Tech bros really never got the idea that cyberpunk is a genre of dystopian fiction.
You’re confusing the people who wrote the code with the product (business) team that decided they could monetize it. Engineers in large companies have zero creative control, and the people who do look more like wall street finance bros than the guys on silicon valley. Not that they don’t also suck, but please get why they suck.
Tech bros refers to a misogynistic behavior within tech circles and especially software development tied to traditional ideas that women can’t be technical because their vaginas get in the way. As a secondary bonus this leads to women trying to crush other women.
What if tech bros could be considered bad for two reasons?
No. No it does not.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/tech-bro
Because I see you skipped the first search result I’ll put this here for you https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brogrammer
Here is the third https://yourstory.com/2024/05/tech-bro-mindset-culture-decoded
You’re blaming the toxic worker for the differently toxic management decisions.
I think you might want to read that Wikipedia article, because it makes it very clear that the way you’re using it is not the only way it is used. That is generally not how people use it these days.
It always amazes me when people insist a word must have only one meaning and that must be the original meaning.
The idea that language isn’t fluid is very silly to me, and by that, I don’t mean prosperous. Maybe it isn’t the best meme.
Well the article is about two paragraphs long, so why don’t you highlight the section you think backs up your point because I sure don’t see it.
And to be clear, a product executive at VW is by no stretch “in tech”. I’d even consider IBM to be more of a tech company than VW, and IBM has more in common with PWC than apple.
I mean it’s literally right there:
but some programmers self-describe themselves as a brogrammer positively as a word for “sociable or outgoing programmer”, and it also tends to represent a subculture within the greater tech industry.
So that’s three different meanings for the same word. Again, it sounds to me like it’s possible for words to have more than one meaning or for word meanings to change. But that’s just my liberal woke viewpoint obviously.
So you’re leaning harder into the part I took most issue with? The deciders here are not programmers. Also, that behavior is a coping mechanism for not wanting to believe they are misogynistic douches.
And uh…what the fuck are you talking about with bringing in liberal woke viewpoint as a thing in this conversation? I sincerely hope you’re just a Russian troll because otherwise you’re incomprehensible.
Bro but why would you blame management, ie decisions makers within corpo structure, when you could be blaming the wagie…
Not very capitalist of you, mate!
It’s a dystopic for us, for them it is the bright future
…because they think they’ll be on the profiteering side.
And they think that the profiteering side still works like how it does today.
Then they need to read/watch more closely, because it isn’t all that bright for the people at the top either.
Isn’t this very illegal in the EU?
Can we please start criminally punishing the execs that signed off on this?
There is an enormous problem with companies just knowingly and willingly breaking the law, taking the fines as cost of business
Teaching sand to think was a mistake
I just watched the video. It is again a great and understandable talk, even for someone who has little technical knowledge. They also subtitle all their videos in English. I recommend it to everyone.
Video-Link with English dub: https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-wir-wissen-wo-dein-auto-steht-volksdaten-von-volkswagen#l=eng
Chaos Communication Congress is such a cool event… 🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪
Last year, they hacked a train to prove that the manufacturing company wrote code that fully locks the train when it arrives at rival repair shops.
It’s a well known privacy issue to those who care about privacy. It’s Official: Cars Are Terrible at Privacy and Security
The good news is that it this information will eventually reach the insurance companies. That should help with terrible car drivers getting some incentives and disincentives to not suck so much.
Automakers Are Sharing Consumers’ Driving Behavior With Insurance Companies - The New York Times
If you want freedom, you get a bicycle.
Nah, it’ll just make insurance more expensive and allow them to have more excuses to deny claims. Giving insurance companies more data to work with is never a good thing.
Deny claims and raise the premium.
Don’t want to deal with car insurance? Help end car dependency.
Slow!=good, slow is just slow. Driving 25 in a 35 doesn’t make you a better driver.
But lowering the speed limit to 25 and redisigning the street so 25 feels fast does increase safety.
Putting digital GPS governors in all the cars to limit them to the speed limit also increases safety. If e-bikes are dangerous enough to require governors, then cars certainly need them as well.
Neither of these ideas are remotely related to the topic. There’s probably arguments for and against both of your points, but that doesn’t matter.
You can probably assume every device with satnav and an internet connection is doing this.
And those 20 pages of text you scrolled to the bottom of without reading in order to click the OK button to get the directions to the nearest McDonalds gives them every right to do so.
They collect every single thing from how many times you open your door to how fast you drive
What models have they tracked?
In the now-released video, he mentions that it’s all the cars that use the MED-platform, which happens to be electric cars.
Specifically, he mentions these models:
- VW ID.3, ID.4, ID.5, ID.7
- Skoda Enyaq
- Audi Q4 e-tron
- Seat Cupra Born
I don’t know, if this is a comprehensive list.
It’s mentioned around 3:30 in the video.
Ah, thank you!
So the Leon is not included, thank you for clearing that up (:
They do actually mention the Leon on one slide at 13:48 and then another at 16:35. The first is related to enrollment data, which is basically whether you’re using their app + some metadata. The second one relates to their fleet management solution, which does allow them to collect position data, apparently. But I think, the Leon is not part of this leak, at least. At 22:26, they show the list of models that are part of the leak and the Leon is not mentioned.
all their electric cars
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All new cars
It doesn’t say ‘new’. It says in both the source tweet and linked event scheduling description ‘electric cars’. Not new, not all… electric.
Electric cars are more associated with smart junk but most of it is in newer ICE cars as well. What engine the car has is of little relevance to the computer system.
Does my 2021 Seat Leon FR PHEV count as an EV in this case?
PHEV
Electric is in the name…
Oh, fuck off with your sarcastic answers, sometimes a PHEV does count as an EV, other times it absolutely does not count.
So where does it state that PHEVs are counted in this case?
Hey it looks like some other guy didn’t help you much. I’m not going to help much either but I’d imagine that if your model has any kind of smart infotainment type of thing then it’s probably being tracked. I mean, from a business perspective, why wouldn’t you? It’d be lovely to have systems that allow you to navigate, take photos, listen to music, contact friends…without spying on you. Sadly, I don’t think companies see such things as being in their interests.
If you do find a list anywhere, I’d be interested to know. I don’t have a VW - just a petrol ford focus, but I imagine that my data is being collected in much the same way as this.
I suspect as much.
Still, it would be nice to get a clear yes/no answer.
I am already certain that my car is one of those privacy nightmares as reported on by Mozilla, and it would be good to know how screwed I actually am.
As for why a car maker wouldn’t track the car and spy on the occupants, GDPR is a huge reason, I just hope that it gets used
Well yes - I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that legislation is our best hope here. Not in my country, mind you, where I guarantee you that all we will get is lip-service to privacy, data protection, etc.
Removed by mod
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The. Name. Does. Not. Mean. Anything. Unless. Specified. Directly.
For fuck sake.
Removed by mod
It. Has. A combustion. Engine. Inside.
Because it is an electric vehicle with a generator. Hence why it wasn’t named a PHCE
Hard to know as the whole presentation hasn’t been released yet, for now only people who were in the conference room would know.
Let’s be real, any VW cars with a head unit with maps capabilities and a SIM card are certainly tracked down. Why would it be limited to electric drivetrain cars only? There’s no GPS in the motors… It’s in the head unit
This echoes my thought. A friend of mine had a petrol driven Golf from like 2019 or so with an app he could use to access it. I think it had a GPS built in, so I don’t see why VW wouldn’t have been able to record that.
Car manufacturers don’t face nearly enough scrutiny or regulation as they ought.
Very powerful lobby in a lot of countries.
Pretty much all objects with Internet connections that aren’t running FOSS top-to-bottom.
hahahaha toldya x50
Is there a company yet that let’s me pay them to internet disconnect and rip out sensors on a modern car?
I recognize that its a tricky process, but since the Mozilla report, it seems like there’s a market for it. I’d happily pay $5k for a privacy-mod to an electric vehicle.
You misspelled: “I will happily re-elect and maybe donate to someone that will vote against this bullshit use of people’s data.”
Edit: my point is no one should be subject to this BS regardless of how much they can pay.
No
I don’t want this data to exist
That’s different from controlling use
Either way, it’s better not to force people to pay to keep their privacy.
Money votes better, it’s 2024.
Das Dumbass
I am so glad my car was made just before all this massive enshittification.
For your own good, boy
Somebody made it public explicitly because S3 buckets are private by default. So I guess some of their components needed to be able to read it and they didn’t have the skills or time/money to do it in a more fine-grained way.
