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The first time I ran into the KKK in the woods, I was really glad I had a stick of dynamite on me.
It’s funny if you watch them for a minute too, their burning cross catches its surroundings on fire, burning many of them to death.
Interesting. Muuuch more satisfying to blow them up, though.
It’s funny because moron used to be a medical term as well.
Much people forget before black slavery there was white slavery… So its just good if there is none slavery.
Are you saying white slavery was as systemic and width spread as black slavery in America? If so I’ve missed a big part of the American slave history.
No, I’m just saying what I wrote. It is not meant to be an equality or anything else but just a statement that it is good without any slavery no matter what origin, skin color and (even if I am an atheist and despise any religion) religious affiliation. It was also not referring to Americans but a general statement.
Sure, but the image is about a game taking place in American history. I agree that no slavery is good but you comment doesn’t add much to the historical context. If anything removes nuance.
Would be good without modern slavery right? Penal labor. But well affected are black white whatever.
But I could have expressed myself more directlyThere is a certain type of whataboutism where people are just super eager to remind people that “well, actually, white people were slaves too” when referring to slavery in America. It’s likely why they appear to be more on guard about what you’re saying.
Not comparable
This argument is fucking stupid. And racist.
The argument that chattle slavery and ye olde roman slavery are wildly different is stupid and racist? Cool story.
They’re both two types of slavery. They’re in the same category. They can be compared.
Well sure anything can be compared in a literal sense. For example, based on your responses, I think you are either more racist or more ignorant than the average individual. However, the literal comparability of the two types of slavery is not exactly the point anyone is making here.
Of course they are comparable, just that the statement is a little strange in the context of American history.
Slavery is slavery no matter who does it or whom it’s done to.
“White slavery” was white people that were slaves. Black slaves literally weren’t viewed as people! Thus, no one cared if you beat them, starved them, raped them, tortured them, and/or killed them. Which we as a country did. That’s the difference.
“viewed as people” is meaningless unless it confers some special rights afforded to people.
White slaves didn’t have any more rights than black slaves, largely because skin-color based distinction is a rather modern invention (compared to the institution of slavery) and the defining traits of both black and white slaves were that they’re slaves. And slaves were universally treated poorly. Even the most benevolent slave owners in antiquity were cruel, because why wouldn’t you be? The damn thing might start getting uppity if you didn’t remind it you’re in control. Just imagine it might cause damage to someone else, and you’d be dragged to court over it!
A crime against your slave was a crime against your household (assuming you’re the head of the household), which you were entitled to drag the other party to court for. But there was literally no legal framework that would allow any kind of prosecution for anything you did to your own household. You could also beat them, kill them, rape them, literally anything. They had no defense. The only person empowered to prosecute on their behalf would be the one beating them.
So no, “white people that were slaves” weren’t people in any meaningful sense, because oppression and supremacy in much of the pre-modern world didn’t care about skin color. The romanticism around white slavery is bullshit, because owning other humans has never been anything but cruel.
I don’t think it was about “white vs black” as much as it was about “America can take any system, good or bad, and turn it into something so much worse”.
Not even close. Chattel slavery is much worse.
Try again
And somehow this game is never part of the examples that some bigots are listing when talking about woke games.
Similarly with Cyberpunk 2077 and Baldur’s Gate 3. Both of those games are gay as fuck.
Cyberpunk got a lot of hate by that crowd leading into release, and they dunked on the release a ton as if it vindicated them.
It’s obvious they’ve never read any of Mike Pondsmith’s stuff if they think gender and sexuality in the Cyberpunk universe is any way at all viewed from a conservative lense.
I mean, they were just chuds angry that you could have a character with male and female sexual characteristics, I don’t think any of them had the brainpower to read.
Well, yeah. That would require them to actually read and use their brain, and that’s liberal shit.
I only saw hate on release for bugs and for the way it ran. Not for being woke. Idk
Which ones are they listing? I’m a bit out of the bigotry loop.
Usually it is any game that has a woman as a main protagonist.
The biggest examples are:
Horizon Zero Dawn
There was “controversy” where devs were releasing promotional material for the game and they released a video where they showcased graphical advancements and they zoomed in really close on the MC and you can see the very thin hair on her face that literally every person has. Some people didn’t like that.
The Last of Us 2 - very masculine woman
Fable - Not released yet, but the trailer had a woman that is not conventionally attractive.
Dragon Age Vanguard
Life is strange
Intergalactic The Heretic Prophet - new Naughty Dog’s game, Black Woman as MC
This is just from the top of my head.
Suddenly this has me wondering if the south is playing a whole’nother game.
I’m honestly surprised that no one calls this game woke
Nobody except the craziest of crazy thinks negatively about woke stuff if the actual content is good. Examples of good ones from the top of my hat: Arcane S1, Last of Us S1E3, Twin Peaks S3E4.
This is how you actually influence opinions to a good direction.
When the wokeism was apparently more important to the producers than the quality of the actual product is when shit gets irritating and from the pov of activism, counter-productive.
i have only ever heard good things about that show. it apparently brought in a lot of new players (who then promptly left because they realized what the game and community were like).
I never played the game (League of Legends) and the show didn’t really make me want to play it. The show (at least season 1, I haven’t finished it yet) is still superb.
oh i read your post as if the show was an example of woke without substance.
Oh okay. No, I meant Arcane as an example of the good ones. Edited my post a bit.
I feel like people might have. I vaguely remember when it first came out that there was someone on youtube uploading videos of them assaulting the woman’s suffrage protester and they got taken down after blowing up.
Because the game sold and reviewed well, so it goes against the narrative of “get woke go broke”
I think literally every business in the world has managed to tow that line. It’s not like the right stopped drinking bud light. Although they probably should have.
What is woke about the game?
Anti racism is woke. Arthur actively beats the shit out of or yells at anyone who is racist. Arthur is woke. This is a good thing.
Also, you can murder random Klan members and increase your honour.
Did not know that
They mean just in general.
Yep, there’s a bunch of Klan meets you can happen upon, where every attendee you kill nets you an increase in honour.
Know what I’m doing when i finish dragon age.
I like to start with the dynamite when they’re doing the racist Hokey Cokey.
Not sure if satire.
Being not racist is woke now? I thought it was just normal.
I didn’t say not racist. I said anti racist.
What did you think woke means?
Always has been
What do you think “woke” means?
Woke is just things the right don’t like. Even if it’s just a personal thing like salad.
I love comments like this. Reinforces how similar the left and right are.
Right: woke! socialism! communist! = thing they don’t like.
Left: racist! bigot! fascist! = thing they don’t like.
Two sides of the same coin.
Show me the example of a left-wing politician talking about woke.
Have you seen the average gamer responses lately? The needle for woke has now moved to female protagonist = woke unless she’s shaped like an anime girl anyway
Not to say that youre wrong, or to imply that ‘woke’ is a real concept beyond whatever makes fascist chuds feel bad in their undeveloped brains, but being anti-racist is a lot different than being not racist, and takes a lot more courage.
Tax is woke. The neighbour who fills up my wheely bin is woke. Kids who play music on the bus are woke.
Literally everything mentioned in the 4chan post.
I don’t feel that it’s woke. It’s pretty standard for today. Maybe in the 1800s this could be defined as woke
Mainly because you can shove “woke” shit down peoples throats and they won’t care as long as they get to play a manly man or stacked chick and the story and characters are well developed. It’s just when the game is really bad that people care about it and then the studios can blame the poor performance on the alt-right as a cop out for their shitty game. I.e. Star Wars outlaws and Concorde
people have been very uppity about the new dragon age even though i hear that’s good.
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Outlaws is a good game though
I love the fact that the slave owner is not only the one unarmed person you don’t lose honor for killing, but you actually gain honor for killing him.
You also don’t lose honor for killing this guy, and can do it right in front of the police without them reacting
Because attacking Norris will not affect the player’s honor, nor gain the player a wanted level, the player can hogtie Norris and drag him across the map to achieve the Rank 4 Horseman Challenge.
That guy was, I think, intended as a stand-in for real-life eugenicist and all-round villain Henry Laughlin. Killing him in-game was quite the treat.
I can shoot that dude without getting a bounty? :O
I would never have guessed. I can’t even walk down the street in Saint Denis without getting bullshit “disturbing the peace” bounties. I like to pretend it’s because they’re jealous of Arthur’s awesome mustache.
I’m going to remember that for my next playthrough. I always just punched him and made him run away.
Hmm, I’ll have to give that a try
A fuckin CENSORED greentext? Really? Never thought I’d see the day 4chan got whitewashed lol
#NotMy4chan
Assuming OOP said ‘removed’, that doesn’t fit their message well does it?
it’s called context switching, within 4chan the r-word is an honorific rather than a slur.
There is nothing wrong with the word “retard”, don’t let corporations push their double speak.
Americans and their hatred of random words. Lmao.
I’ve grappled with “retard” & “bitch” (made a thread about it a couple months ago too, trying to form/reform my opinion).
Clearly we have to be careful with any messages industry pushes. With that said -
What do you think about these statements from Special Olympians?
To break down my response to this
The R-word is EXCLUSIVE
There are people with high intelligence and those with low intelligence, bandying about with different words will never change that. Intelligence is crucial in social, economic and evolutionary terms. They are correct no one would ever want to be lacking in intelligence because it would only make life worse. There will always be a need for a word to describe someone of lower intellect, or describe an argument or position as being thoughtless, in order to dismiss the person or idea as quickly as possible with as little engagement possible. Preferably while using small words so they understand.
You can still say they have a room temperature IQ but they might not get the meaning…
We are someone that is not your kind.
I agree, and I would not want someone with an IQ of 70 to be in the military, or to be a teacher, or a doctor, as each of those scenarios would likely result in disaster not just for the 70 IQ individual but for everyone impacted by them.
Everyone has a gift
Yea no. This “everyone is special” bullshit just isn’t how the world works. The universe doesn’t care about you, the world is a harsh place where the unfit died early deaths until really intelligent people worked out how to increase food production, developed medicines, surgeries and hygiene.
Retard equates intellectual disability with being DUMB or STUPID
You only need to look up the etymology and history of clinical usage of both dumb and stupid to realise they were used to describe the same groups of people and behaviours during different time periods. More bullshit on the treadmill.
I refuse to censor the word retard while moron, stupid, dumb and idiot are considered fine. To censor a synonym of acceptable words, is to put it bluntly, fucking removed.
I appreciate your good faith response. I see and empathize with your perspective. To play devil’s advocate, you can’t control whether a group of people decide, out of the blue, to internalize hurtful language that isn’t aimed at them. The N-word had a very specific target and a very cruel purpose. The word “retard” did not. It basically has the same vernacular trajectory as “moron,” or “idiot.” From medical diagnosis to non-specific pejorative. Why aren’t those synonyms verboten? Because people like to make things about themselves.
I literally had an argument with @[email protected] about this a while back where he declared retard as against sub rules but then continued to call the poster a moron. They’re the same fucking word from different time periods on the treadmill of what is politically correct.
Either both are slurs that shouldn’t be used or both are acceptable.
They’re the same fucking word from different time periods on the treadmill of what is politically correct.
Either both are slurs that shouldn’t be used or both are acceptable.
That’s not how language works, and unless you go around calling Black folk ‘colored’, you understand that in other contexts. What words are acceptable and what connotations they have change with time and usage.
The parallels between the ableist slur and the racist one run deeper than your argument seems to acknowledge. The word “retard” actually does have a specific history and a specific target. It wasn’t just common vernacular - it was a medical diagnosis.
The reason medical practice has completely abandoned its use is the same reason society should abandon it - it has a history of exclusion, prejudice, and measurable social harm.
By using an outdated (and objectively terrible) diagnosis as an insult for people who we deem intellectually inferior, we continue to associate developmental and behavioral disabilities with being inferior, and perpetuate the systemic and systematic injustices that some of our most vulnerable population still face to this day.
A “moron” was also a medical diagnosis. Historically, the n-word was designed to be cruel and humiliating. The word retard was not.
If you choose to be offended every time the word “moron” gets thrown around that’s your prerogative.
It comes from the medical diagnosis “mental retardation”. It was designed from the beginning to target disabled people.
That is true, if you use it against disabled poeple. I only use it against moronic able poeple who should know better.
Honestly, that’s maybe worse. If you’re using it to say something bad about someone else, that means it’s a bad thing and should be condemned. The people who it is actually meant to apply to (in its original meaning) then see them, as a group, as a thing that is insulting to even be associated with.
It’s wild how hard critical thought is for some people while discussing a word about intelligence…
This post reminded me of that old Louis CK bit on not liking the term “N Word” because it transfer the burden of saying the actual word from the speaker to the listener’s brain
Louis CK’s bit on the word “removed” is pretty damn good too.
Joke’s on him my brain is always saying it 😎
How about your heart?
Speaking sumerian.
depicted as
It’s so social media AI doesn’t block the image. Yeah, that’s our world now.
Wasn’t that just Reddit?
> You will not be able to play multiplayer without hackers ruining the experience
If you play on PC you can change 1 file in a text editor and get solo lobbies every time. Share the file or the changes with friends and you’ll all join each other, I assume it’s got something to do with file hashing
I made a YouTube video on it years ago when I noticed the load screen skip mod produced interesting results in lobbies and started testing and occasionally people comment that it still works lol
Article + video here: https://www.grunch.com/trick-play-red-dead-online-in-a-solo-private-session/
Oh fuck not only is that my video he hella stole my description lol
Not that I give a fuck the whole point was to give people the info
Is it as bad as GTA Online?
Worse. I’m convinced that Rockstar only keeps the servers running because nobody knows which ones they are among the sea of GTA5 servers. The game has been entirely abandoned by the devs, because it never took off like GTA5 did.
Hacking in RDO isn’t just rampant; It’s downright expected. If you’re not hacking, you’ll constantly get blown up from across the map by people with unlimited explosive ammo, no reloads, and auto-aim. The bare minimum requirement is an unlimited health hack, just so you can survive the cross-map snipes long enough to finish a mission or two.
It’s worse. It is utterly abandoned by rockstar
I tried playing online when it first came out. It was fun for a few days, but wasn’t very long before cheaters would just spawn a hundred cougars right on top of you every game.
I’m sure that was frustrating for you, but from an outsider’s perspective that’s funny as fuck.
Yeah the first time was objectively funny. But it became a multiple times an hour thing, where you just couldn’t play the game any more.
Well if you can’t beat 'em, might as well join 'em.
Know of any good hacks?
David Cage is a pretty good hack
Eh nick cage is the hackiest hack of all time
It seems worse. Though now days whenever I play GTA Online, it’s in private friends only mode.
Worse.
Can’t even bang prostitutes, cowboy gta 1/5 stars
instance checks out
You can? Tho they are quite expensive, still cheaper than a gf tho!
But what does that have to do with this game?
Nah if you say yes it’s a set up. Why code something that isn’t available. It’s like making a door that never opens. Or a war game with no blood. Or an empty building. Immediate world breaking. Those nice honorable cowboys who have killed hundreds of men lol. The game just seemed lazy and repetitive to me. Good job Rock $tar. Also fuck you for having your own loader.
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If you agree to the one lady of the evening she leads you into a trap.
I was not talking about the game? I never played it?
Oh great. Now I just lost The Game. Thanks a lot.
Not that game.
And BTW, you won the game.
Neither of these sentences are questions? Stop using question marks on statements?
You know, I didn’t believe in postumus abortions until I read your comment?
Whoosh 😂
whoosh
Of course the only person who feels the need to voice negativity about the game is also the person with a demonstable inability to read.
Rustled your jimmies aye? Aren’t you clever, how many languages do you read/write? Just proficient at cowboy cock I see. Y’all have fun up on that mountain hopefully your back is ok now.
I see someone had their ego attached to that opinion.
Bends over glide and pulls his skin back. Animation waste several seconds of life. “He smells awful.” Skunk skin +1.
There was that other thread talking about Ubisoft games and how theyre putting a black samurai in there. I wrote a comment about how ubisoft marketing is so controversial but then they deliver these milquetoast Ubisoft games.
Just imagine if Farcry 5 actually went the route of RDR2 and had some fucking balls. Instead of try to appeal to both sides.
That’s what I don’t get, out of millions and hundreds of thousands gamers, how many are actually that stupid and bigoted to rage on anything they don’t like? These incel gamers always accuse many games as being woke, but then these games are blockbusters. Devs listen to a loud minority who don’t represent the entire community of gamers. The rest are silent majority who, have varying interest of games, like a game for being a good game, not because it is “woke”. And hate a bad game, because it is a bad game. It’s simple as.
Devs fall into the faux outrage bait from tiny minority of unthinking hordes, and it actually makes them bad than if they just ignore ridiculous baseless cries.
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As someone who has been reading about gaming for a long time, it’s the console wars but now that gaming has become mainstream, it became political.
There has always been drama in gaming, there used to be PlayStation and Xbox fanboys that clearly wanted to be part of a team and for their team to win, it’s what makes it social for some people.
Then gaming became huge, the industry shifted and now we have a lot more diversity in types of games. So now you have these teams but it’s about other things (I’m on the story mode and no microtransaction team myself).
One team really benefits right wing media, and that’s the ones complaining about games being woke (and whatever that means). It’s amplified and hence why even though we live in the golden age of gaming choice, we keep hearing this loud minority.
I miss the era just before the internet really took off when the console war was fought on the playground between Nintendo kids and Sega kids.
Wow, that was their takeaway from that game? I honestly didn’t think about it once the whole playthrough, why are they so desperate to role play racism/sexism?
Oh we’re they saying these things like how much they hate Wokeness or something?
I thought this was an endorsement!
I thought OOP was saying it’s a good thing too
Coming from 4chan, I read it as loser whinging about “woke”.
I need to fire this game up again when I get home
Is it OK to do the opposite?
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