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A woman who mailed then-President Trump a threatening letter that contained ricin weeks before the 2020 election was sentenced to 262 months in prison on Thursday, the Department of Justice announced.
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Honestly, good.
You think trump’s fans are being bad now, bad back then. Just think of what would’ve happened if they got to Matyr him.
If he’s to die, it should be rotting in prison for the crimes he’s committed.
If he dies of a heart attack or something before trial, his supporters will insufferably claim nothing was ever proven and will act like he’s some sort of conservative JFK and demand airports be named after him.
Or they might deny his death outright and vote for him anyway
If he dies and he wins the vote, who gets the presidency? Do we T.Jefferson it: 2nd place is the new winner? Am. History was too long ago for me.
Weekend at Mar a Lago
Or claim that he was poisoned by the deep state.
ETA: Fuck this lady. She makes everyone who isn’t a MAGA shithead look bad. I want her locked up.
Why do we name airports in honor of people? Airports suck. We should name airports after bad people as punishment. “Yeah, it’s a great house but it’s in the flight path of Andy Dick International Airport.” “They lost my luggage at Cosby Field.” “I had a 6 hour layover at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport.”
Many people love airports. Especially aviators.
If he died, there would’ve been a few shootings here and there but the movement would’ve died out rather quickly.
Basically business as normal then.
People say this a lot but honestly I don’t think he’d become a martyr if he died. I don’t condone assassination attempts obviously, but the key to a proper martyrdom is the people supporting you have to actually believe in what you stand for, and have to be loyal and dedicated. People who root for Trump don’t actually care about him or his policies, they just swallowed a bunch of propaganda, and are rooting more against the team they don’t like. We’ve already seen how quickly people drop Trump when he’s not their golden goose anymore. If he died, there’d be no point in following him if he isn’t spouting off buzzwords and dogwhistles constantly anymore. They’d just move on to the next guy who doesn’t like immigration or the gays. I mean, it’s not like anyone calls Hitler a martyr, or any other authoritarian dictators that have died in the past. A martyr has to be someone who inspires people beyond their death, and brings attention to a particular issue. Trump doesn’t inspire anyone, he’s just a convenient figurehead to rally behind.
Very astute.
Nah, they’re gonna be maximally awful no matter what.
Good. This woman could have sickened not only her target, but anyone who came in contact with what she sent. While I share her politics, hate makes monsters of us all, and she crossed the line. While I don’t think the “there are good people on both sides” argument holds much water, actions like hers remind me that there are definitely bad people on both sides.
Good men have to do bad things to make the world a better place.
Every time I come upon that dynamic in real life, it’s always turned out to be the wrong decision. The ends may justify the means, but the means defines the ends.
Tell that to the men who fought the Civil War and burnt down the south to free my ancestors.
I would, many of them are my ancestors (both sides of the conflict, and some freed by it). And the results were horrifying, even if the means were justified by the evil of slavery (which was a far greater evil than what was inflicted on the Confederates).
Sherman’s march made martyrs of the Confederate cause, and those that weren’t martyrs turned around and started the KKK, using Union brutality as a rallying cry, and the political backlash derailed Reconstruction with Jim Crow laws.
The means defined the end result, which we’re still dealing with today in the form of MAGA.
This is the dynamic I speak of. I don’t believe fighting evil is the wrong decision, but per Sun Tzu:
To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting.
Had a peaceful solution been worked out, or a surrender negotiated before the razing of the Georgia countryside, I believe that Reconstruction would have been a success. Needless to say, those were unrealistic options at the time, so I do not fault my ancestors (those that fought on the winning side) for the choices they had to make. But those destructive actions led to more evil - driven underground - hiding until recent years, and still potent enough to affect our political discourse today.
would, many of them are my ancestors (both sides of the conflict, and some freed by it). And the results were horrifying, even if the means were justified by the evil of slavery (which was a far greater evil than what was inflicted on the Confederates).
Then you have no room to bitch and you thinking you can support a position so vile makes you not one of us, but just some fascist pretending to be. No actual Black person thinks that way. You are a cynically hateful racist by pretending to be one of us thinking it will legitimize your horrifying position.
Sherman’s march made martyrs of the Confederate cause, and those that weren’t martyrs turned around and started the KKK, using Union brutality as a rallying cry, and the political backlash derailed Reconstruction with Jim Crow laws.
Imagine blaming the Civil War for the KKK and not.m the actions of a group of people determined to keep slavery no matter what. Imagine not thinking they would have done what they did subsequently regardless.
The means defined the end result, which we’re still dealing with today in the form of MAGA.
Nope, it was their choice to try to undermine democracy to bring back slavery, and theirs alone. The moral responsibility to accept what they believe and do was wrong was solely on them, but they didn’t.
This is the dynamic I speak of. I don’t believe fighting evil is the wrong decision, but per Sun Tzu:
And once again you completely misinterpret history to fulfill a political agenda. Sun Tzu wasn’t just talking about peaceful solutions. He was talking about intimidating opponents into surrendering, usually with overwhelming shows of force, to stop further bloodshed, which Sherman did with his campaign and the U.S. did by nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki almost a century later.
Had a peaceful solution been worked out, or a surrender negotiated before the razing of the Georgia countryside, I believe that Reconstruction would have been a success.
And that’s you showing you’re here in bad faith. That never would have happened because the South chose to fight and die for slavery, because for them white supremacy is a part of their culture. There never would have been peace without a resounding defeat and intimidation to surrender. They and they alone chose to be that way. The rest of the U.S. didn’t.
That kind of sick slavery apologia is why we reject that kind of “ends never justify the means” moral outlook and why we look at the reality of a situation before passing judgement.
Racist alt-right dipshit. As if we haven’t seen your ilk pretending to be different races to win arguments before. 🤦
You really need to work on your reading comprehension skills. You just demonstrated the same unreasonable hate as the woman in the article, and it’s led you to completely misinterpret what I’m saying, as other commenters have pointed out.
Because you let your hate drive this misinterpretation, none of your points were valid, and you come off looking like an idiot who can’t read.
On top of which, attacking my race and my family’s personal experience is the worst kind of straw man gatekeeping possible. Normally I wouldn’t downvote someone disagreeing with me, but straight up fuck off - you have no idea who I am or what my experience is. I engaged your comment in good faith, and you decided throw insults. Grow up and learn to act like an adult.
Wow, you’re actually unhinged with the personal attacks. They never said burning the South wasn’t justified at the time (they said the opposite). They pretty much only pointed out that certain means may carry unintended consequences to be aware of before engaging in such means. They ain’t blaming anyone. Where’s the racism/fascism in that?
No, they disarmed you by lying about their position and then went on to argue why they felt it was unjustified. Like all dumbass raciste masquerading as Black people to push their evil sophistry.
You understand without the Civil War I’d have likely been shot in the fields, mutilated to break me or turned into some kind of comfort girl or something, right?
When is it okay to just admit that some people are evil and those that are choose and want to be that way?
When do we ever get to label people as such?
Never?
Then you are evil yourself, and this conversation need not happen. Goodbye.
That kind of sick slavery apologia is why we reject that kind of “ends never justify the means” moral outlook and why we look at the reality of a situation before passing judgement.
I know you’re running hot after that one, but - didn’t you mean “we reject … ends
neverjustify the means”?Wait no, I just read back the thread again. You’re saying that Sherman’s march was justified, because it was pivotal in ending the Civil War with a Union win, and by extension, ending slavery in the US.
No. Sherman’s march was not justified. It was horrible and cruel. When he decided to do it, and continue it, he lacked the hindsight that we enjoy. He could make some shorter term predictions, but nothing like being certain that it was necessary to end the war.
“But if it hadn’t happened, or had failed, then the war may have turned out another way.” That’s an absurd thought experiment, because it didn’t happen any other way. There is no “if.”
The march happened, it was bad, historians now (with the benefit of hindsight) can point to the effects it did have (and historians don’t always agree on everything or have complete and accurate information), the North won, slavery ended, which was good.
If the future ends justify the present means, that is license for anyone to do anything, with a clear conscience. And you never ever have to get to the stated end, even if it is your sincere belief, and even if your belief is in an empirically good thing.
I know you’re running hot after that one, but -
We can soundly dismiss you based on the tone policing alone. Bye
No, absolutely fucking no. The ends do not and cannot justify the means.
Hate to do Godwins Law but the Allies brought death and destruction to destroy the reign of the Third Reich and I believe that we all know that was a good outcome.
See my comment here for why the ends can never justify the means. I’m happy to discuss at any length, but that’s where I would start.
That’s not a case of the ends justifying the means. Allied, offensive, strategic bombing was itself just, not because of what came after, but because of what came before.
Killing a bunch of staffers with ricin in an envelope that would never have gotten to Trump is not making the world a better place.
Funny, that’s exactly what they say
Who watches the watchmen?
Doing bad things to make the world a better place is an oxymoronic sentence.
I hate to do the Godwins Law but the Allies have brought down death and destruction to the reign of the Third Reich. Sherman let loose the dogs of war on the South to bring freedom to the slaves. I believe we all know that they brought good outcomes.
Who started those conflicts? Cause it wasn’t the allies or Sherman. Reacting to bad is not the same as doing bad.
But doing bad things as a reaction is what I’m getting at.
In what world is preventing authoritarian governments from expanding their power and committing genocides, or fighting to free slaves, doing bad things? Those conflicts were started by someone else doing bad things, and the reaction was to stop those people from continuing to do bad things.
And just regular moronic.
There definitely is good people, you might not have met them, you are extremely disposed to not meet them and that is OK, hang around with people you want to, learned that myself not too long ago. You may have likely talked or interacted friendly with a (former) supporter.
I myself am not much invested, people’s hate of trump is weird given he ultimately did not even do much, like most presidents, but for me it is just stuff that can be felt outside US I dunno did california implode or did he personally appoint and send the floyd cop out or something. US for sure does not have a big beautiful mexico wall.
… he ultimately did not even do much …
He did a lot of things. Bad things.
To be fair, I don’t actually believe there are good and bad people (we’re all a mix), and I agree with you that there are people who do good who are Trumpers (I’m a small town boy, so I grew up with a lot of them).
From a personal standpoint, the effect Trump had on California was significant and frightening, especially as a member of a mixed race family. It was real fun having to explain to my teenager why we were being followed by a Trump convoy on the freeway screaming the N word out the window. It fucking terrified both of us, as this had happened right after the bus got run off the road in Texas, and these guys clearly thought Trump had given the go ahead to go Mad Max on the libs.
From an economic standpoint, his immigration policies did real harm - my friends in the wine business had to leave grapes rotting on the vine because they were suddenly short workers (similar to what Florida is experiencing now). 70% + of international business on the west coast is with China, and he started a trade war that benefited no one, which really pissed off my techbro colleagues in e-commerce. The reason your taxes and mine went up this year is because of the package he passed while President, while permanently cutting taxes for the ultra-wealthy.
On top of that, the evil bastard put over 500,000 kids behind bars - many of whom are the extended family of my neighbors and co-workers, just trying to escape the cartel violence in Mexico.
So yes, there was a significant negative effect on California when Trump was elected. And while I can accept that people who support him are capable of good things, their support of him is definitely not one of them, and more than worthy of derision. Not murderous hate, however.
You left out all the COVID deaths.
That and many, many, many other things, but I decided to focus on the kids in cages for this particular argument so that I didn’t end up writing 20 pages.
Fair enough.
people’s hate of trump is weird given he ultimately did not even do much
Here’s the thing, at the start of his presidency even i was like “In reality he can’t do as much as President as people think he can”
Then the insurrection and stolen documents happened. You really should’ve given up this stance by now if you ever truly believed in it.
Bro, I’m sorry, but if you don’t think Trump did much then you might be fucking blind and deaf. He incited a fucking insurrection dude, he’s currently in court for multiple indictments.
Particularly relevant username.
Good lookin’ out!
It’s a dirty job but someone’s gotta do it.
She deserves it, what a maroon!
Imagine thinking Donald Trump opens and reads his own mail! He has people who Cat-in-the-Hat those hard words for him.
Idiocy like that is too dangerous to be on the streets.
Yeah seriously. I straight up think Trump deserves the death penalty, but doing this is psychopathy, nothing more. It will only kill some random mail handling clerk trying to scrape enough to feed their family, not anyone remotely involved with the fascism you claim to be against.
I always wondered why we don’t hear about assassination attempts more often. I bet the secret service et. al. have their work cut out for them on that front.
If it was a successful attempt by agent 47 the headline would be like “antique lavish chandelier falls upon Trump in freak accident at fundraising event in Mar-A-Lago. No foul play suspected, say police”
If it’s in russia, the headline would read “[Name] fell from window and is yet another random victim in the string of freak window-related fall deaths.”
“We are saddened to hear about [Name] committing suicide by shooting himself twice in the back of the head with a silenced pistol and then throwing himself off a roof”
Phew we almost had an original comment chain there
We have no proof that reddit was behind this, but we don’t have any doubts, either.
If I’m playing it’s more like “String of Bizarre Accidents Leave 16 Dead at Mar-A-Lago, Including President”
Good. I despise Trump, and look forward to seeing him and all of his crooked cronies behind bars. However, nobody has any right to threaten or attempt to harm anyone. This imbecile deserves the full weight of the law just like all of these morons threatening the judges and prosecutors overseeing Trump’s now numerous indictments.
Notice the difference here folks.
Someone tries to attack a Republican politician and they throw the book at her (and rightfully so, that’s not how you should handle these things).
What happens when Republicans are the criminals and attack the capitol? They get a slap on the wrists. These J6 traitors should be facing 10 or 20 years in prison like the twat in the story, but of course Democrats are too cowardly to ever set some severe punishments.
The legislative branch makes laws, the judicial branch applies them. Hope this clears things up.
You have Democrats and Republicans at all branches of government. I hope that clears things up for you.
I’d love to see a breakdown of political party membership between the branches of government (including law enforcement under the executive branch).
Observe as absolutely no democrats leap to her defense because they’re plenty of things but not terrorists.
It’s always crazy to me that someone would risk so many people like that - poison doesn’t care who it kills, and anyone from postal workers to mail sorters to trump’s secretary could have gotten seriously injured or killed. Just crazy irresponsible and dangerous.
Wow, it seems smart to figure out how to make ricin but dumb to mail it to a sitting president.
Now that I think about it for a second, maybe it’s not that hard to make? I guess I’ve never bothered to look because I kinda don’t want to make or have ricin? Crazy, I know.
I’d google it but, don’t really want that in my search history.
IIRC from when someone tried to mail ricin to Obama back when he was president its from crushed up castor bean powder
Cognitohazard detected
Effect: Makes the FBI raid your house if you investigate further
The Feds know not to raid me as I’ve already trained my pet Wendigo the tastes of human flesh.
Ricin comes from castor beans as a byproduct of processing the beans. So it’s not hard to get a hold of, anyone can make it. But it’s not very subtle since it has a reputation. It’s not likely to sneak in under the radar when it comes to a potus, since they’d undoubtedly have preventative measures in place. Someone tried to send Obama ricin in the mail as well in the past, so they’ve certainly dealt with it before.
Even if they didn’t have anything in them, it’s not like the president sits around opening letters.
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If she made the sender out to be Kim Jong Il, Trump would’ve probably licked the letter.
Don’t do that. Just don’t. If someone kills him now, we will never see him rot in prison!
Worse; if somebody kills him it’ll make him a martyr. He’s already looked at as an evil Jesus by these lunatics - there’s no need to encourage the legitimatization of their insane Cult.
What a shame.
Guess it’s just a myth that Canadians are polite.
Trailer Park Boys and Letterkenny are much more accurate depictions of Canadians
Probably the French half.
Up-country Degens.
I’m glad she was caught and is being properly charged for her crimes.
