. That’s what spineless people say when they have no real skin in the game. That’s what people say when they’re too scared to speak up. That’s coward shit.

      Well, I refuse to take responsibility for this trash. I refuse to take responsibility for the abuse I and my friends will likely be subjected to in the coming years. Nor do I have the option to just lay down and take it.

      Fuck your “we”.

      • Warl0k3@lemmy.world
        142·
        2 days ago

        “We” here clearly refers to the country as a whole, which you know. So why are you directing this rage at someone who’s probably on your side, even agrees with you, and was backed into a grammatical corner due to english’s lack of nuanced collective nouns? Do you seriously think alienating some of our few allies with aggressively performative rage is going to keep your friends safe?

        We all feel like this, we’re all scared for what this fascist fuck might do to us & ours, so don’t make it harder for everyone by taking your anger out on people who are just venting their frustration and worry to the universe.

      • Ledivin@lemmy.world
        3·
        2 days ago

        and personally I’m not going to just shrug and sigh and lay down and take it.

        What’s your plan, then? What are you doing?

      • Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.winEnglish
        62·
        2 days ago

        and personally I’m not going to just shrug and sigh and lay down and take it.

        Uh huh. I look forward to seeing your daily activity on Lemmy without interruption for the next 4 years instead of in the News where it would actually matter.

      • elbucho@lemmy.worldEnglish
        83·
        2 days ago

        I think you took my post in a spirit other than which it was intended, and then just sprinted away with it.

        We, in the terms of my post, is Americans. We voted for Donald Trump, whether it was casting a ballot for him directly, voting 3rd party, or just failing to show up. 75 million people voted for Harris, but that wasn’t enough. 77.3 million voted for Trump, and around 90 million people who could have voted simply did not vote at all. So basically, of the eligible voting population, only around 31% of us voted for Harris. 69% of us either couldn’t be fucked to vote at all, or voted for that fat orange piece of shit.

        So… we deserve what we voted for.

        Note that in the above, the “we” includes you, but does not blame you. It sounds like you did what you could to prevent it, but it simply wasn’t enough. Not enough people cared. Now we all have to suffer.

  • ERROR: Earth.exe has crashed@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    242·
    2 days ago

    So you are saying they should’ve done a coup?

    I wonder what the political leaning of the military is… 🤔

    (Spoilers: most of the military voted trump, basically, we’re fucked)

    • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
      204·
      2 days ago

      Even if Biden went 100% coup mode we all know that these internet warriors would have never answered the call to support Biden.

      They are here to troll and complain and not get anything done. These fuckers are the ones who threw Biden out of the campaign and forced a new candidate.

    • Katana314@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      2 days ago

      That might be a poor example, since Palpatine used the attempts on his life as a political weapon. We don’t know how things would have gone if the Jedi explained their actions and garnered support before moving to arrest.

  • Oisteink@feddit.nl
    143·
    2 days ago

    How come you guys cant own up your own fqulta and keep blaming other people. I know the avg merican is dense, but this is insane