• Packet@lemmy.ml
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    5 days ago

    Basically pulled out of the ass. A South Korean lawyer said that, citing Internal Intelligence, that’s it. It is the same as believing RFA. God the news are horrid, everything to push propaganda

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      This is more propaganda for the west. Gives the impression Ukraine will win any day now, but still desperately needs more terrorist weapons. It doesn’t work on Russia or DPRK.

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      Russians have reportedly been told to kill North Korean troops so they are not captured by Ukrainians, an expert has said.

      South Korea has also claimed that Kim Jong Un’s soldiers have been told to end their own lives lest they are taken as prisoners of war.

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        Why don’t they do what soldiers are supposed to do and fight to avoid capture? Or better yet, just withdraw and go home?

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          Or better yet, just withdraw and go home?

          Numerous testimonies of North Korean defectors confirm the practice of kin punishment (연좌제, yeonjwaje literally “association system”) in North Korea, under which three to eight generations of a political offender’s family can be summarily imprisoned or executed.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin_punishment#North_Korea

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            I meant that if Russia and NK can’t afford to keep troops on the front, then they should withdraw and send them home. Not that individual soldiers should defect and return to their homes. That would be incredibly stupid, since it’s probably punishable by execution.

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              I meant that if Russia and NK can’t afford to keep troops on the front, then they should withdraw and send them home.

              Both can afford North Korean soldiers just fine. There are suggestions that North Korea gets missile technology designs and North Korea sends disposable soldiers and old, rusty equipment.

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      I imagine Kim Jong Un doesn’t want his soldiers spending time in Europe unsupervised before returning back to DPRK. Wouldn’t surprise me if the order came from him to Putin.

      EDIT: the order probably came from Kim Jong Un’s sister, she’s the brutal one. But it no doubt has his stamp of approval.

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        the order probably came from Kim Jong Un’s sister, she’s the brutal one.

        I have never heard of that. Source?

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          Here is one: https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2018/02/21/burying-our-heads-in-the-sand-female-participation-in-political-violence-the-kim-yo-jong-story/

          There are also several books published detailing her brutal rise to power. Jong Un is the happy go lucky benevolent dictator who brought skiing and computers to North Korea. She’s the one who blew up a building she had a meeting with South Korea’s leaders in to make a point about where their diplomacy was headed.

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            Thanks.

            I might be misreading but I can’t find anything in that source that implies that she does in anyway run the show or is worse than her brother. The source seems to be mostly about how women in general can be bad and can be terrorists.

            She is very likely a bad person, but from your source I don’t see any reason why she would be the one that did or ordered this. (Assuming the order is true and is a North Korean order at all)

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              I didn’t say she ran the show. She does the things her brother can’t do without ruining his likeability. Everything she does is with his complete approval. She currently sits in the highest government position ever occupied by a woman and is in charge of all DPRK’s propaganda (including her brother’s public image) and she is the second in command, reportedly responsible for running the country when her brother is medically incapacitated. Kim Jong Un’s kids are still too young to take power in his absence and if he dies before they come of age, Kim Yo Jong will rule in her brother’s place.

              Here is an article that states Kim Yo Jong called repeatedly for the collapse of the Joint Liason with South Korea office building before it suddenly…did.

              https://www.npr.org/2020/06/16/877887300/in-terrific-explosion-north-korea-blows-up-liaison-office

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                She does the things her brother can’t do without ruining his likeability.

                What things?

                I don’t understand. How is it relevant whatsoever if she is a woman or not?

                Does women in power often become brutal or what?

                What sources do you have that she is in anyway more brutal than the one that’s actually in charge. And what are you basing your ideas that she is the one that ordered this?

                I’m not saying she is not brutal (she is part of a dictator regime so the opposite would be surprising) but what is there that points to her being worse than her brother.

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        the order probably came from Kim Jong Un’s sister, she’s the brutal one.

        By killing the North Korean soldiers, their families will probably not be punished because they stood their ground. In a very sick and twisted way, these killings probably save the lives of the families. The entire families of “traitors” are executed or put in a penal camp. If she’s so brutal, why would she care about that?

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      Because prisoners of war get food. The russian invasion of Ukraine has a logistics problem. They cannot keep the front lines supplied, so soldiers are out in the cold with no food, no ammo, and little hope of survival. There have been reports of russian soldiers seeking out Ukrainian solders in order to surrender.

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        I don’t understand. The NK troops are fighting for Putin. If they become prisoners of war, the Ukrainians will be the ones feeding them. Why wouldn’t Putin want that?

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          Putin doesn’t want soldiers surrendering at all. He wants them to fight or die. NK soldiers may even hope to defect and trade their knowledge for citizenship and a cabin in Montana.

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            OK, now you’re making more sense. But how does your previous comment make sense?

            I think I finally get it. You meant that Russian POWs would get food, and thus they are surrendering. I still don’t see what that has to do with shooting North Koreans.

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              in the cold with no food

              Not OP, but I was assuming cannibalism. Hungry Russian soldiers need food.

              I remember hearing that Afghan soldiers brought goats with them on longer missions because live food doesn’t spoil.

              Or maybe just fewer mouths to feed with via the Russian supply lines

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      Why?!

      Putin claims these are Russians from Russia’s far east regions, often specifically Buryatia. He is afraid to look weak in the eyes of Russians. AFAIK to this day he hasn’t acknowledged that he uses Iranian drones either.