This has been a long standing conspiracy theory amongst right wing talk show hosts and other people. Basically the claim is that FEMA will imprison lots of people especially those with far right views using a emergency as a pretext. This conspiracy theory has been widely debunked already.
The interesting thing is now something like the conspiracy theory may happen in real life except ran by ICE instead of FEMA. I’m curious how people who previously propagated this conspiracy theory feel about Trump’s plan for a mass deportation. If you know anyone who’s into this conspiracy theory would you be able to ask them their thoughts on the FEMA camps and then bring up Trump’s mass deportation plan. I’m curious how’d they’d react. Let’s not assume because everyone is different. While trying to research this question I found one article from the right that showed deep concern about Trump’s plan: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/nov/20/deep-state-wants-terminate-constitution/ but I can’t really find much information otherwise.
The people who hated FEMA were afraid it would harm people that look like them and think ICE will harm people that don’t look like them. That makes FEMA bad and ICE good in their hate filled minds.
That makes FEMA bad and ICE good in their hate filled minds
Humans are animals…
We need socialized at a young age so our ingroup/outgroup doesn’t form along racial lines.
If it does, it can be overcome with logic, but that takes constant effort, and as we age our minds go on “autopilot” more day to day, which is why old people who grew up pre-civil rights movement “become” racist as they age. Or after drinking or sleeping aids.
For them it’s a conscious effort to remember “they” are really “us”.
This isn’t my opinion or something I’m guessing at, it’s actual psychology.
Like, people laugh at Alabama being so backwards for banning Sesame Street when it became racially inclusive, and they get called paranoid for calling it “brainwashing” but even just seeing people of different ethnicities on TV is enough to blur the line for their entire lives. Banning it helped prolong the next generations forming their in/out groups along racial lines.
I swear to God only the fascist option paying attention to science is the most maddening part of this.
Their voters are idiots, their politicians are idiots, but the people calling the shots aren’t idiots.
If you’re reducing them to “hate filled minds” then history will keep fucking repeating like it always does.
And it’s fucking getting old to have fascists keep showing up.
So I stead of imitating them and dehumanizing them, how about we do something with a snowballs chance in hell of working?
I honestly think it’s lead exposure…There was lead all over until 1978. Baby boomers had this shit everywhere around them, and no surprise, they have chronic issues. I feel like many baby boomers really struggle with empathy… most seem angry at a base level.
You think they’re the only ones with lead poisoning?!
You could be born today and still quickly accumulate enough lead to cause effects, especially living in a city because plants can soak up lead too. If it’s all concrete, that lead just keeps moving around till something alive picks it up.
You have explained a key part of the urban vs. rural divide. My kids are so “race blind” I have to make a concerted effort to teach them about all types of racism, direct through to institutional. Also euality vs. equity etc. It’s way easier to teach them about income inequality.
I totally get what you mean! They think the cruelty is the point and it will never happen to me or my family/friends so I don’t care.
They don’t hate the idea of concentration camps. In fact, they like them if they’re for the people they’ve been trained to hate.
You’re right. I hope that maybe this could lead to a conversation about why putting people into camps is a bad idea. In my head I imagine starting a conversation with a conservative and they say why the FEMA camps are a bad idea then you could say how do you feel if you were put in one. Now ask how you’d think immigrants would feel when put in a camp. In reality things may not go how I imagine.
You’re relying on the right to be empathetic to immigrants, which they are not. Like not even a little, ever.
Because you’re assuming everyone thinks the same, so what would convince you would convince anyone else.
That isn’t true.
For sure people think differently. I agree when having a discussion with someone it’s important to learn how they think.
I must tell you I used to be on the right, I used to support Trump actually. Part of what made me more sympathetic to immigrants is meeting some and they told me their struggles and I gained empathy for their struggles and how difficult the system is.
bold of you to assume those that want immigrants in camps think immigrants are people
Always accuse your enemy of that which you are guilty
So the chances are pretty high that they absolutely love it
Makes you wonder about all of their claims of stolen elections.
it allows them to have it both ways. if they lose they can claim fraud and cause problems, possibly whip people into sedition. Should they do the fraud then their own previous lies make your accusations lesser since they have “saturated” the concept and everyone is sick of hearing of it.
America has never had free and fair elections. And even if we wanted to change that, voter manipulation via mass and social medias and a wildly divergent educational system have destroyed the foundation of reality-based truth which is required for masses of individuals to make informed decisions and vote accordingly.
The fact of the matter is that it makes no difference if the election was “stolen” or not. What matters is how people feel, and this country literally wrote the book on propaganda and public relations. What people feel about things can be changed as easily as the script for a news report. It took less than 20 years to rehabituate the reputations of war criminals like Bush and Cheyney, and the Democrats are still seen as a left-wing party despite having moved so far to the right that they make Reagan look like a hippy.
Think? Why would they do that?
Indeed, it will overheat their little brains.
You have to keep in mind that hypocrisy is not considered a bad thing to conservatives. It doesn’t matter that they’re hurting people, as long as they’re “hurting the right people.”
Conservative mindset is inherently unequal. The ingroup gets all rewards and benefits, the outgroup gets all blame and punishment.
I keep telling all my liberal friends this. It’s a waste of time and energy to call out the Right’s hypocrisy and hang on to it like it’s some sort of trump card (no pun intended). The right does not care that they are hypocritical, in fact they actually revel in it, they find it hilarious that the left gets so worked up over it.
And they think that’s all you’re doing, because they think that’s all there is. These people think reality is a team sport.
They think the government targets them, so when the GOP get in they think it’s ok to target other people. It’s all part of the propaganda.
Nothing. They’re dumb as a brick.
They rationalize to themselves that whatever outrageous thing they used to be opposed to is just different when it’s their guy doing it.
I don’t think most people think things like this through, both liberal and conservative. For the most part they use corporate social media like Facebook, Twitter, or TikTok, and we know objectively that the algorithms feeding those users content are engineered to convince them that all of their opinions are correct (no matter how odd or outlandish) and to keep them perpetually outraged so they’ll continue to consume and click on ads. With AI proliferating, we’re now seeing the fast-tracking of false perspectives and information across the web.
Hell, for most of the last presidential election both sides were making excuses for the fact that they intended to vote for someone with clear, public, unavoidably evident cognitive decline. They didn’t think through that.
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Since they’re not interested in anything resembling objective reality. Empirical evidence is a evil conspiracy by the deep state to silence them.
The FEMA camps are real, and you’re misunderstanding the statements about ICE camps. You just don’t get the joke.
The conditioning of these selfish twats is impenetrable. If you bring anything but compassion to the table, then you’re trying to fight with their weapons and lose. If you come at them with compassion, they accuse you of being dishonest…they are the victim in their mind, period.
Fine with it because it’ll only affect brown people.
Why do right-wing people tend to portay the government as incompetent boobs EXCEPT when it’s convenient? They are too inept to do anything, except they can easily staff, coordinate and orchestrate a nation-wide roundup and subsequent detainment of tens of thousands of people.
For this conspiracy to be true, tens of thousands of Americans would already have to be in on the plan and you would see large construction projects (that are easily observed) located in each and every state. Just like the moon landing being faked, it would rely on so many people keeping the story perfectly secret, even though the scale of it would need to be breathtaking for the conspiracy to be true.
It’s a fascist propaganda technique. The enemy is both strong and weak.
My friend sent me a link to this conspiracy a couple weeks ago saying he heard about it on a right wing podcast and tried to tell me who the “Real” fascists are.
I think we should have a border that is as uncrossable as possible everywhere except the door, and at the door they just check your paperwork or help you get it if you don’t have it.
“alright can I get your papers? oh you don’t have them? alright go talk to ted he’ll get you sorted, as long as your not a criminal you’ll be an American within the day.”
as a little aside, my preference would also be to offer basically a “starter kit” for refugees and the like where you get a free apartment for like a year, assistance with stuff like food and medical costs, and your choice of a government job (DMV and such) or assistance in aquiring some other job. maybe even offer a few different locations you could choose to be moved to to start out.
That would cost an insane amount of money and be wildly politically unpopular (why do immigrants get so much help before paying a single dollar in taxes when American citizens are struggling?).
And what’s the point in blocking the entire border if anyone can become “an American within the day”?
I talking about my Ideal way of doing it, so presumably other stuff is also idealized in that scenario. the point of blocking everything but the door is not to keep people out, its to make them enter legally so we have the necessary stuff set up for them to be a citizen as fast as possible.
Fema confiscated weapons during Katrina. This is public knowledge. They aren’t trust worthy.
And for ice, it’s a tough situation because Bidens admin shouldn’t have let them in in the first place. The government caused the issue, they can fix it
No they didn’t. The chief of police of new Orleans instructed his men and the national guard to do so. FEMA has no authority to do any such thing. Then Congress signed a bill to make it illegal for that to ever happen again.
The bill: H.R.5013, S.2599
Note FEMA has no right to do anything on a states soil unless directed to by the states government. That’s why Puerto Rico had such trouble during Hurricane Maria and such. FEMA delivered resources and brought aid, but much of it sat on the runway with no dispersal instructions. So it just sat until orders eventually arrive. In some places pallets of water were sitting there months even past a year later.
The U.S. president claimed the President of Puerto Rico was an idiot at the time, which got him called a fool, as he is the President of Puerto Rico.
It may seem strange to be advised to look at Florida for answers, but Hurricane response in Florida has been used, reused, and reconstructed to make it better many times. Every state/territory should have their governor delegate someone to pull up their Hurricane response plan and compare it to their own and revise anything needed to better it for their location.
I see you’ve just met Kaboom. If your Lemmy client supports it, it would be wise to add a tag for future reference…
Not sure if Jerboa has tags, haven’t looked into it.
And if that doesn’t work, feel free to block me. I’ve blocked others plenty of times.
“Bidens shouldn’t have let it happen”. Come on. Pew research shows immigration rose, but not to some new peak. The world is going to shit due to everything.
I don’t think facts will dissuade you. So here’s a national landmark instead:
Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.
Statue of LIBERTY. Hopefully it’ll still be up & relevant in 4 years if we don’t destroy one another…
A poem on a statue isn’t law and often times isn’t good advice for all situations
