If PP acts out too much, watch Quebec. In 2026, we elect PSPP; in 2027, on devient un pays.
I don’t understand (like who’s PSPP?) but I’d like to, if you feel like paraphrasing more plainly
PSPP (Paul Saint-Pierre Plamondon) is the current leader of the Parti Québécois (PQ), the pro-independence party founded by René Lévesque, and that lead the push for the last two sovereignty referendums. He is quite popular and is probably going to be elected next Premier of Quebec.
If Pierre Poilievre pushes too hard right, the old social-democratic arguments for independence will start holding water again for quebeckers. The next election is in 2026. It should take another year for a PQ government to seize the opportunity and push another referendum, and we might be a new country by 2027.
What are the old social-democratic arguments, exactly? As an anglo, it seems funny to me to have a nationalist movement that’s not also traditionalist.
I appreciate the explanation, thank you! That’s an interesting outcome to think about. As an Ontarian/Canadian, I selfishly hope Québec doesn’t leave because Canada would be much more CPC-heavy without Québec
My pet theory is that the threat of Quebec sovereignty is a moderating force in Canadian politics.
My favorite outcome for 2025 is a Conservative minority with a strong Bloc (or NDP, but that’s less likely) as the official opposition.
Really? NDP opposition is more in line with the polls right now.
Maybe I’m wrong. I think I saw a poll to that effect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2025_Canadian_federal_election
PQ and NDP are both pretty level for the past few years, which leaves the NDP in a better position now that the Liberals are imploding. Maybe you saw a Quebec poll?
Bloc as official opposition would be pretty wild, but it sure is in the realm of possibilities.
I have a pet theory that Quebec plays a larger than recognized role in determining the balance of power federally between Conservatives and Liberals, because Quebec will elect some number of Liberals but practically no Conservatives (against AB, SK and the Maritimes which lean Conservative).
At the risk of sounding like the densest person you’ve encountered today, what’s your pet theory? That Quebec voters hold LPC’s feet to the fire with the threat that they’ll leave the Liberals and doom the Liberals as a result?
Bloc as official opposition would be pretty wild, but it sure is in the realm of possibilities.
I don’t know, haven’t lived in QC long enough. But a thing that seems to be recurring is that quebeckers are good at not being taken for granted. Not even the Bloc can always count on winning (remember the orange wave?) so the federal parties always have to pander to us, in ways that they don’t need to eg for Albertans who will dumbly votre blue no matter who.
Man, I wish Alberta was more like that. Zombie brand loyalty is frustrating.
On the other hand, it lets me pretend we don’t have FPTP, I guess. There’s less pandering to strategic demographics when there are none.
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I know people are going to vote him in, but I wonder how long before they realize he can’t fix the problems either and their lives get even worse.
They’ll just keep blaming Trudeau or the left or immigrants or woke or…
In 2027, when the people of Canada are weary after a few years of PP’s ‘leadership’, an early 2020s CPC “Fuck Trudeau” sign will hit hard
I wish you would be right, but it’s more likely that they will still ascribe it to Trudeau and the libs.
Blamestorming is part of the CPC platform.
Pp is going to be so bad
He’ll be voted in but always remember the people voting him in are uneducated bumpkins that can’t do think for themselves and just blindly repeat what they’re told to.
You know that might be most Canadians in the upcoming election, right? Do you really think to moment you leave Toronto or whatever people become toothless inbreds?
I’m not in this picture at all, by the way. Like the rest of Lemmy I dread PP. Exaggerated stereotypes serve nobody well.
What good does that do anyone? People looking down on one another and hating each other is a large part of the problem when it comes to voter misinformation.
Yeah, that’s probably correct… but what the hell kind of a solution are we supposed to be looking for? Reason is being lost on them, and it becomes increasingly exhausting to try and convince them to not believe in something they want to believe in.
Maybe it doesn’t do anyone any good, but I’m fucking tired of pretending that their opinions are in any way valid.
What we need both online and off is less tribalism and more open discussions of what economic and social policies have and haven’t worked for whom up until now, based in simple facts rather than sound bites and emotional manipulation.
Online though, there’s probably not much we can do. (Ideally there’s speaking truth to power if an opportunity arises, but we’re not talking about powerful people here, right?) Most real people (since much of the absolute worst vitriol we see online is astroturfing) can only be reached under the right conditions, like if they respect you or if they were already questioning things on their own and only need a little push. (Wealthy people have an advantage in that they can use money to induce favourable conditions all across a society, while the rest of us need to either be heavily organized or especially lucky. What works in regular people’s favour though is exposure to doses of reality. Not in a confrontational way, but in an empowering way.
Exactly. You can’t take them seriously at all because they’re just dumb hicks that have been mislead all of their lives but are amplified by social media now.
