Discovered in 2021, they’re the most cunning of the dark triads as they have the cognitive empathy that narcissists and psychopaths lack and this makes them the most manipulative and destructive individuals you could meet.
Dark empaths sounds like something made up to make life seem more dramatic and mysterious
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Send them thoughts and prayers. Or thots and playas. Depends on my mood…
I thought this falls under the general umbrella of “narcissist”? Some narcissists are good at reading other people’s emotions in order to manipulate them.
Yeah I don’t understand how that could have gone unnoticed til 2021.
Limited cognitive empathy is teachable in many cases. It’s not so rare.
I mean, I’ve been able to live my life so far without concerning myself with such things so I’d probably keep doing whatever the hell I’m currently doing.
also like global warming and if your in the us the whole corps are people and money is speech thing. Theres already a lot on the plate.
Is this the post you meant to reply to?
yeah. I was trying to say there are many more things to worry about than dark empaths. I thought it fit with your comment so I put it under it.
If something was discovered in 2021, wouldn’t it be confirmed to exist?
I should stress I do not believe in the concept in the way so many others conceptualize it. You slap a label like “dark triad” on a situation and suddenly the expectations go from “remember the human” to “classic Bond villain”. “Good” and “evil” are alignments as opposed to inclinations. And your limits can only influence how you walk the path to the destiny you choose. So if this was all “confirmed”, it would have no bearing on me. I know many people diagnosed under the dark triad system and most of them fight to be good people in their own way.
I thought in general psychopaths have cognitive empathy, what they lack is affective empathy.
I see you found my sister.
We are like absolute polar opposites, she and I. I’m particularly susceptible to this trait. Loyalty is my main defense. I’m quick to trust anyone, but give me any reason to doubt and I will always keep you at a distance.
As an empath I did feel that someone with the same skill but with nefarious/selfish intentions could be quite destructive on society so I’m not surprised about this.
I am just an armchair expert, but aren’t “dark empaths” already real? For example individuals with narcissistic personality disorder don’t necessarily lack empathy. Also manipulation “benefits” greatly from being empathic.
Having just quickly researched it, sounds like a description of any average classmate of mine when I still went to school tbh
Maybe the confusion is in things called empathy. One of them autistic people lack, another of them psychopaths and (true, as opposed to pseudo-narcissism one can find among autistic people) narcissists lack.
What you describe seems to be psychopaths. Or you mean some kind of people able to fully feel what psychopaths can’t, but turn it off as needed? I dunno.
Autistic people don’t lack empathy. I learned that as a kid too and it was a real barrier to getting diagnosed, because there are few qualities I more obviously possess than empathy.
Autistic people and allistic people use different signals to show their emotional state, so it’s easier for autistic people to interpret the emotions of fellow autistic people (and vice versa).
The other guy answered you.
There’s empathy like “theory of mind” to understand others, and there’s empathy like “compassion”. It’s not hard to see that these are completely different things.
I also replied to them that that’s not the current understanding. Autistic people are able to demonstrate both types of empathy with other autistic people, and neither autistic nor allistic people can do it as well with each other. There are just way more allistic people, so we used to think the empathy disconnect was one-sided.
OK, that was often true in my experience, but not always.
Autistic people lack cognitive empathy, which is the ability to read minds to see what other people are thinking.
That’s not true, they can infer emotions with similar accuracy from the nonverbal communication of other autistic people. The double empathy problem prevents this from happening between autistic and allistic people (in both directions!)
Cognitive empathy isn’t about emotions.
True, I thought that’s what you meant by mind reading. Nevertheless, from the linked article:
This theory and subsequent findings challenge the commonly held belief that the social skills of all autistic individuals are inherently and universally impaired across contexts, as well as the theory of “mind-blindness” proposed by prominent autism researcher Simon Baron-Cohen in the mid-1990s, which suggested that empathy and theory of mind are universally impaired in autistic individuals.[13][14][15][16]
Of course. The theory of mind stuff is all thoroughly debunked, and drag is proof an autistic person can have strong cognitive empathy. Drag is talking about averages, which in drag’s opinion are derived from social isolation in childhood and lack of passive learning ability due to attentional focus. Drag doesn’t think impairments in cognitive empathy are driven by a fundamental misunderstanding. Rather, it’s unfamiliarity. Cognitive empathy is a skill that autistic people are presented with fewer opportunities to practice.
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/human-neuroscience/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2014.00791/full
To fulfill the objective, the meta-analysis was performed on 35 studies that fulfilled the inclusion criteria with the help of the Meta-essentials, which is a free excel meta-analysis tool that facilitates the integration of effect sizes from various studies. The results indicated that the ASD group differs significantly from typically developing (TD) group in both cognitive and affective empathy. The effect size for cognitive empathy was very large (1.26), whereas, for affective empathy, the effect size was medium (0.58). Further, there was a significant moderating effect of the type of measure used on cognitive empathy. However, there are a few limitations of the present meta-analysis.
