That’s from Waits’ stage adaptation of the famous German unfinished manuscript Woyzeck (Voy-chek), it was a song from act 1 setting the scene in which a working class man would be toyed with and experimented on by high society and the army, driven to madness and killing his wife and himself.
I don’t know details of this, but when the lawyer had a press conference announcing info the first 100 lawsuits, he mentioned that a lot of the crimes were reported to authorities at the time, but for whatever reason, the crimes weren’t pursued.
I chose to use the word authorities and not cops specifically because it isn’t just cops that don’t care about the wellbeing of women. It’s incredibly frustrating for that to be the case in the year 2024, but it’s true.
If you read the article, the alleged victim says she went to the VMAs without a ticket and started asking limo drivers if she could get into an afterparty. Diddy’s driver said she looked like what Diddy wanted.
The allegations are that she was hanging out by the stage door after a show. Maybe she wanted an autograph or to meet her idol? But even if she specifically sought out these men because she wanted to have sex with them, and even if her parents were wildly irresponsible, there is no excuse for drugging and raping a child.
Many rape victims don’t come forward until others do, if at all.
Going up against a couple of billionaire child-rapists isn’t likely to get you anything other than slut-shamed at best. These are powerful people who can have you disappeared.
My understanding is that people in the industry did speak to each other about it but these media hos ain’t gonna ruin their careers over some child being raped.
me man i love dunking on white cucks like the next person but but this is not race issue here. this is class issue. why do you keep trying to rope in color here…
we got rich white and black pedos doing this… likely to poor children who are whatever race.
most rockers were pedos and they white… most rappers are black but they are also pedos?
“These allegations are so heinous in nature that I implore you to file a criminal complaint, not a civil one!! Whomever would commit such a crime against a minor should be locked away, would you not agree?” Carter said in a statement to NBC News. “These alleged victims would deserve real justice if that were the case.”
Burden of proof is much higher in a criminal case. It’s very hard to prosecute people for crimes that occurred 20+ years ago, but with a civil suit they are probably hoping for a settlement. Based on his statement, sounds like that’s not going to happen.
Diddy was affiliated with every rapper in NYC back then. I don’t think we can assume that everyone who ever associated with him shared his predelictions.
I think Jay probably got looped in on the lawsuit because they know he was at the party and he is filthy rich.
Going to bat for an accused rapist you have never met. Jay Z has made two albums with R-Kelly and toured with him immediately before his crimes came to light publicly. Dated Foxy underage, Bey likely underage. Those two and Rihanna all hanging around with them underage. Long standing links with Diddy. The idea that there’s this much smoke and no fire is hard to believe. He would have been surrounded by sketchy shit constantly while in many ways becoming the most successful in that environment. If anyone could have spoken out it was him - he didn’t.
That’s all random hearsay, it literally counts for nothing legally. Jay Z came from the ghetto, I’m sure he has done plenty of sketchy shit in his time.
But like why do you seem to think Diddy and R Kelly were going around bragging about their sexual perversions? They were coworkers in the same industry; I’m sure I have plenty of coworkers who have done heinous shit in their personal lives as well. But that doesn’t even remotely imply that I knew about it or was a part of it.
I don’t think there is very much smoke at all, I haven’t really heard any major accusations about Jay aside from this one. But also you’re falling right into the trap. They would plan to accuse him because they know random people are going to use the heuristic of “where there’s smoke there’s fire”, and generally assume that he is guilty without even a shred of evidence. They know people will see Jay Z and Diddy in the same headline about sexual assault and that’s the only piece of information they’ll remember from the whole article, assuming they even bother to read it. I’m going to bat for due process and common sense, two things which are in increasingly short supply nowadays.
Not jumping up conclusions to confirm your own biases and assumptions is not naive, and the fact that you care more about whose “team” someone is on, than whether an accusation about them is actually true, exposes you as lacking integrity and real values, and not caring about actual justice.
As if the comment itself wasn’t cringy enough, imagining how clever you thought you were while writing something so off-the-charts smug and condescending just magnifies it exponentially.
What makes an adult man defend another adilt man who is accused of being a pedphile and who is associated with another pedophile held on charges of traffic?
Because a criminal trial is an all-or-nothing charge, and if you fail to convince 1 juror, Jay-Z gets zero punishment for raping a 13 year old. Your odds of winning a civil trial over rape is much higher, and even if the defendant puts up a good case, you won’t walk away empty handed.
You can do both a criminal and a civil charge. Failing to convict on a criminal charge doesn’t mean a civil case will go the same way. See OJ for example.
How is this not a criminal charge…
I feel like going civil route is diluting the gravity of what actually went down.
Where did they find 13 year old to rape?
Where are fucking parents of these children?
Between CEO getting executed and another elite child rapist… Who fucking rules us?
Sociopaths mostly I’d say.
There’s a great Tom Waits song called God’s away on business with some pertinent lyrics:
Great song btw.
That’s from Waits’ stage adaptation of the famous German unfinished manuscript Woyzeck (Voy-chek), it was a song from act 1 setting the scene in which a working class man would be toyed with and experimented on by high society and the army, driven to madness and killing his wife and himself.
I don’t know details of this, but when the lawyer had a press conference announcing info the first 100 lawsuits, he mentioned that a lot of the crimes were reported to authorities at the time, but for whatever reason, the crimes weren’t pursued.
Oh I can tell you why.
Cops don’t give a shit.
Bingo.
I chose to use the word authorities and not cops specifically because it isn’t just cops that don’t care about the wellbeing of women. It’s incredibly frustrating for that to be the case in the year 2024, but it’s true.
Cops don’t decide charges. Prosecutors do
If you read the article, the alleged victim says she went to the VMAs without a ticket and started asking limo drivers if she could get into an afterparty. Diddy’s driver said she looked like what Diddy wanted.
The allegations are that she was hanging out by the stage door after a show. Maybe she wanted an autograph or to meet her idol? But even if she specifically sought out these men because she wanted to have sex with them, and even if her parents were wildly irresponsible, there is no excuse for drugging and raping a child.
You forgot another question: why nobody said shit in the past 24 years?
Many rape victims don’t come forward until others do, if at all.
Going up against a couple of billionaire child-rapists isn’t likely to get you anything other than slut-shamed at best. These are powerful people who can have you disappeared.
Not the victims the ones who went to these parties
My understanding is that people in the industry did speak to each other about it but these media hos ain’t gonna ruin their careers over some child being raped.
WTF did you expect?
People are assuming that was the only child getting raped at this party.
Only apologist would assume that… These people clearly were doing this on the reg.
Plus we know limo drivers procured groupies for them.
Did Charlie sheen rape some kid in a limo?
No, he can’t have done. He’s white so he had a “historical abuse incident”.
With Corey Haim if Corey Feldman is to be believed. Which he should be.
me man i love dunking on white cucks like the next person but but this is not race issue here. this is class issue. why do you keep trying to rope in color here…
we got rich white and black pedos doing this… likely to poor children who are whatever race.
most rockers were pedos and they white… most rappers are black but they are also pedos?
hmm…
Jay agrees:
Yeah becuase he knows it can’t be proven beyond reasonable doubt now and the has money to fight it.
They did get a conviction v Weinstein though.
Was that intentional?
Oof.
Burden of proof is much higher in a criminal case. It’s very hard to prosecute people for crimes that occurred 20+ years ago, but with a civil suit they are probably hoping for a settlement. Based on his statement, sounds like that’s not going to happen.
And that’s why crimes should be reported when they happen so proper evidence is collected.
I deff think Jay z did due to Diddy affiliation but this is he said, she said now.
Diddy was affiliated with every rapper in NYC back then. I don’t think we can assume that everyone who ever associated with him shared his predelictions.
I think Jay probably got looped in on the lawsuit because they know he was at the party and he is filthy rich.
Going to bat for an accused rapist you have never met. Jay Z has made two albums with R-Kelly and toured with him immediately before his crimes came to light publicly. Dated Foxy underage, Bey likely underage. Those two and Rihanna all hanging around with them underage. Long standing links with Diddy. The idea that there’s this much smoke and no fire is hard to believe. He would have been surrounded by sketchy shit constantly while in many ways becoming the most successful in that environment. If anyone could have spoken out it was him - he didn’t.
That’s all random hearsay, it literally counts for nothing legally. Jay Z came from the ghetto, I’m sure he has done plenty of sketchy shit in his time.
But like why do you seem to think Diddy and R Kelly were going around bragging about their sexual perversions? They were coworkers in the same industry; I’m sure I have plenty of coworkers who have done heinous shit in their personal lives as well. But that doesn’t even remotely imply that I knew about it or was a part of it.
I don’t think there is very much smoke at all, I haven’t really heard any major accusations about Jay aside from this one. But also you’re falling right into the trap. They would plan to accuse him because they know random people are going to use the heuristic of “where there’s smoke there’s fire”, and generally assume that he is guilty without even a shred of evidence. They know people will see Jay Z and Diddy in the same headline about sexual assault and that’s the only piece of information they’ll remember from the whole article, assuming they even bother to read it. I’m going to bat for due process and common sense, two things which are in increasingly short supply nowadays.
Naive but you are entitled to your opinion and society will make their own judgements.
The beauty here is this lapring is about donr and plebs are ready with pitch forks for pedos celebs and parasitic executives.
You are spending a lot of time trying to defend some rich old pedo.
Why do you care anyway?
He ain’t on working class team at all.
Not jumping up conclusions to confirm your own biases and assumptions is not naive, and the fact that you care more about whose “team” someone is on, than whether an accusation about them is actually true, exposes you as lacking integrity and real values, and not caring about actual justice.
It is a class war mate…
Lapring for a rich pedophile celebrity is not
Pathetic, get a clue
The allegations are that J raped her and then Diddy raped her while an unnamed female celebrity watched.
That’s exactly what I am assuming going forward though.
These celebrities don’t deserve any deference, they over stayed their welcome in the public sphere and somebody is disposing of them.
It looks like they are all compromised though. So fuck 'em.
Lol okay champ. Impeccable critical thinking skills.
FAFO… The clowns are entering FO stage as society is turning on them.
They let pedos exist among them, they are all pedos to me now.
Gonna be a open safari on them in US the way things are going along with corporate executives haha
And hopefully you’ll realize sooner than later that this is a flaw, not a virtue.
Assuming guilt just because it confirms your biases is something you should be ashamed to have done.
I don’t humanize rich parasites, sweetie…
As if the comment itself wasn’t cringy enough, imagining how clever you thought you were while writing something so off-the-charts smug and condescending just magnifies it exponentially.
Grow up.
Trolling seems pretty routine for you.
What makes an adult man defend another adilt man who is accused of being a pedphile and who is associated with another pedophile held on charges of traffic?
Because a criminal trial is an all-or-nothing charge, and if you fail to convince 1 juror, Jay-Z gets zero punishment for raping a 13 year old. Your odds of winning a civil trial over rape is much higher, and even if the defendant puts up a good case, you won’t walk away empty handed.
You can do both a criminal and a civil charge. Failing to convict on a criminal charge doesn’t mean a civil case will go the same way. See OJ for example.
The statute of limitations is likely over
In thought that child abuse is exempt from it
Statutes vary wildly by state, with the exception of murder.
In fairness he did say it was “fake physics”