Spread the word and they’ll try to get rid of you. Negotiate for yourself. Not everyone is worth more and some people actually prefer to stay on government subsidies like SNAP, and HEAP.
Negotiate alone with what leverage? We are all replaceable. As soon as they figure out it’s just you, they will fire you and pick someone else from the hundreds of thousands who have an equivalent skill set.
If you can’t negotiate your pay in a non-union job, then you’re not worth more pay and you should stop deceiving yourself.
You mention ‘skill set’. There are far more valuable qualities to employees like reliability, dedication, how well liked you are, etc etc. Somone not realizing this indicates a lack of value as an employee.
Yeah, all those qualities are a basic requirement to get a job. I have never worked with someone who didn’t have those qualities. There not something you can leverage to get a raise.
They lead to higher wages, job security, better benefits, and better PTO/sick days. In every respect, in general, a union job is better for the worker than a non union job.
They lead to companies being forced to keep horrible employees that cost them money and pay them more than they’d otherwise need to. You could have negotiated better pay for yourself, but you want to keep leech employees around. They also can cause the closure of businesses (the opposite of job security). Sick time shouldn’t be a thing. No one should be incentivized to call in sick, and that costs the company money which again comes out of what you could have negotiated for yourself.
Posting a bunch of union propaganda doesn’t change the fact that they only serve themselves.
They lead to companies being forced to keep horrible employees that cost them money
I don’t care.
and pay them more than they’d otherwise need to.
Good, that’s the fucking point.
You could have negotiated better pay for yourself
You can’t, which is why unions have higher pay.
Sick time shouldn’t be a thing. No one should be incentivized to call in sick, and that costs the company money
Are you a troll, or are you genuinely this backwards?
Posting a bunch of union propaganda doesn’t change the fact that they only serve themselves.
My dude, this is all of the sources showing that they’re better jobs. It’s the government, corporate media, scientific research, all coming to the same conclusion. It ain’t propaganda.
I’m 53 years old. I’ve had an equal amount of union and non union jobs. Union jobs SUCK for good workers.
How to pay workers less than minimum wage? - unions! How to keep a drug addicts job so they can endanger their co-workers? -Unions.
There’s nothing stopping unions from allowing your boss to pay you minimum while they take ‘dues’ from you. Nothing is stopping unions from being as corrupt as employers.
Then negotiate. But don’t do anything to make the negotiation favorable to you and don’t do anything to prevent the other party from making the negotiation favorable to them.
Wtf do you think negotiation is?
This opinion is cousin to “then vote with your wallet, but if you boycott anything then you’re woke”
And sibling to “the free market is best, except people shouldn’t be free to organize against corporations”
Spread the word and they’ll try to get rid of you. Negotiate for yourself. Not everyone is worth more and some people actually prefer to stay on government subsidies like SNAP, and HEAP.
Negotiate alone with what leverage? We are all replaceable. As soon as they figure out it’s just you, they will fire you and pick someone else from the hundreds of thousands who have an equivalent skill set.
If you can’t negotiate your pay in a non-union job, then you’re not worth more pay and you should stop deceiving yourself.
You mention ‘skill set’. There are far more valuable qualities to employees like reliability, dedication, how well liked you are, etc etc. Somone not realizing this indicates a lack of value as an employee.
Deceiving myself about what?
Yeah, all those qualities are a basic requirement to get a job. I have never worked with someone who didn’t have those qualities. There not something you can leverage to get a raise.
Absolute braindead take. Spoken like a nepobaby or a child who has never worked.
Negotiation almost de facto requires group effort, or a union. The only time negotiation works outside of that is edge cases.
Unions only help themselves. If you failed at negotiating; you over value yourself.
That’s utter bullshit.
https://www.afscme.org/blog/the-union-difference-in-wages-18-higher-pay-if-you-belong-to-a-union
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/27/labor-unions-winning-better-pay-hours.html
https://www.nber.org/digest/digestsep18/new-evidence-unions-raise-wages-less-skilled-workers
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-30/us-union-members-see-record-pay-raises-outpace-nonunion-workers
https://www.axios.com/2024/03/20/union-workers-wealth-comparison-pay-difference
https://www.epi.org/publication/union-workers-had-more-job-security-during-the-pandemic-but-unionization-remains-historically-low-data-on-union-representation-in-2020-reinforce-the-need-for-dismantling-barriers-to-union-organizing/
https://southfloridaclc.org/index.php/labor-unions-pure-pro-no-cons-2/unions-and-job-security-a-lasting-relationship
https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/general/labortaskforce/docs/WORK-fs-DOL-Unions-v6.pdf
https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2021/article/employee-access-to-sick-leave.htm
https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2019/union-workers-more-likely-than-nonunion-workers-to-have-healthcare-benefits-in-2019.htm
They lead to higher wages, job security, better benefits, and better PTO/sick days. In every respect, in general, a union job is better for the worker than a non union job.
They lead to companies being forced to keep horrible employees that cost them money and pay them more than they’d otherwise need to. You could have negotiated better pay for yourself, but you want to keep leech employees around. They also can cause the closure of businesses (the opposite of job security). Sick time shouldn’t be a thing. No one should be incentivized to call in sick, and that costs the company money which again comes out of what you could have negotiated for yourself.
Posting a bunch of union propaganda doesn’t change the fact that they only serve themselves.
I don’t care.
Good, that’s the fucking point.
You can’t, which is why unions have higher pay.
Are you a troll, or are you genuinely this backwards?
My dude, this is all of the sources showing that they’re better jobs. It’s the government, corporate media, scientific research, all coming to the same conclusion. It ain’t propaganda.
I’m 53 years old. I’ve had an equal amount of union and non union jobs. Union jobs SUCK for good workers. How to pay workers less than minimum wage? - unions! How to keep a drug addicts job so they can endanger their co-workers? -Unions.
There’s nothing stopping unions from allowing your boss to pay you minimum while they take ‘dues’ from you. Nothing is stopping unions from being as corrupt as employers.
The data betrays your conclusion.
https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w27720/w27720.pdf
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167268122003249
Unions aren’t mandatory. There is no taking. Given such a fundamental lack of understanding on that front really makes me doubt your story.
Yes there is, there’s the union elections and the consent required for participation.
Statistics are used by propagandists.
Union reps are almost always the worst employees. Good employees don’t tend to want to bother with union crap.
It’s wild how you’re like
Wtf do you think negotiation is?
This opinion is cousin to “then vote with your wallet, but if you boycott anything then you’re woke”
And sibling to “the free market is best, except people shouldn’t be free to organize against corporations”
Said like a real chump.
Earning more is always better.