And the progressives lost to the Democrats in purely leftist contests in 2022, 2018 and other elections.
Switching over to a group who can’t even consistently win a Senator or House seat is the wrong move.
Until you show some political muscle, I don’t trust you either with defeating Trump or other groups. Prove yourselves in 2026 if you want me to take you seriously by 2028.
The only lesson I learned is that the far left are backstabbers who will chant Free Palestine and fuck up their own party, rather than come together to fight Trump.
I’m Republican. The country has moved so far right that I’m basically joining the Democrats now.
But ignore that at your own peril. Pretend that you can just convince people on internet platforms that no one is using. Meanwhile Zuckerberg is using AI bots to hypnotize the masses while Elon Musk replicates the door-knocking campaign with $300,000,000+ in SuperPAC money.
The obvious play is to bow my head towards Zuckerberg (and similar Billionaires) to support the Democrats instead actually. That’s the political reality of the current circumstances.
But golly it sure seems like going Right worked well for Republicans!
Funny how I heard the same concerns about Trump lol.
Nothing like a Third Way enlightened centrist who thinks we should water down factual policy to cater with ignorance on the right. It’s worked so well! Back to Hillary, amirite?
In fact let’s just run it back with a Hillary / Harris ticket, only this time we go to the right of Republicans!
I completely agree, but I don’t believe these points are mutually exclusive.
We lost them partly (but not exclusively) because we never stood by what we believed in. We just looked like Republican-lite; a spineless version of Republicans.
Nah, I believe that if the Democrats actually called out the problem that is the rich, like Koch brothers, like Murdoch, Like Trump, like Musk, like Bezos as far back as 2008 and truly road on a hope & change progressive economic populism that maybe we wouldn’t have arrived to the point where the rich could just buy out every legitimate platform for journalism out there in the first place.
This was decades in the making and weak, watered-down response to obvious corruption meant inches turned into miles.
Democracy is as much about persuasion as it is representation if not more so. Democrats have always been atrocious at even trying to persuade the electorate. Instead every cycle we partake in the definition of insanity, trying to reach the Ignorant and naive electorate on the terms defined by how Republicans have persuaded them. Naturally this moves the Overton Window rightward over…and over… And over again.
You said we’ve moved so far right that you’re practically a Dem now. Well now you know why.
Wake me up when my fellow Democrats start believing in something. When the keys of power within the party are actually handed to the ones who care, the progressives and not used to undermine them at every turn.
Oh, as if Bernie Sanders and AOC are silent on the issue or something?
The argument is well known in the public. Republicans simply label that thinking as socialist or communist and then the far left is easily shut down.
But hey, maybe if you talk more about the rich again, Occupy Wall Street will happen again and increase the power of the Tea Party even harder. Look at history and think about who actually benefited from that argument.
For anyone reading this, this means we don’t donate enough money. That’s the only “political muscle” liberals care about, even if they just flush those dollars down the toilet.
If you’re the fucking adults, then you should be able to beat someone like Trump, right? A billion fucking dollars you wasted to fucking lose.
Don’t lecture me on “political muscle” when liberals can’t even beat Trump
If you’re the fucking adults, then you should be able to beat someone like Trump, right?
Uh, no. This fucking stupid idea that you can pretend that Trump or what he represents is “easy” to defeat is the most bullshit I’ve ever seen. Keep living in a fucking delusion where its “easy” to win vs the far right movement.
I didn’t realize it was solely my responsibility to unfuck this country. I thought that’s what they paid their political consultants a billion dollars for.
Since I was replying to a comment I’d like to point out that the American Democratic party is a centrist party or even right of center. It is composed of people who are more highly educated on average and who have an active role in our capitalist economy. I have a hunch that when they refer to the far-left they are just referring to the left.
I interpret your comment to mean that only the left is advocating for the left to gain power, which was my point as well. My only comment here is that nobody to the right of the left is trying to put the left in power. The opposite is true with certainty.
They just want to blame mainstream Democrats so that the far left gains power. Even if it makes for shittier short and long term politics.
Building a greater coalition is basically the only path forward in these times.
We should blame Mainstream Dems because they lost to Trump and failed to defend our country from fascism. Twice.
And the progressives lost to the Democrats in purely leftist contests in 2022, 2018 and other elections.
Switching over to a group who can’t even consistently win a Senator or House seat is the wrong move.
Until you show some political muscle, I don’t trust you either with defeating Trump or other groups. Prove yourselves in 2026 if you want me to take you seriously by 2028.
The only lesson I learned is that the far left are backstabbers who will chant Free Palestine and fuck up their own party, rather than come together to fight Trump.
Keep moving right see how that works out for you.
I’m Republican. The country has moved so far right that I’m basically joining the Democrats now.
But ignore that at your own peril. Pretend that you can just convince people on internet platforms that no one is using. Meanwhile Zuckerberg is using AI bots to hypnotize the masses while Elon Musk replicates the door-knocking campaign with $300,000,000+ in SuperPAC money.
The obvious play is to bow my head towards Zuckerberg (and similar Billionaires) to support the Democrats instead actually. That’s the political reality of the current circumstances.
But golly it sure seems like going Right worked well for Republicans!
Funny how I heard the same concerns about Trump lol.
Nothing like a Third Way enlightened centrist who thinks we should water down factual policy to cater with ignorance on the right. It’s worked so well! Back to Hillary, amirite?
In fact let’s just run it back with a Hillary / Harris ticket, only this time we go to the right of Republicans!
I’m a former rural Republican by the way.
Your concerns don’t matter vs the media machine that is Facebook, WashPo, LA Times, TikTok, Twitter and more.
The simple fact is that the Left has lost every single media. Literally all of them.
I completely agree, but I don’t believe these points are mutually exclusive.
We lost them partly (but not exclusively) because we never stood by what we believed in. We just looked like Republican-lite; a spineless version of Republicans.
You lost them because Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post.
Or what? You think Washington Post’s opinion changed from left-leaning to right-leaning because of Gaza or some shit?
Nah, I believe that if the Democrats actually called out the problem that is the rich, like Koch brothers, like Murdoch, Like Trump, like Musk, like Bezos as far back as 2008 and truly road on a hope & change progressive economic populism that maybe we wouldn’t have arrived to the point where the rich could just buy out every legitimate platform for journalism out there in the first place.
This was decades in the making and weak, watered-down response to obvious corruption meant inches turned into miles.
Democracy is as much about persuasion as it is representation if not more so. Democrats have always been atrocious at even trying to persuade the electorate. Instead every cycle we partake in the definition of insanity, trying to reach the Ignorant and naive electorate on the terms defined by how Republicans have persuaded them. Naturally this moves the Overton Window rightward over…and over… And over again.
You said we’ve moved so far right that you’re practically a Dem now. Well now you know why.
Wake me up when my fellow Democrats start believing in something. When the keys of power within the party are actually handed to the ones who care, the progressives and not used to undermine them at every turn.
Oh, as if Bernie Sanders and AOC are silent on the issue or something?
The argument is well known in the public. Republicans simply label that thinking as socialist or communist and then the far left is easily shut down.
But hey, maybe if you talk more about the rich again, Occupy Wall Street will happen again and increase the power of the Tea Party even harder. Look at history and think about who actually benefited from that argument.
For anyone reading this, this means we don’t donate enough money. That’s the only “political muscle” liberals care about, even if they just flush those dollars down the toilet.
If you’re the fucking adults, then you should be able to beat someone like Trump, right? A billion fucking dollars you wasted to fucking lose.
Don’t lecture me on “political muscle” when liberals can’t even beat Trump
Uh, no. This fucking stupid idea that you can pretend that Trump or what he represents is “easy” to defeat is the most bullshit I’ve ever seen. Keep living in a fucking delusion where its “easy” to win vs the far right movement.
If you defeating a boorish, racist idiot isn’t easy then the Democrats need to up their fucking game.
Did you help the Democrats last election?
I didn’t realize it was solely my responsibility to unfuck this country. I thought that’s what they paid their political consultants a billion dollars for.
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If that’s the case, maybe progressives should’ve beat… Anybody?
I’m sorry I can’t hear you over the inauguration of a literal fascist tomorrow
Nobody is trying to put the far left in power. The left is a threat to capitalism and cheap labor.
Depending on your definition of trying, almost all of lemmy is
Since I was replying to a comment I’d like to point out that the American Democratic party is a centrist party or even right of center. It is composed of people who are more highly educated on average and who have an active role in our capitalist economy. I have a hunch that when they refer to the far-left they are just referring to the left.
I interpret your comment to mean that only the left is advocating for the left to gain power, which was my point as well. My only comment here is that nobody to the right of the left is trying to put the left in power. The opposite is true with certainty.
What? Lol